Winodws XP

[John John (MVP)]

I guess it's no that either. Maybe links to censored porn

John

 

[John John (MVP)]

In that case, if it's "fixed" I should be able to past the exact text
that got the post banned yesterday and it should show on the server. I
will give it anoter try.

John

 

[Alias]

Lets see if this will work:

Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers
with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows
cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some
things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some
subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in
public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being
said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or
highly critical of Microsoft.

John

Thanks for the kind words. MS is afraid of Ubuntu and rightfully so.
After all, it's free, is not virus or malware prone and can run on each
and every machine that's running XP right now. As I occasionally suggest
using Ubuntu, I am on their black list. I do notice that if I change my
nick and email address, the posts will go on the MS servers but are
quickly removed. You'd think that MS would have these "moderators" doing
something useful but, after all, look what they did with Vista.

Alias

 

[John John (MVP)]

Hmmm. I wonder how long I should wait....

It might be easier to copy the stuff between the === lines then go here
http://people.csail.mit.edu/hammond/teaching/cs1001/MorseCodeTranslator.html
paste in the box and translate it to english...

==============================================================
..-- .... . - .... . .-. / -.-- --- ..- / .- --. .-. . . / .-- .. - ....
/ .- .-.. .. .- ... / --- .-. / -. --- - / --- -. . / -.-. .- -. / ...
..- ..-. . .-.. -.-- / ... .- -.-- / - .... .- - / .... .. ... / .--. ---
.... - ... / -. . ...- . .-. / -.-. --- -. - .- .. -. / ... .--. .- --
--..-- / .--. --- .-. -. --..-- / .-.. .. -. -.- ... / - --- / .--. ---
..-. -. / --- .-. / ...- ..- .-.. --. .- .-. / .-.. .- -. --. ..- .- --.
.. --..-- / -.-- . - / -- .- -. -.-- / --- ..-. / .... .. ... / .--. ---
.... - ... / .... .- ...- . / -... . . -. / .-. . -- --- ...- . -.. / ---
..-. / .--. .-. . ...- . -. - . -.. / ..-. .-. --- -- / . ...- . .-. / .-
..--. .--. . .- .-. .. -. --. / --- -. / - .... . / -- ... / ... . .-.
....- . .-. ... .-.-.- / / --- -. / -... .-. --- .- -.-. .... .. -. --. /
- .... . / .. ... ... ..- . / --- ..-. / - .... . / .--. .-. .- -.-. -
... -.-. . / --- ..-. / ... .... .. .--. .--. .. -. --. / -.-. --- --
..--. ..- - . .-. ... / .-- .. - .... / .-. . ... - --- .-. .- - .. ---
-. ... / -.-. -.. ... / .- -. -.. / .-. . -.-. --- ...- . .-. -.-- /
..--. .- .-. - .. - .. --- -. ... / .. -. ... - . .- -.. / --- ..-. / .-.
.. .- .-.. / .-- .. -. -.. --- .-- ... / -.-. -.. ... / .. / .... .- ...-
.. / .... .- -.. / .--. --- ... - ... / -.-. . -. ... --- .-. . -.. / ..
-. / - .... . ... . / --. .-. --- ..- .--. ... --..-- / ... --- / .. /
-.- -. --- .-- / - .... .- - / ... --- -- . / - .... .. -. --. ... / .-
..-. . / ... . -. ... .. - .. ...- . / - --- / ... --- -- . --- -. . / .-
- / -- .. -.-. .-. --- ... --- ..-. - --..-- / - .... . .-. . / .- .-. .
/ .--- ..- ... - / ... --- -- . / ... ..- -... .--- . -.-. - ... / -
..... .- - / ... --- -- . --- -. . / .- - / -- .. -.-. .-. --- ... ---
...-. - / -.. --- . ... -. - / .-.. .. -.- . / ... . . .. -. --. / .- ..
..-. . -.. / --- ..- - / .. -. / .--. ..- -... .-.. .. -.-. / / --- -
..... . .-. / - .... .- -. / - .... .- - / -- .. -.-. .-. --- ... ---
...-. - / .. ... / --.- ..- .. - . / - --- .-.. . .-. .- -. - / --- ..-.
/ .-- .... .- - / .. ... / -... . .. -. --. / ... .- .. -.. / .. -. / -
..... . ... . / --. .-. --- ..- .--. ... / --- -. / - .... . .. .-. / ...
.. .-. ...- . .-. ... --..-- / . ...- . -. / .-- .... . -. / .. - / ..
.... / .. -. ..-. .-.. .- -- -- .- - --- .-. -.-- / --- .-. / .... .. --.
..... .-.. -.-- / -.-. .-. .. - .. -.-. .- .-.. / --- ..-. / -- .. -.-.
..-. --- ... --- ..-. - .-.-.- /
========================================================

 

[Alias]

Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't
make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on moderated
newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* reviewed first.
That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up (because this is not a
moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's posts show up (and
propagate and get archived on Google, etc., even if they are removed
from the MS news server shortly after they are posted). If this group
were moderated (again, in the generally accepted Usenet sense of the
term), Alias's posts (and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not
show up in the first place and would therefore not propagate.

Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place.

Alias

 

[Alias]

I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never seen nor
heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely because there
were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are removed upon the request
of the poster if there is a valid reason, if they contain blatant spam,
contain excessive profanity, have any reference to porn, could contain
dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom of speech very seriously and does not
arbitrarily remove posts just because they are critical of MS. With that
said, I don't recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know what might
be objectionable in his posts if they are indeed being removed. I would
also be willing to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if he/she
removed a post because of a grudge.

I don't know anyone at MS. I do know that some of my posts never make
the MS servers until I change my email address. So, I am being censored,
pure and simple, and MS is not serious about free speech. They would do
well to set up shop in China where this kind of crap is accepted.

Alias

 

[Daave]

Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place.

This one did!

 

[Alan]

John,

Are YOU able to see this post in which Alias and I talk about his threads?

Alan

 

[John John (MVP)]

This one did!

Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my post
won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code! lol I
wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers.

Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and
everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through
tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt
discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going on
or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely
annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post
removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own.

John

 

[Bob I]

Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my post
won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code! lol I
wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers.

Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and
everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through
tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt
discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going on
or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely
annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post
removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own.

John

Curious enough to post it one line at a time yet? ;-)

 

[John John (MVP)]

I see this thread and the one labeled SERVICE PACK 3 - Updated Help
Needed... but I still find my post censored if I post the original
contents that couldn't make it here (yesterday) in the first place,
....it is still censored ...unless I post it in Morse Code!

John

 

[norm]

Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my post
won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code! lol I
wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers.

Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and
everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through
tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt
discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going on
or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely
annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post
removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own.

John

Fwiw, a couple days ago I saw a warning in the vista general group from
Colin Barnhorst about some drastic actions forthcoming in the groups
concerning posts deemed inappropriate. The thread is "the powers that be".
"Colin Barnhorst wrote:
Suggestion: I really wish you guys would move on from this Adam
NotSoBright stuff. It is entirely off-topic and is starting to result
in some ugly looking actions from the powers-that-be."
Quite possibly, Colin might have more info on what specifically is going
on.

 

[Alias]

Alias,

What's REALLY scary is that Microsoft is actually paying people to
administer their newsgroups, to keep 'subversives' like you off the air.

Alan

I doubt anyone is getting paid when they have shills like Carey Frisch
who would do it for free.

Alias

 

[Daave]

Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my
post won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code!
lol I wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers.

Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and
everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through
tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt
discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going
on or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely
annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post
removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own.

Most of Alias's posts are not controversial. Apparently, when he changed
his e-mail address, his posts started showing up again, so MS was
filtering all posts including that old address. My guess is they don't
appreciate it when he gives people instructions on how to transfer an
OEM license from one PC to another.

Strictly speaking, "free speech" is a governmental concept, so MS isn't
really censoring Alias. However, it's pretty close; they are impeding
the free flow of information. Then again, it's their server, and they
are legally allowed to do this. Although I understand their motivations,
they are being disingenuous when they claim to support free speech.

FWIW, there is another issue. Sometimes the MS news server just acts
plain goofy. I've made posts using it which have never showed up. I
would immediately use another news server (my ISP's or Google Groups).
Although those posts propagated, they still never showed on the MS news
server. Then the problem would disappear quickly. Something tripped the
filtering. Perhaps it was a combination of the length, how many quoted
lines (from previous posts) it contained, or a banned poster appearing
at one point in the thread.

Or it might be some sort of weird "Bush Hid the Facts" bug:

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/bush-hid-the-facts-notepad.html

 

[Alias]

This one did!

I changed my email address and Carey Frisch isn't up yet.

Alias

 

[norm]

Fwiw, a couple days ago I saw a warning in the vista general group from
Colin Barnhorst about some drastic actions forthcoming in the groups
concerning posts deemed inappropriate. The thread is "the powers that be".
"Colin Barnhorst wrote:
Suggestion: I really wish you guys would move on from this Adam
NotSoBright stuff. It is entirely off-topic and is starting to result
in some ugly looking actions from the powers-that-be."
Quite possibly, Colin might have more info on what specifically is going
on.

Correction. The thread is "adam albright's dream fantasy...LOL!", not
"the powers that be". In any event the whole thread is not available on
the ms server.

 

[Alias]

Most of Alias's posts are not controversial. Apparently, when he changed
his e-mail address, his posts started showing up again, so MS was
filtering all posts including that old address. My guess is they don't
appreciate it when he gives people instructions on how to transfer an
OEM license from one PC to another.

<eg>

Alias

 

[Daave]

I changed my email address and Carey Frisch isn't up yet.

Does Carey Frisch have the ability to remove/filter your posts?

 

[Alias]

Does Carey Frisch have the ability to remove/filter your posts?

So he says.

Alias

 

[Frank-FL]

Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from 'Alias'
are deleted almost as soon as they are posted.

Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be doing
that.

Alan

Alias posts could be considered by some as being a little overboard by
promoting Ubuntu, or posting from Spain.