4200 RPM drive fast enough?

[JHEM]

The industry needs to implement better cooling for notebooks. I am
going to buy a laptop cooler to cool down my Dell even more, but
nothing is better than extra internal case fans for the laptops.

The industry _has_ implemented better cooling in laptops, they've stopped
using desktop processors (what you have) in them.

You're going to have transfer problems until you upgrade to a faster HD. The
Hitachi 60GB 7200 RPM HD is widely available for ~$150, my preferred source
is: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100519

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[Gogarty]

Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?

I suppose an ything will do for editing but not for capturing. I have
7200 and 5000 RPM drives on my system. Capturing on the 7200 produced
zero dropped frames. Capturing to the 5000 produced an unacceptable level
of dropped frames.

 

[C.M.German]

I suppose an ything will do for editing but not for capturing. I have
7200 and 5000 RPM drives on my system. Capturing on the 7200 produced
zero dropped frames. Capturing to the 5000 produced an unacceptable level
of dropped frames.

If I may butt in....... new to this whole thing! Is 'dropping frames' what
makes the transferred video seem to be jerking and/or breaking up when
viewed after uploading to the computer? My videos look fine but when I
upload them and 'burn' them to a disk they are jerky and often the sound
breaks up. Is this caused by the same problem you are discussing here, Disk
Speeds.... and is there a workaround?

Thanks

CM

 

[JAD]

Keep in mind, when there were no 10000 7200 5400 drives made, video editing
was being done!!!!!! Dropped frames was/is directly related to the codec in
which you use. Syncing sound has everything to do with your soundcards
internal clock rather than a harddrive speed.

 

[JAD]

what software and how are you 'burning them to disk? If heavy
compression is used, jerky video can result. Very little to do with
drive RPM.

 

[Donald Link]

Imagine what a 7200 rpm would do also. There are 10000 rpm advailable
but not an option for us moderate priced individuals. Soon and
probably sooner than you can imagine they will get into solid state
drives and then hold onto your seat.

 

[Mark]

: :
: The industry _has_ implemented better cooling in laptops, they've
stopped
: using desktop processors (what you have) in them.

Ok, I will rephrase that then. The industry needs to improve the
overall cooling by providing more airflow in the laptop.
:
: You're going to have transfer problems until you upgrade to a faster
HD. The
: Hitachi 60GB 7200 RPM HD is widely available for ~$150, my preferred
source
: is:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100519:

Yes, nice drive. STill can't justify the price right now. I have the
60G and I haven't used much. Will likely get a 200G drive for my
desktop and an external case. Since I am in Canada, not many retailers
carry Hitachi drives. I just bought sometghing from Tigerdirect.ca
and I still havent received the product. After this experience, I
dont like the idea of purchasing online.

 

[Eric Gisin]

Ignore all the idiots who say capture might be a problem. DV is 3MB/s, and ANY
drive from the last 5 years does that. Just defrag your hard drive.

Burning at 4X is only slightly higher. Lack of bus-mastering or spyware is
going to be the most common problem.

 

[none]

:: Yes it WILL be a problem. Use a 7200rpm drive with at least a 100mhz
: FSB IDE controller.(I recommend using a 133mhz controller.) to capture
: your video.

The h/d that I would be using is an internal mounted inside an external
USB 2.0 case. I don't know hot to translate the FSB speed to a USB
equivalent. The USB 2.0 is suppose to be fast but I don't know how it
would compare to 100 mhz, but the WD hard drive is ATA 100 only. The
other option may be to do the video capture on a 1.8G Celeron computer
and then remove the drive and hook it up to the USB and transfer it to
the laptop.

I've been told that USB 2.0 is actually faster than conventional
firewire so I'd say it all depends on your capture software.(What I
use doesn't support capture via USB.)
It couldn't hurt to give it a try.
ATA 100 is adequate for miniDV capture.(I've used ATA 100 in the past
with only a rare frame drop or two. It IS considered the bare minimum
though and is dependent on a adequate buffer rate.)
I use a Maxtor 80gig super ATA 133 drive with 8mb of buffer for my
pimary capture drive. I also have a Seagate barracuda ATA IV drive
that I use for backup once I have the video captured. I believve the
Seagate is just ATA 100. DMA5 vs. the DMA6 that the Maxtor is.)
Check and see what amount of buffer you have on that WD, I'm thinking
it should be at least 4mb, which should be enough.
I've found it also helps to have lots of ram.
My setup initially had 512mb which made for a very slow go and
resulted in occasional locks/crashes.
When I upgraded to a gig it really helped my capture process.
You can use that 1.8 celeron and do a drive swap though it'd be a big
hassle.
If you're running SB 2.0 on your main machine and your software
supports USB capture devices you should have enough.( Years ago I was
using a PII 650mhz with just 256mb of ram to do analog capture and I
got by even though it was slow going so you should have enough with
your current rig to do DV.)
My main rig is a 1.3gig Athalon with 1gig of ram running win2kpro and
it gets the job done.

 

[none]

I read all the thread, so I know you are mostly concerned about capturing
DV. Well... 1 hour of full-size, full-framerate DV is about 10GB, which
means about 2800 kBps ("B" here means byte).
The 10GB, 4200rpm HDD in my old 700MHz P3 laptop can read and write at about
12000 kBps (tested with Nero).
I would hence say thay you most likely won'tr run into any dropped-frame
problem.
That's theory. In practice, I made some short DV captures (due to the HDD
size, I could not capture a whole tape), and noticed some sort of loss of
"smoothness" on the DV material reversed back on tape. Anyway, I am more
keen to think that this could be caused by the DV codec, rather than by the
Hard Disk.
Anyway, just a couple of weeks ago, I have replaced that HDD with a very
silent, 80GB, 5400rpm Samsung drive with 8MB cache as opposed to the mere
128kB of the other, and let me tell you that the leap in performance was
really amazing. It is like I had replaced the processor with a 1.5GHz one.
So ultimately, If you have the chance of choosing, don't hesitate and go for
a 5400rpm drive with a lot of cache. I am 100% sure that you won't be
disappointed.

The loss of "smoothness" in the captured video is due to frame drops.
Depending on what type of capture software you're using it should have
a frame tally to let you know how many frames were lost.(I use Studio
DV by Pinnicle which has a frame counter that lets you know how many
frames were dropped and where they were lost, allowing for second
passes on slower systems to recapture.)

 

[none]

Imagine what a 7200 rpm would do also. There are 10000 rpm advailable
but not an option for us moderate priced individuals. Soon and
probably sooner than you can imagine they will get into solid state
drives and then hold onto your seat.

Yea, I've seen a high end field camera using a solid state storage rig
and it was sweet. So was the 30 grand price tag, so it was well out of
our range.
I've still got a number of older 3chip broadcast cameras and would
like to setup a HD recorder to use with them.(The available commercial
HD recorders are out of my price range as well.)
I've been wondering what it would take hardware wise to construct a HD
video recorder.(I have in the past used a small tower with a DV
capture card and a portable power generator for location work but that
can be a real hassle.)

 

[none]

Ignore all the idiots who say capture might be a problem. DV is 3MB/s, and ANY
drive from the last 5 years does that. Just defrag your hard drive.

Burning at 4X is only slightly higher. Lack of bus-mastering or spyware is
going to be the most common problem.

Tell me Eric, where did you get your degree in film from?
And exactly how much experience do you have in film/video work?
Or are you even out of high school yet?

 

[Donald Link]

Will USB capture capture the audio and video like firewire?

 

[Eric Gisin]

Tell me Eric, where did you get your degree in film from?
And exactly how much experience do you have in film/video work?
Or are you even out of high school yet?

This topic is way above the head of film people. You one of those trolls that
post anon?

Us computer people know disk performance. There is no recent disk that won't do
DV.

 

[Tim Smith]

Editing should not be a problem but have you captured from a DV firewire
camera?? If not try it and you problably see a problem with dropped
frames.

Why? DV is under 4 mbyte/second, which is much slower than what any modern
drive, even a 4500 RPM drive, can handle. As long as the OS does not have a
brain dead I/O system, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[frank-in-toronto]

Why? DV is under 4 mbyte/second, which is much slower than what any modern
drive, even a 4500 RPM drive, can handle. As long as the OS does not have a
brain dead I/O system, it shouldn't be a problem.

i capture from my mini-dv via firewire on my amd 266 win98se computer.
never drops a frame. i used dvio. i think this is far more software
dependent. using a bloat like premierre may cause lost frames.
....thehick

 

[Donald Link]

Well in real life the 4200 drive is not fast enough and you will drop
frames from a Mini DV carmera capture. Have you tried it? I have and
using a Pinnacle it will not even pass the drive to capture from 2
Sony and 1 Canon DV camcorders and even a 5400 rpm is marginal and if
you do try to capure there is a lot of dropped frames and the 4200 is
a mess. Assuming xp pro is a brain dead OS then you have to get a
reality check. I assume you are a MAC user.

 

[none]

Why? DV is under 4 mbyte/second, which is much slower than what any modern
drive, even a 4500 RPM drive, can handle. As long as the OS does not have a
brain dead I/O system, it shouldn't be a problem.

Incorrect, DV runs around 4.5 to 5 mb per second at least every
capture I've ever done runs at this rate.(And that's mini DV, full
sized Dv runs much more.)

 

[none]

This topic is way above the head of film people. You one of those trolls that
post anon?

Us computer people know disk performance. There is no recent disk that won't do
DV.

Calling me a troll? After you went and called every one here idiots?

I've found that many "computer people" don't know much past their
one's and zero's, especially those still coping with acne.

If you REALLY had any experience capturing dv via firewire you'd know
for a fact that the data rate is well above your quoted 3mb.(I run 4.5
to 5 mbps on ALL of my captures.)
The fact is anyone who'd say a a 4200 drive would work needs to get
his conceited head out of his ass and read up on the subject before
opening his mouth and removing all doubt.

 

[JAD]

OP

Just wondering if this 60 G hard drive is sufficient to do basic video
editing on a laptop and burn to dvd?


<The fact is anyone who'd say a a 4200 drive would work needs to get>


um where do you see DV via Firewire?