Will Windows Mail Work As A Client For MSN accounts

W

Windows User

On Windows Vista, will the new Windows Mail work as a client for MSN
accounts similarly to the way that Outlook Express works as a client on
Windows XP?
 
G

Gary VanderMolen

The answer depends on whether you're talking about free web mail accounts
(No), or premium POP accounts (Yes).

Gary VanderMolen
 
W

...winston

And No for all premium http accounts.

The only premium pop3 accounts are legacy accounts issued years ago and prior to MSn Explorer 5.4 or legacy MSn partner accounts.

...winston

: The answer depends on whether you're talking about free web mail accounts
: (No), or premium POP accounts (Yes).
:
: Gary VanderMolen
:
: > On Windows Vista, will the new Windows Mail work as a client for MSN
: > accounts similarly to the way that Outlook Express works as a client on
: > Windows XP?
 
K

Keith Pearson

In short, No. For some stupid reason windows vista does not support it. It
seems many people are complaining about this as hotmail is used by almost
everyone.. hopefully they will fix this as I don't want to change my email
address everytime I move ISP.
 
S

StephenB

Gary VanderMolen said:
The answer depends on whether you're talking about free web mail accounts
(No), or premium POP accounts (Yes).

Gary VanderMolen
For the record, there are no Premium POP accounts for recent subscribers of MSN.
The product designed for MSN/Hotmail and other http accounts is Windows Live
Mail desktop, currently in beta.
-steve
 
T

Tibelian

If you have a POP based legacy MSN email address - yes you can.
If you have a HTTP based free account - you cant download MSN/ Hotmail mail
on Windows Mail and would need the wannabe desktop client Windows Live Mail
Desktop (Beta) with ads - WLMDB
If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if
you have purchased that.
If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you
can use WLMDB or Outlook
 
G

Guest

Here is something you can try. Microsoft has a new email client called: "Windows Live Mail Desktop" that you can download and install from www.ideas.live.com. It's a great little program and will work with HTTP Mail, pop mail, just about everything.

It's still in beta but I've been using it for a month and have had absolutely no problems with it. It also autoupdates itself when new versions are available.





in message > If you have a POP based legacy MSN email address - yes you can. > If you have a HTTP based free account - you cant download MSN/ Hotmail mail > on Windows Mail and would need the wannabe desktop client Windows Live Mail > Desktop (Beta) with ads - WLMDB > If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if > you have purchased that. > If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you > can use WLMDB or Outlook > > "Windows User" wrote in message > >> On Windows Vista, will the new Windows Mail work as a client for MSN >> accounts similarly to the way that Outlook Express works as a client on >> Windows XP? >>
 
G

Gary VanderMolen

Tibelian said:
If you have a POP based legacy MSN email address - yes you can.
If you have a HTTP based free account - you cant download MSN/ Hotmail mail
on Windows Mail and would need the wannabe desktop client Windows Live Mail
Desktop (Beta) with ads - WLMDB
If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if
you have purchased that.
If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you
can use WLMDB or Outlook

In either of the two latter cases you should be able to use WinMail.
You may have to fool the new account wizard by giving it a fake address,
(other than @msn.com) and then correcting it after the account is set up.
 
W

...winston

Not true Gary..
The last/latter two by the poster
"If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if you have purchased that.
If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you can use WLMDB or Outlook."

The first, yes; the second, no. The second is unless I am mistaken is in reference to a free http account that if in use with OE prior to Aug 2005(grandfathered) allowed the included Windows email client Outlook Express or Outlook to retrieve http messages.
Installation of Vista as you know installs Windows Mail, while Outlook and WLMDbeta can be used to send/retrieve legacy(grandfathered) http mail it(Windows Mail) can not be used or fooled into use of a legacy(grandfathered) http account fee or free based.

Only an MSn pop3 legacy account can be setup in Windows Mail, and the suggested route is to use the original legacy nomenclature ([email protected]) when setting up the account..doing so will allow the pop3 option selection instead of Windows mail interpreting the msn.com email address as an http account. The original legacy pop3 nomenclature can not be used for legacy(grandfathered) http accounts of the form msn.com since these accounts can not use the old or current pop3/smtp servers nor the Outgoing authentication and SSL requirements.

The original poster is correct in the options available for all forms of msn accounts.

There are some free legacy pop3 accounts(very few are still in existence) that were awarded to select individuals in the 1994 through 1999 time frame for service as forum managers, asst forum managers, chat or trivia hosts, web based forum managers[once the msnnews server was removed-note the double 'n'), original MSn-MVP(not the current), other MVP's and a few other very limited reasons. All of which still use the pop3/stmp protocol just like the original fee based legacy pop3 accounts but none of which required any form of 'grandfathering' for use in any MSn or Msft email client.

...winston

: > If you have a POP based legacy MSN email address - yes you can.
: > If you have a HTTP based free account - you cant download MSN/ Hotmail mail
: > on Windows Mail and would need the wannabe desktop client Windows Live Mail
: > Desktop (Beta) with ads - WLMDB
: > If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if
: > you have purchased that.
: > If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you
: > can use WLMDB or Outlook
:
: In either of the two latter cases you should be able to use WinMail.
: You may have to fool the new account wizard by giving it a fake address,
: (other than @msn.com) and then correcting it after the account is set up.
: --
: Gary VanderMolen
 
P

Peter Foldes

I got mine in 94. Have never paid a cent for the account. The only thing that drove me mad at one time like you Winston was that stupid SPA and all the outages. The person most upset was always Jim Forbes. lol

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
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Not true Gary..
The last/latter two by the poster
"If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if you have purchased that.
If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you can use WLMDB or Outlook."

The first, yes; the second, no. The second is unless I am mistaken is in reference to a free http account that if in use with OE prior to Aug 2005(grandfathered) allowed the included Windows email client Outlook Express or Outlook to retrieve http messages.
Installation of Vista as you know installs Windows Mail, while Outlook and WLMDbeta can be used to send/retrieve legacy(grandfathered) http mail it(Windows Mail) can not be used or fooled into use of a legacy(grandfathered) http account fee or free based.

Only an MSn pop3 legacy account can be setup in Windows Mail, and the suggested route is to use the original legacy nomenclature ([email protected]) when setting up the account..doing so will allow the pop3 option selection instead of Windows mail interpreting the msn.com email address as an http account. The original legacy pop3 nomenclature can not be used for legacy(grandfathered) http accounts of the form msn.com since these accounts can not use the old or current pop3/smtp servers nor the Outgoing authentication and SSL requirements.

The original poster is correct in the options available for all forms of msn accounts.

There are some free legacy pop3 accounts(very few are still in existence) that were awarded to select individuals in the 1994 through 1999 time frame for service as forum managers, asst forum managers, chat or trivia hosts, web based forum managers[once the msnnews server was removed-note the double 'n'), original MSn-MVP(not the current), other MVP's and a few other very limited reasons. All of which still use the pop3/stmp protocol just like the original fee based legacy pop3 accounts but none of which required any form of 'grandfathering' for use in any MSn or Msft email client.

...winston

: > If you have a POP based legacy MSN email address - yes you can.
: > If you have a HTTP based free account - you cant download MSN/ Hotmail mail
: > on Windows Mail and would need the wannabe desktop client Windows Live Mail
: > Desktop (Beta) with ads - WLMDB
: > If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if
: > you have purchased that.
: > If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you
: > can use WLMDB or Outlook
:
: In either of the two latter cases you should be able to use WinMail.
: You may have to fool the new account wizard by giving it a fake address,
: (other than @msn.com) and then correcting it after the account is set up.
: --
: Gary VanderMolen
 
W

...winston

Lol..Spa intro was a nightmare and it came right on the heels of the long awaited resolution for the modem disconnect problems.

Speaking of Jim...maybe he'll pop back in sometime. I hope he's doing well. If so I'm sure he's enjoying the outdoors and the mountains.

...winston


I got mine in 94. Have never paid a cent for the account. The only thing that drove me mad at one time like you Winston was that stupid SPA and all the outages. The person most upset was always Jim Forbes. lol

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

Not true Gary..
The last/latter two by the poster
"If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if you have purchased that.
If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you can use WLMDB or Outlook."

The first, yes; the second, no. The second is unless I am mistaken is in reference to a free http account that if in use with OE prior to Aug 2005(grandfathered) allowed the included Windows email client Outlook Express or Outlook to retrieve http messages.
Installation of Vista as you know installs Windows Mail, while Outlook and WLMDbeta can be used to send/retrieve legacy(grandfathered) http mail it(Windows Mail) can not be used or fooled into use of a legacy(grandfathered) http account fee or free based.

Only an MSn pop3 legacy account can be setup in Windows Mail, and the suggested route is to use the original legacy nomenclature ([email protected]) when setting up the account..doing so will allow the pop3 option selection instead of Windows mail interpreting the msn.com email address as an http account. The original legacy pop3 nomenclature can not be used for legacy(grandfathered) http accounts of the form msn.com since these accounts can not use the old or current pop3/smtp servers nor the Outgoing authentication and SSL requirements.

The original poster is correct in the options available for all forms of msn accounts.

There are some free legacy pop3 accounts(very few are still in existence) that were awarded to select individuals in the 1994 through 1999 time frame for service as forum managers, asst forum managers, chat or trivia hosts, web based forum managers[once the msnnews server was removed-note the double 'n'), original MSn-MVP(not the current), other MVP's and a few other very limited reasons. All of which still use the pop3/stmp protocol just like the original fee based legacy pop3 accounts but none of which required any form of 'grandfathering' for use in any MSn or Msft email client.

...winston

: > If you have a POP based legacy MSN email address - yes you can.
: > If you have a HTTP based free account - you cant download MSN/ Hotmail mail
: > on Windows Mail and would need the wannabe desktop client Windows Live Mail
: > Desktop (Beta) with ads - WLMDB
: > If you have a paid subscription - you could do it on WLMDB or on Outlook, if
: > you have purchased that.
: > If you have a free legacy account grandfathered with access to Outlook - you
: > can use WLMDB or Outlook
:
: In either of the two latter cases you should be able to use WinMail.
: You may have to fool the new account wizard by giving it a fake address,
: (other than @msn.com) and then correcting it after the account is set up.
: --
: Gary VanderMolen
 
J

Jack D. Russell, Sr.

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup: microsoft.public.msn.discussion,microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
* Reply to: All; "...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com>
* Date:Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:23:20 -0400
* Subj: Re: Will Windows Mail Work As A Client For MSN accounts
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w> Speaking of Jim...maybe he'll pop back in sometime. I hope he's
w> doing well. If so I'm sure he's enjoying the outdoors and the
w> mountains.
w>
w> ...winston
w>
w> I got mine in 94. Have never paid a cent for the account. The only
w> thing that drove me mad at one time like you Winston was that
w> stupid SPA and all the outages. The person most upset was always
w> Jim Forbes. lol

I'll get an e-mail from Jim every once in a while, usually wanting to know if my various email addresses are still valid. Not much information in them, but at least he's still alive ;) This group has never been the same since his departure. I, for one, miss him.
 
T

Tibelian

...winston said:
Not true Gary..
The last/latter two by the poster
The first, yes; the second, no. The second is unless I am mistaken is in
reference to a free http account that if in use > with OE prior to Aug
2005(grandfathered) allowed the included Windows email client Outlook
Express or Outlook to retrieve > http messages.
Installation of Vista as you know installs Windows Mail, while Outlook and
WLMDbeta can be used to send/retrieve legacy
(grandfathered) http mail it(Windows Mail) can not be used or fooled into
use of a legacy(grandfathered) http account fee > or free based.

You are right, HTTP mail cant be setup on Windows Mail - but you could still
use the free download of Windows Live Mail Desktop BETA (WLMDB) as a desktop
client for Hotmail/ MSN accounts : grandfathered or not..
 
L

leandro migos

"...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> schreef in bericht
And No for all premium http accounts.

The only premium pop3 accounts are legacy accounts issued years ago and
prior to MSn Explorer 5.4 or legacy MSn partner accounts.

...winston

: The answer depends on whether you're talking about free web mail accounts
: (No), or premium POP accounts (Yes).
:
: Gary VanderMolen
:
: > On Windows Vista, will the new Windows Mail work as a client for MSN
: > accounts similarly to the way that Outlook Express works as a client on
: > Windows XP?
 
W

...winston

Stephen B covered the WLMDB(grandfathered or not i.e. all http) in his post;
your's covered the rest..mine was to ensure that no confusion whatsover on
what determines a true msn pop3 account and the definition and applicability
of the grandfathered http accounts and what mail clients are applicable.

As a side note...<g>.. Msn legacy pop3 accounts are the only accounts that
can be accessed by all applications except one that should never be used(Msn
Explorer) --- These all work--- OE or OL using the pop3/smtp server or the
http server, Windows Mail(via the pop3/smtp server), Hotmail and/or Live
Mail(Web Interface), WLMDBeta(uses the http server). The installation and
use of MSn Explorer with a pop3 legacy account will convert that account
when used as the primary account to an http account eliminating all
pop3/smtp capability.

...winston
 

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