windows Vista can you do a clean install with an upgrade disk?

G

Guest

If I buy an upgrade disk of Vista ultimate, and format and partition my hard
drive, I should be able to use the 'Upgrade disk' right? I belive it will
simply prompt me for my Windows Xp professional disk. Is that correct?
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

No, that has apparently changed.
You will need to have the qualifying OS installed and then upgrade from
Windows.
Then you will have a choice to Clean Install.
 
G

Guest

Thinking about this further, lets just suppose I tried using the Ultimate
Disk to try and upgrade from XP Home edition, I probably would not qualify.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Unlike the "Full Version" of Windows Vista, the "Upgrade Version"
disc is non-bootable. You'll have to begin the upgrade or clean install
process at the desktop of Windows XP. In other words, you must
have a genuine version of Windows XP installed and properly activated
before beginning an upgrade or clean install if using a Vista upgrade disc.


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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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| If I buy an upgrade disk of Vista ultimate, and format and partition my hard
| drive, I should be able to use the 'Upgrade disk' right? I belive it will
| simply prompt me for my Windows Xp professional disk. Is that correct?
 
G

Guest

Thank you both for answering my question. It makes sense that you must have
an activated 'genuine' copy of XP. When I do upgrade to Vista Ultimate, I
plan on making a image of the newly activated Vista, just in case I screw it
up with a virus or whatever I can always go back. Most users should do this.
 
K

Kerry Brown

That may not be the case. See the tread titled "Clean upgrades of OEM OS
installs that lack original media" in
microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup. The appropriate quote is:

"I don't think so I haven't tried that scenario, you will not be able to
remove the underlying OS from the volume(either the boot or the system
volume), clean install would need to be to another volume. If the boot and
system partitions were different you may be able to remove the boot
partition( the one that contains \windows), but you wouldn't be able to
remove the "system" partition ( the one containing the boot files) since
the Windows Vista temp files are located on that volume and you can't
remove the temp files out from under setup.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"
 
O

Opinicus

Jon Acord said:
When I do upgrade to Vista Ultimate, I
plan on making a image of the newly activated Vista, just in case I screw
it
up with a virus or whatever I can always go back. Most users should do
this.

That sounds like a good idea. What requirements (software etc) would be
involved?
 
G

Guest

I use an excellant software called Acronis True Backup. Compatible with XP
and Vista I discovered. When I beta tested RC1 and 2 I used it to create
images as an with no problems.
 
D

Dr. Heywood Floyd

My primary drive is in two partitions - "C" and "E".

My secondary (slave) drive is "D".

I have XP pro installed on "C" and use it at my working drive.

Will I be able to start the Vista Upgrade disk from within "C" and be
able it do a 'clean' install on "D"?

I'll want a duel-boot system until I'm sure I really want to give up XP
for Vista.
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

No. An Upgrade started from C: would upgrade the Windows installed on C:
As I recall Setup only lets you pick the target volume if you are running a
Custom installation and that would require you to be running a full edition,
not an Upgrade edition.
 
D

Dr. Heywood Floyd

So???? NO duel-boot testing of Vista unless one pops for the 'full'
version purchase?
 
G

Gary Mount

I am testing Installing Windows 2000 (via Virtual PC), the last version of
Windows that I have that is an Upgrade version. I have reached the point
where it says
"Setup cannot find a pervious version of Windows installed on your computer.
To continue, Setup needs to verify that you qualify to use this upgrade
product.
Please insert your Windows NT 3.51 Workstation, Windows NT 4.0 Workstation,
Windows 95, or Windows 98 CD into your CD-ROM drive.
* When the CD is in the drive, press ENTER.
* To quit Setup, press F3. "

So, for version Windows 2000 at least, just having the install disk was
enough. I can imagine that the same will be for Vista.

Imagine if you had to install Windows XP, but that was an upgrade, so you
had to install Windows 2000, but that was an upgrade so you had to install
Windows 98... add infinitum.
Fortunately that is not the case, and hopefully Microsoft has continued this
process so that when the next Version of Windows comes out, you won't have
to install XP so that you can install Vista, so that you can install the
next version of Windows.
 
J

Jeff Gaines

So???? NO duel-boot testing of Vista unless one pops for the 'full'
version purchase?

That's correct as far as the XP licence is concerned - if you use XP as
your qualifying product for an upgrade then you are no longer entitled to
use it.
 
R

Roy Coorne

Gary Mount schrieb:
....
So, for version Windows 2000 at least, just having the install disk was
enough. I can imagine that the same will be for Vista.
....

That is your imagination... but, unfortunately, no longer the case.
 
J

Jane C

From the Readme.rtf in the Sources folder on the Vista DVD:
You cannot start, or “boot,†your computer from the Windows Vista upgrade
disc.

So, upgrade must be started from within a qualifying OS.
 
B

BB

What if you are upgrading from Windows 2000 to Vista, is this still the same
case? As I thought this type of upgrade involved a clean install of Vista
 
D

Donald L McDaniel

Thinking about this further, lets just suppose I tried using the Ultimate
Disk to try and upgrade from XP Home edition, I probably would not qualify.

Actually, Jon, there is no such thing as a "Vista Ultimate Edition
DVD", since ALL Vista DVDs contain ALL versions of the OS, including
Home, Home Premium, Business, and Ultimate.

Depending on the license you purchase, the correct version of Vista
will be installed from the same DVD. The way the installer will be
able to tell which version to install will be by the DVD key you
receive when you purchase your license. DONT LOSE THAT KEY!!!

I'm pretty sure that if you purchase an upgrade license to Vista
Ultimate, you will have no trouble upgrading XP Home to Vista
Ultimate, since that is a valid upgrade path for Vista Ultimate.
However, it's also possible that you will have to do a "clean"
install. Can't remember right this minute the link to the Vista
Upgrade paths.

Just found Paul Thurrott's site about the Vista Upgrade paths:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade.asp

However, keep in mind that if your XP Home disk was an Upgrade disk,
you will HAVE to have on-hand another full license of XP Home, or
purchase a cheap Generic Full OEM copy of XP (home or pro) and upgrade
THAT to Vista Ultimate, or purchase a Full Retail license of Vista
Ultimate. You can't, after all, use an upgrade license to upgrade an
upgrade license.

Either way, if you DON'T have a full license of XP (Home or Pro), you
will HAVE to buy a FULL License of Vista Ultimate, if Ultimate is the
version you have your heart set on.

It seems to me, though, that most home users aren't going to need
Vista Ultimate. I advise home users to purchase Vista Home Premium,
unless they really need advanced networking. Of course, if you're a
hobbyist or Windows enthusiast, you might want Vista Ultimate just for
the "bragging rights".

Check out the differences between the four versions before making a
purchasing decision. Microsoft has really done a fine job of
designing each edition for the right demographic this time around.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx

After perusing this, I am persuaded that most home users and families
will agree with me that the best value for their money will be Vista
Home Premium (Upgrade or Full). It has the best user features of
Ultimate Edition, including the advanced Aero GUI, as well as Media
Center , without the advanced networking and business features of
Business Edition or Ultimate.

And Vista Home Premium (Retail Upgrade) will have almost the same
price as the older Generic OEM copies of XP Pro w/SP2 (~$129-$159),
with the added advantage of owning a Retail version, which allows the
licensee to transfer his license to other machines, should he need to
(not possible according to the OEM license).

I really commend Microsoft for making the price of its XP Home Premium
Retail Upgrade so reasonable.

One thing I DON'T like is the lack of the ability to use Home Premium
in a Virtual setting.

Consider: I own an Intel iMac, as well as a license to Parallels
Desktop for Mac. This product is probably the most convenient way to
use both OS X and Windows on the same machine. With XP, I was able to
do this. But the Home Premium license does not allow this, even
though my copy of Vista would be on a SINGLE machine, not two. This
is in my opinion not fair to the user.

It is especially not fair to the owners of Apple Intels. If Microsoft
were trying to keep Windows users from running Windows on Apple
Intels, this would be the most logical way to go about it. I am not
accusing them of doing this, but it really seems suspicious to me,
especially in light of Microsoft's past statements that they would not
attempt to keep folks from running Windows on Apple Intels.

They are in effect, putting a TAX on running Windows on an Apple Intel
PC -- one must purchase the most EXPENSIVE edition of Vista to do this
using the Apple Intels' hardware virtualization abilities.

While they ARE keeping to the LETTTER of their statement that they
would not attempt to keep users from running Windows on their Apple
Intels PCs (since it IS still possible to dual-boot between OS X and
Vista using Apple's Boot Camp Assistant Beta software), I don't
believe they are keeping to the SPIRIT of their words. For many
people, using the dual-booting option makes it more difficult to do
cross-platform work, thus putting a chilling effect on the use of
Windows on Apple Intel PCs.

The fact is, hardware virtualization software such as Parallels
Desktop for Mac is the BEST solution for many Apple users. I know
that most Mac users I've spoken with agree on this, and prefer not to
dual-boot with Windows.

Why wouldn't Microsoft WANT to have their OS being shown on the same
display alongside OS X?

It seems to me, that if they have faith in their OS being the BEST,
they would WANT OS X users to SEE how much better Vista is than OS X,
by allowing them to easily run the two OSes alongside each other on
the same display (or dual-displays).

Just my opinion.

Donald L McDaniel
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D

Donald L McDaniel

What if you are upgrading from Windows 2000 to Vista, is this still the same
case? As I thought this type of upgrade involved a clean install of Vista
In that case, one would NOT be "upgrading" from Windows 2000. One
would simply be installing a NEW OS from scratch.

By the way, upgrading from Windows 2000 to Vista is not a valid
upgrade path, therefore, one could not use a Vista Upgrade DVD in that
case.

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread and newsgroup
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