10 reasons to upgrade to vista

[Sharon]

"Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
should."

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04/02/ten_reasons_to_update_to_vista/

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Sharon " <[email protected]>

| "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
| X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
| the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
| Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
| from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
| should."
|


Thanx for the laugh !

 

[MICHAEL]

* Sharon:

"Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
should."

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04/02/ten_reasons_to_update_to_vista/

http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
10 reasons not to get Vista

<quote>
It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine as we approach the
consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the second coming, and by
all counts is an upgrade you can do without.

There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why not to.

1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't
already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no
titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's
no need to yet either.
</quote>

http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmack+Speaks+on+DX10+Vista+Xbox+360+PS3+Wii/article5665.htm

Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while upgrading to Windows
Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the new OS: “We only have a
couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those things that there is no
strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be reluctantly like, ‘Well, a lot of
the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”

Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far to say that Microsoft
is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10. “Nothing is going to help a
new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95
to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re artificially doing that
by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re really grasping at
straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many
more years without having a problem with it,” he said.

 

[Frank]

* Sharon:



http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
10 reasons not to get Vista

<quote>
It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine as we approach the
consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the second coming, and by
all counts is an upgrade you can do without.

There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why not to.

1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't
already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no
titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's
no need to yet either.
</quote>

http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmack+Speaks+on+DX10+Vista+Xbox+360+PS3+Wii/article5665.htm

Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while upgrading to Windows
Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the new OS: “We only have a
couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those things that there is no
strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be reluctantly like, ‘Well, a lot of
the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”

Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far to say that Microsoft
is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10. “Nothing is going to help a
new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95
to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re artificially doing that
by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re really grasping at
straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many
more years without having a problem with it,” he said.

C'mon Michael...the only thing you REALLY NEED is a cave, a spear and a
women.
Everything else falls under the category of "I want".
No amount of naying or yahing is going to change that.
DOS was just fine, remember? Green screens, games and all.
How easily we forget! :-D
Vista is here to stay. It is what it is so don't fight it cause it ain't
going away.
Change, any change, for some is a problem.
But for most, they love it!
Frank

 

[MICHAEL]

* Frank:

C'mon Michael...the only thing you REALLY NEED is a cave, a spear and a
women.
Everything else falls under the category of "I want".
No amount of naying or yahing is going to change that.
DOS was just fine, remember? Green screens, games and all.
How easily we forget! :-D
Vista is here to stay. It is what it is so don't fight it cause it ain't
going away.
Change, any change, for some is a problem.
But for most, they love it!
Frank

I haven't fought it, Frank. I've been using it quite regularly since
last June. I have it installed on three computers. But, it ain't all that.
I like it, I certainly don't love it. I personally know folks who don't
love it, either. Perhaps, they'll come to love it. I doubt I will. I've gotten
used to it, but I'm not overly impressed. That's just me. I've always
embraced change, done it head on, and this change really isn't change.
It's just a prettier XP. Unfortunately, I often get the newtech bug and
I'm ready to jump on the newest wing ding or wang dang. There is
absolutely *nothing* revolutionary or even that innovative about Vista.
If that hurts the fanboys' feelings, so be it. Cry, cry, cry, baby.
I can't help them.

Vista is just an operating system- it works, its stable, I can do lots of stuff on it.
But, I'm not doing anything on it that I wasn't already doing on XP.

Oh, of course Vista is here to say, that's sort of foolish to suggest otherwise.
As long as Microsoft has a monopoly, whatever they put out will be what most
folks use. That'll change, not overnight, but change it will.

Take care,

Michael

 

[Sharon]

I don't know about you but I am using Vista Ultimate and it is rocking fun
and sweet to use. I reccommend all my friends to switch over to it, even
those who use an Apple.

 

[Joseph Johnson]

I'm with Michael. I don't think it as new, more like an XP upgrade.

I got Vista Home Basic only because it was the only way to get a new PC,
cheap. Whatever the reason for Vista, the PCs its bundled with have
dropped in price 20% or more, I recently got this laptop for $300 new,
since it wasn't selling with Vista. In the past 4 months since Vista's
release, my PC store has an entire shelf with XP Pro and Home restocked
that they had removed previously to force people to buy Vista.

It gave me the incentive to test it. I've been able to run some really
old software with compatibility mode, albeit most XP, even Win95 software
[ e.g. WSFtp95] run without issue.

Heck, I even run DOS software, despite no one really saying so, in DOS
mode.

I have zero luck with Citrix client though, although there is a Vista
beta out now.



There is absolutely *nothing* revolutionary or

 

[MICHAEL]

I'm glad you like you, lots of people do.

I don't know about "rocking fun", but as I've said
many times in this group- Vista is stable and solid
for me. I'm not complaining about that.
What are you doing on Vista that you couldn't do
on XP? That's really my only point, and that's why if
someone were to ask me if they should move to Vista,
I would tell them to wait until they need a new computer.
It will be a much better value and they won't have to worry
about possible install issues, or about hardware issues.

Take care,

Michael

* Sharon:

 

[Dale White]

I'm interested to hear this ?

What in Vista is "Rocking fun" ? If you turn off Aero, is it still rocking
fun ?

 

[MICHAEL]

Perhaps, Sharon will enlighten us.

Some users are just easily impressed,
or maybe, some of us are too critical
and our expectations set too high.


-Michael

* Dale White:

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

I'm interested to hear this ?

What in Vista is "Rocking fun" ?

Staying ahead of all the malware targetting Vista. Or maybe it's false
positives requiring re-activation? Or maybe it's finding that Microsoft's
DRM prevents one from playing music one has already paid for?

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Dale White]

Well, I can respect if she feels it's just awesome. My girlfriend likes
Vista, but in her case, what she is really saying, "I like the new screen,
it's really pretty" The new screen is the Aero interface. She mostly does
webmail and web surfing and she can play her sims2 without problems, so for
her it's an upgrade because it has a pretty new screensaver.

As you pointed out, she's not doing anything better or faster than what she
was doing under XP. It's all the visual stuff she likes. Funny enough I'm
the very opposite, I don't care for Aero and so I run in classic mode. And I
agree with your statement, there is currently nothing I can do in Vista,
that I can't do under XP, normally better and sometimes faster.

I'll go with if you're getting a new PC, then go ahead and get Vista. But I
don't see any compelling reason to tell someone to upgrade. What do hate is
people who have a old crappy PC, who go out and buy a new kick ass system
and because it runs better and faster think it's Vista that's better and not
realize it's the 5 times better hardware.

I have an Aunt who's running XP on an older AMD XP 2400 and 128MB of PC266
ram with an intergrated video card. She thinks XP sucks, she always thinks
all Compaq PCs sucks, because her system is so slow and crashes\hangs alot.
If she got a new $1000 PC, she would swear Vista is "Rocking Fun"

 

[MICHAEL]

I agree with everything you said, Dale.

I'll add that a lot of users would even be
impressed if they wiped their present system
and clean installed XP. They'd probably feel
like they have a brand new computer. A lot
of average users have years worth of crap on
their machines, installs, uninstalls, reinstalls,
cluttered and craptified. Heck, I'm sure many
users who have machines with just 512MB or 1GB
RAM would be blown away by just adding another
Gig. Oh well, it is what it is... whatever that may be.

Take care,

Michael

* Dale White:

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

I'll go with if you're getting a new PC, then go ahead and get Vista. But
I don't see any compelling reason to tell someone to upgrade. What do hate
is people who have a old crappy PC, who go out and buy a new kick ass
system and because it runs better and faster think it's Vista that's
better and not realize it's the 5 times better hardware.

Add to that the fact that they haven't been running Vista long enough for
the notorious Microsoft BitRot to happen yet. See what they think about
Vista after they've had a chance to run it for 6 months or more. Then watch
the complaints come in how their once fast box has slowed down to a crawl.


Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[ray]

"Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
should."

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04/02/ten_reasons_to_update_to_vista/

Looks like half the reasons are to play games.

 

[Frank]

Looks like half the reasons are to play games.

Yeh who really cares about a multi-billion dollar industry?
I guess millions of computer users do!
Frank

 

[ray]

Yeh who really cares about a multi-billion dollar industry?
I guess millions of computer users do!
Frank

I guess if that's the best reason to go to vista . . .

 

[Frank]

I guess if that's the best reason to go to vista . . .

Maybe for you it is.
I don't do games.
Frank

 

[=?windows-1252?Q?JDa=99=A9?=]

Here's a 3rd person that feels the same as Michael and Joseph.

Yes, its prettier, and more secure. And I am running most all
the programs I had on my XP. It also gave me a chance to clean
the attic so to speak and get rid of stuff I don't use anymore
because I have better programs to do the same things. I upgraded
to a totally new Dell PC that had Vista Home Premium preloaded.
SO I did not experience all the problems most everyone has written
about. The system configured up to my DSL automatically, Window Mail
did not give me any trouble during reconnection to my BellSouth email
account(s). I do not like Window Mail, I normally use Thunderbird
for all my email communications, but WMail is usable. IE7 is a joke
as far as I am concerned, but it is more secure and appears to be
better at getting places and doing things than IE6 ever thought of
being.

I do not like the Vista User Account popup window about permissions.
You would think that once you have granted permission for a program
to run that Vista would remember you doing that (shades of ZoneAlarm).
Course its only doing that on 2 programs, a Windows Wallpaper Changer,
that a MicroSoft programmer wrote, and Firefox v2.0, and it only started
that when I installed the Micromedia Flash addon driver. And I did not
like having to replace either my Epson Photo R200 printer, or HP4570c
scanner, because they did not want to write new interfaces for there
6 year old technology.

But all in all I am pleased with Vista. The only thing that would
and could make it more secure is to require all installs to be run
from the master Administrator account, not a user defined with admin
privileges. Much the same as Unix and the *root* account.

As for comparing OS speed, I can not do that! My Dell e521 PC is a
AMD Athlon X2 +4600 w/2GB. And it is a another world away from
the P4 2.2mHz machine running XP. So yes its faster, but only
if you insist on comparing Peaches and Prunes.

I'm with Michael. I don't think it as new, more like an XP upgrade.

I got Vista Home Basic only because it was the only way to get a new PC,
cheap. Whatever the reason for Vista, the PCs its bundled with have
dropped in price 20% or more, I recently got this laptop for $300 new,
since it wasn't selling with Vista. In the past 4 months since Vista's
release, my PC store has an entire shelf with XP Pro and Home restocked
that they had removed previously to force people to buy Vista.

It gave me the incentive to test it. I've been able to run some really
old software with compatibility mode, albeit most XP, even Win95 software
[ e.g. WSFtp95] run without issue.

Heck, I even run DOS software, despite no one really saying so, in DOS
mode.

I have zero luck with Citrix client though, although there is a Vista
beta out now.




There is absolutely *nothing* revolutionary or

even that innovative about Vista. If that hurts the fanboys' feelings,
so be it. Cry, cry, cry, baby. I can't help them.

Vista is just an operating system- it works, its stable, I can do lots
of stuff on it. But, I'm not doing anything on it that I wasn't
already doing on XP.

Oh, of course Vista is here to say, that's sort of foolish to suggest
otherwise. As long as Microsoft has a monopoly, whatever they put out
will be what most folks use. That'll change, not overnight, but
change it will.

Take care,

Michael

 

[Dale White]

I think Halo 2 as a reason to go to Vista is a bit retarded. Halo might be
hugely popular on the Xbox, but the single player story is hardly worth
noting compared to other big title PC games. Multiplayer, I'm still a bit
surprise at it's popularity as well. Graphics wise, Halo 2 is only so so,
it's not even a DX10 title. Hardly a reason to switch to Vista. Obviously,
I'm not a huge Halo fan, and the fact they made Halo 2 Vista only, removed
any desire to try it.

Xbox Live\Vista Live.
I'm a PC gamer, so the whole concept of paying to play any game on-line
seems absurd. Granted Vista users don't have to pay to play the games, they
will have to pay to get some of the features like gamer score and to tie in
to play Xbox users. I'm sure some people will love this, but the feature
seems aimed at the 16-21 year old, who seem to think their gamer score
defines who they are.