Why Windows F@cking BLOWS CHUNKS!

[sbb78247]

Oh, yeah..Vista installed and ran properly at the OC speed, also.
Too bad it's just so plain useless as an OS unless you want to buy all new
software...

you really are a pathetic ****wit aren't you. it seems to take you 2 tries
to make your point you ****wit.

HAND, GFIA

p.s. your nym fit you since you are such a ****ing loonie that is a total
****wit. remember linux made you stupid and gay

 

[flyer]

Ok, pony up and we'll make it happen! Just advance the cash through
PayPal...LOTS of it!

I said GOOD money, not how MUCH of it!

Glad you're so easily amused! What else can we do to make you happy?!

Well the above is plenty for now.

 

[hachiroku]

you really are a pathetic ****wit aren't you. it seems to take you 2 tries
to make your point you ****wit.

HAND, GFIA

UYMFA, Dimwit. How much does M$ pay you to shill for them?
HAHAHAHA!!! And he calls *ME* a ****wit!! What'sa matter? Haven't figured
anything else out yet? You're the major reason M$ has to keep dumbing down
the Operating Systems, so Morons like you can use a computer and increase
the Customer Base.

p.s. your nym fit you since you are such a ****ing loonie that is a
total ****wit. remember linux made you stupid and gay

No, you having a computer made your stupidity and gayness apparent to
thousands, instead of just your mother and your dog.
That and your shilling for M$. Imagine this idiot sticking up for one of
the world's largest companies.

 

[sbb78247]

UYMFA, Dimwit. How much does M$ pay you to shill for them?
HAHAHAHA!!! And he calls *ME* a ****wit!! What'sa matter? Haven't figured
anything else out yet? You're the major reason M$ has to keep dumbing down
the Operating Systems, so Morons like you can use a computer and increase
the Customer Base.





No, you having a computer made your stupidity and gayness apparent to
thousands, instead of just your mother and your dog.
That and your shilling for M$. Imagine this idiot sticking up for one of
the world's largest companies.

true linux loonies in action folks. they automatically assume anyone who
doubts them must be paid by microsoft.

and yes, you are still a ****wit.

HTH, HAND, and GFIA

 

[Moonbat]

true linux loonies in action folks. they automatically assume anyone who
doubts them must be paid by microsoft.

So, why the tenacious grip on Anything Microsoft? I don't get it.
NO operating system is without foibles. But Microsoft has been habitually
Dumbing Down Windows since WIN2K. Look at tha Nightmare that was ME.
Horrible!

Yeah, Linux is quirky, but it works almost as well as anything from
Microsoft in some ways, and better in others. Likewise, Windows does some
things better. Vista is a kludge, and merely a shot in the arm for the
computer industry. More RAM, better video, fast processor, and new
programs are needed to run it at it's fullest. On a machine I upgraded for
Vista, my Linux installs don't come anywhere NEAR using the resources
Vista was hogging! And memory use in Vista was the worst I have ever seen.

But that fails to answer why XP wouldn't load at a higher than specified
clock speed, when a LOT of other things did...

 

[sbb78247]

So, why the tenacious grip on Anything Microsoft? I don't get it.
NO operating system is without foibles. But Microsoft has been
habitually Dumbing Down Windows since WIN2K. Look at tha Nightmare
that was ME. Horrible!

Yeah, Linux is quirky, but it works almost as well as anything from
Microsoft in some ways, and better in others. Likewise, Windows does
some things better. Vista is a kludge, and merely a shot in the arm
for the computer industry. More RAM, better video, fast processor,
and new programs are needed to run it at it's fullest. On a machine I
upgraded for Vista, my Linux installs don't come anywhere NEAR using
the resources Vista was hogging! And memory use in Vista was the
worst I have ever seen.

But that fails to answer why XP wouldn't load at a higher than
specified clock speed, when a LOT of other things did...

luck of the draw, incorrect drivers, or just trying to set up an operating
system with the system out of spec can but not always cause errors.

actually i have used the board in question and it can also depend on the
fact of the bios revision, whether you are using the am2 dughter card, or if
you have the correct ram and enough power. and the jmicron sataII
controller can be a flakey **** if you don't use the correct driver for it.
kind or reminds me of the rocket raid controllers of old that almost
demanded the driver and the bios version be the same for it to entertain the
idea or working correctly.

even though os 1 and 2 work and 3 doesn't, it doesn't mean it is the os's
fault. it usually comes down to the fact the installer has not investigated
the problem far enough and has just decided "this sucks" as you have done.

plus, no one has a tenacious grip on anything like you linux fellas, just
merely pointing out the fact there is more than likely operator error in
this case. besides, do you even have a clue what AIX is?

 

[Moonbat]

luck of the draw, incorrect drivers, or just trying to set up an operating
system with the system out of spec can but not always cause errors.

actually i have used the board in question and it can also depend on the
fact of the bios revision, whether you are using the am2 dughter card, or
if you have the correct ram and enough power. and the jmicron sataII
controller can be a flakey **** if you don't use the correct driver for
it. kind or reminds me of the rocket raid controllers of old that almost
demanded the driver and the bios version be the same for it to entertain
the idea or working correctly.

I like the board quite a bit. I looked it up before I bought it, and ONE
GUY was pissed because he broke one of the SATA headers foof trying to
install the cable.

Hmmm...one guy griping, eh....?

No, I'm not using the daughter card (yet), no SATA, latest BIOS, etc.
But, now that it's installed, it's working at speed with one small
problem...when I right-click on the desktop, sometimes a small pice of the
menu never closes, and the last time about 1/16 of the taskbar was at the
TOP of the screen! Most likely video drivers.

And the reason I got this board was so I could use my DDR RAM and the AGP
card I had just bought 4 weeks earlier. That, and it's basically an ASUS,
and after building hundreds of systems using a lot of ASUS boards, the
only one I ever had fail was...one I built for myself...

even though os 1 and 2 work and 3 doesn't, it doesn't mean it is the os's
fault. it usually comes down to the fact the installer has not
investigated the problem far enough and has just decided "this sucks" as
you have done.

I was steamed because this happened on this system, the system before it
and my Thinkpad. This system and the one before it installed after
knocking back the clock speed, the Thinkpad...????

plus, no one has a tenacious grip on anything like you linux fellas, just
merely pointing out the fact there is more than likely operator error in
this case. besides, do you even have a clue what AIX is?

I'm not all that tenacious on Linux, although I *DO* use it more often
than Windows.

One place where I was working they were talking about switching to Linux
if they could get their propreitary Visual Basic app ported over. I
quickly talked them out of that! With the mish-mash of hardware being used
around the company, getting things like printers, scanners, cameras, etc
may have been an absolute logistics nightmare! Just the printers alone was
enough to get them off that idea, since we had about 10 different models
of 3 different brands!


If you have a basic operation, can use canned or home-brew software, and
have 100% compatible hardware, UNIX / Linux can be quite useful. A lot of
my clients when I was repairing printers were using UNIX, and the majority
of them were doing bookkeeping and billing printing on OKIData printers.
Nice setup. Works bulletproof!

But not ready for everyone...


My absoulte favorite OS's were '95 OSR 2.5, NT 4.0 and Win2K, in that
order. Too bad MS had to give up on 4.0, it was the best for most apps but
games.

 

[sbb78247]

I like the board quite a bit. I looked it up before I bought it, and
ONE GUY was pissed because he broke one of the SATA headers foof
trying to install the cable.

Hmmm...one guy griping, eh....?

No, I'm not using the daughter card (yet), no SATA, latest BIOS, etc.
But, now that it's installed, it's working at speed with one small
problem...when I right-click on the desktop, sometimes a small pice
of the menu never closes, and the last time about 1/16 of the taskbar
was at the TOP of the screen! Most likely video drivers.

probably - don't use the control center for the ati card - it's crap. if
the card is supported in the older versions of the driver that used the
control panel then you will be better off performance wise since it does not
use .net for no apparent reason. this sounds like the rig i did a while
back with this board except it was a radeon 9800. you could get about
400mhz overclock on air without any fancy settings or anything, which is
good since there aren't many.

And the reason I got this board was so I could use my DDR RAM and the
AGP card I had just bought 4 weeks earlier. That, and it's basically
an ASUS, and after building hundreds of systems using a lot of ASUS
boards, the only one I ever had fail was...one I built for myself...

its's not a bad board, but it is not a good overclocker. see the writeups
on tom's hardware and anandtech

I was steamed because this happened on this system, the system before
it and my Thinkpad. This system and the one before it installed after
knocking back the clock speed, the Thinkpad...????

nice to see you calm down, it's bad for the blood pressure.

I'm not all that tenacious on Linux, although I *DO* use it more often
than Windows.

fooled with linux a bit and really it seems that alot of it is the same just
called something different.

One place where I was working they were talking about switching to
Linux if they could get their propreitary Visual Basic app ported
over. I quickly talked them out of that! With the mish-mash of
hardware being used around the company, getting things like printers,
scanners, cameras, etc may have been an absolute logistics nightmare!
Just the printers alone was enough to get them off that idea, since
we had about 10 different models of 3 different brands!

that is why people use windows so much so they can make all that mish-mash
talk together easily. you have to admit that it is nice not spending half
the day just getting all of the different printers or whatever to work on a
network.

If you have a basic operation, can use canned or home-brew software,
and have 100% compatible hardware, UNIX / Linux can be quite useful.
A lot of my clients when I was repairing printers were using UNIX,
and the majority of them were doing bookkeeping and billing printing
on OKIData printers. Nice setup. Works bulletproof!

But not ready for everyone...

true, but the okis are the easiest to set up for this application.

My absoulte favorite OS's were '95 OSR 2.5, NT 4.0 and Win2K, in that
order. Too bad MS had to give up on 4.0, it was the best for most
apps but games.

still have a whole school on w2k that me and another guy look after. there
is the odd xp box, so the kids get to learn old school windows and the newer
version too. vista is out of the question with the majority of the systems
at this location.

 

[Moonbat]

probably - don't use the control center for the ati card - it's crap. if
the card is supported in the older versions of the driver that used the
control panel then you will be better off performance wise since it does
not use .net for no apparent reason. this sounds like the rig i did a
while back with this board except it was a radeon 9800. you could get
about 400mhz overclock on air without any fancy settings or anything,
which is good since there aren't many.

Ya know, I was having trouble with the other XP setup, uninstalled the
provided drivers and went to download them from ATi (The board is actually
a Diamond). I went to install it and it told me I needed to upgrade .Net.
Huh? Why the HELL do I want .Net for a video driver?! So I went to the
archives and downloaded and older version without it and it installed and
worked just fine!

But, because I have a weird monitor, I have to use their panel to set the
modes. Windows won't let me run 70Hz @ 1600x1200...

its's not a bad board, but it is not a good overclocker. see the writeups
on tom's hardware and anandtech

I had a Soyo Dragon before this, and that thing was tweakable to the MAX!
You could overclock anything independantly of anything else. That was the
only disappointment with the ASRock, because too many things are tied
together. You have to fart around with it until you hit the right setting
for bus speed, memory and CPU. And I did read them before I bought it...it
came down to price and the daughtercard.

nice to see you calm down, it's bad for the blood pressure.

LOL! You should have been sitting here on the third failed reboot!!

fooled with linux a bit and really it seems that alot of it is the same
just called something different.

Once you understand how it operates, it's not bad. And it is a lot more
configurable than Windows! Everything runs from scripts, so if you have a
problem you find the correct script and tweak it.

The File System is a PITA! On some distributions, this app is located
under USR, and on others it's located under OPT. Who the hell knows?! The
thing that really pisses me off is if I click something and it says, there
is no default action; please choose a program, and then having to drill
down through the directory structure to find what you want. But I use
Gnome; KDE has a list of apps like Windows.

And also, when it comes to 'customizing' the desktop, you can't beat KDE!

that is why people use windows so much so they can make all that
mish-mash talk together easily. you have to admit that it is nice not
spending half the day just getting all of the different printers or
whatever to work on a network.

Man, you got that right! Well, for the most part. We had a couple of HP
printers with Jet-Direct hubs that just did NOT want to appear on the
network! We messed with them for half a day before we got the right
settings on the server for them to be seen.

But then we had a MASSIVE Color LaserJet, hooked it up, turned on the
JetDirect, tapped into the server and it fired right up. It was the same
JD module as the other two!

But overall, you don't need a degree in CS to set up hardware on a Windows
network, I will agree.

true, but the okis are the easiest to set up for this application.

Yup. They fall right into place.

still have a whole school on w2k that me and another guy look after.
there is the odd xp box, so the kids get to learn old school windows and
the newer version too. vista is out of the question with the majority
of the systems at this location.

(Um, from what I've seen, Vista will be out of the question for a LOT of
organizations!) I was really looking forward to it, but was severly
disappointed with the outcome. But, just like 98, the next iteration
should be really good.

 

[dgk]

Ya know, I was having trouble with the other XP setup, uninstalled the
provided drivers and went to download them from ATi (The board is actually
a Diamond). I went to install it and it told me I needed to upgrade .Net.
Huh? Why the HELL do I want .Net for a video driver?! So I went to the
archives and downloaded and older version without it and it installed and
worked just fine!

But, because I have a weird monitor, I have to use their panel to set the
modes. Windows won't let me run 70Hz @ 1600x1200...

It isn't for the video driver, it's for the supporting software, the
pretty user interface. Many programs are using .Net now and more will
in the future. Vista comes with version 3.0 already installed. What is
the problem with installing it? It's like a java virtual machine, you
have that installed, right? So java programs can work. It's like all
sorts of DLLs that allow the C programs running on your computer to
work. It's like good old Basrun that allowed older Basic programs to
work.

 

[sbb78247]

It isn't for the video driver, it's for the supporting software, the
pretty user interface. Many programs are using .Net now and more will
in the future. Vista comes with version 3.0 already installed. What is
the problem with installing it? It's like a java virtual machine, you
have that installed, right? So java programs can work. It's like all
sorts of DLLs that allow the C programs running on your computer to
work. It's like good old Basrun that allowed older Basic programs to
work.

with some of the older design ati cards they will run with this .net driver
but they appear to do it much more slowly than without it. plus by the tme
you get through futzing about with the control center you would have been
finished with control panel long ago.

maybe these drivers are great with the new generation of ati cards, but they
seem to be a real pain in the arse with the older generation.

but like always YMMV


--
sbb78247

resident redneck alt.os.windows-vista
alt.os.windows-xp


you aint from around here, are ya' boy

 

[Test Man]

Dunno what the problem is, you can download ATI drivers without the Control
Panel. It's the Control Panel that requires .NET Framework, NOT the driver.
So you don't need to dowload old drivers, download the latest sans Control
Panel (the "Driver Only" package).

 

[sbb78247]

Ya know, I was having trouble with the other XP setup, uninstalled the
provided drivers and went to download them from ATi (The board is
actually a Diamond). I went to install it and it told me I needed to
upgrade .Net. Huh? Why the HELL do I want .Net for a video driver?!
So I went to the archives and downloaded and older version without it
and it installed and worked just fine!

But, because I have a weird monitor, I have to use their panel to set
the modes. Windows won't let me run 70Hz @ 1600x1200...

what monitor?

I had a Soyo Dragon before this, and that thing was tweakable to the
MAX! You could overclock anything independantly of anything else.
That was the only disappointment with the ASRock, because too many
things are tied together. You have to fart around with it until you
hit the right setting for bus speed, memory and CPU. And I did read
them before I bought it...it came down to price and the daughtercard.

not to sure about the daughter card now with the fact the core2s are so
strong and kicking the am2s arse all over the place.

LOL! You should have been sitting here on the third failed reboot!!

try a shot of whiskey and come back to it with a clear relaxed mind. if
that does not help, have another and you won't give a damn.

Once you understand how it operates, it's not bad. And it is a lot
more configurable than Windows! Everything runs from scripts, so if
you have a problem you find the correct script and tweak it.

The File System is a PITA! On some distributions, this app is located
under USR, and on others it's located under OPT. Who the hell knows?!
The thing that really pisses me off is if I click something and it
says, there is no default action; please choose a program, and then
having to drill down through the directory structure to find what you
want. But I use Gnome; KDE has a list of apps like Windows.

And also, when it comes to 'customizing' the desktop, you can't beat
KDE!


Man, you got that right! Well, for the most part. We had a couple of
HP printers with Jet-Direct hubs that just did NOT want to appear on
the network! We messed with them for half a day before we got the
right settings on the server for them to be seen.

But then we had a MASSIVE Color LaserJet, hooked it up, turned on the
JetDirect, tapped into the server and it fired right up. It was the
same JD module as the other two!

But overall, you don't need a degree in CS to set up hardware on a
Windows network, I will agree.


Yup. They fall right into place.


(Um, from what I've seen, Vista will be out of the question for a LOT
of organizations!) I was really looking forward to it, but was severly
disappointed with the outcome. But, just like 98, the next iteration
should be really good.

with vista wait for the first service pack which pretty much was what 98se
was anyway


--
sbb78247

resident redneck alt.os.windows-vista
alt.os.windows-xp


you aint from around here, are ya' boy

 

[sbb78247]

Dunno what the problem is, you can download ATI drivers without the
Control Panel. It's the Control Panel that requires .NET Framework,
NOT the driver. So you don't need to dowload old drivers, download
the latest sans Control Panel (the "Driver Only" package).

you mean control center, right? control panel is the old school setup.

then if you don't download either then you miss the oportunity to take full
advantage of the card's features.

net still sucks no matter what


--
sbb78247

resident redneck alt.os.windows-vista
alt.os.windows-xp


you aint from around here, are ya' boy

 

[Moonbat]

what monitor?

One of the guys I was working with's wife worked at UVermont and they had
a whole bunch of old computers that they were getting rid of. We were in
desparate need of spares, so we took them. There were a few Compaqs and a
couple Quantex, and the Quantex had 19" monitors. It took me a while to
get it going in both Windows and Linux. Then, one day before I left the
company, I was looking through one of the hard drives and found the INF
file. Since then it's been OK. They were made by a Taiwanese company that
begins with "A"...addonics or something. I couldn't get the Bling-Bling
desktop to work in SuSE until I found a monitor model that was close.
Wouldn't work as a VESA monitor.

Oh, and I saw you mentioned a 9800 in another post. I bought one on E-Bay
for $50, no cooling fan. Plugged it in. Have you ever seen the characters
on the POST/BIOS screen MELT!!! I mean, really! They just ran down the
screen, changing colors as they did! DAMN! I thought it was the 70's all
over again!

Guy was good though! Refunded my money, in full, no questions asked!

not to sure about the daughter card now with the fact the core2s are so
strong and kicking the am2s arse all over the place.

My first AMD was a 386-40; then I went to a 486DV-33 I clocked up to 50
MHz. The next one after that was an AMD K6 clocked from 400 to 450, and
then an Athlon 1.8 clocked to 2.3. I was looking at the Intel that Tom's
wrote about...I think it was a 2.4 that you can clock to 4 with proper
cooling!!! But in the end I went with AMD because of the direct memory
addressing and higher performance from a lower clock speed.

try a shot of whiskey and come back to it with a clear relaxed mind. if
that does not help, have another and you won't give a damn.

Crown Royal. Always makes me happy! But then, who cares about computers!
That's when I usually pick up my bass...

 

[sbb78247]

One of the guys I was working with's wife worked at UVermont and they
had a whole bunch of old computers that they were getting rid of. We
were in desparate need of spares, so we took them. There were a few
Compaqs and a couple Quantex, and the Quantex had 19" monitors. It
took me a while to get it going in both Windows and Linux. Then, one
day before I left the company, I was looking through one of the hard
drives and found the INF file. Since then it's been OK. They were
made by a Taiwanese company that begins with "A"...addonics or
something. I couldn't get the Bling-Bling desktop to work in SuSE
until I found a monitor model that was close. Wouldn't work as a VESA
monitor.

Oh, and I saw you mentioned a 9800 in another post. I bought one on
E-Bay for $50, no cooling fan. Plugged it in. Have you ever seen the
characters on the POST/BIOS screen MELT!!! I mean, really! They just
ran down the screen, changing colors as they did! DAMN! I thought it
was the 70's all over again!

Guy was good though! Refunded my money, in full, no questions asked!

9800 without a fan???? who made such a thing? or was it someone's "mod"
running without any cooling on that chip is definitely a recipe for
disaster.

as far as melting go, nope! have not seen that since the late 70s myself
either.

My first AMD was a 386-40; then I went to a 486DV-33 I clocked up to
50 MHz. The next one after that was an AMD K6 clocked from 400 to
450, and then an Athlon 1.8 clocked to 2.3. I was looking at the
Intel that Tom's wrote about...I think it was a 2.4 that you can
clock to 4 with proper cooling!!! But in the end I went with AMD
because of the direct memory addressing and higher performance from a
lower clock speed.

they are a good product, but i just saw with my own eyes what a simple 6300
core2 can do without any boost in clock speed. it will be jumped up shortly
from the 1066 fsb to ????? but it is quick right now at stock speeds.

 

[Moonbat]

9800 without a fan???? who made such a thing? or was it someone's "mod"
running without any cooling on that chip is definitely a recipe for
disaster.

Um, it was broken. That's why it was $50. I put a medium sized CPU fan on
it, but I guess the lack of fan frazzled the chip. Like I said, he gave me
my money back before he even sent me an e-mail saying he gave me my money
back!!

as far as melting go, nope! have not seen that since the late 70s myself
either.

It was most decidedly cool!

 

[Martin Bauer]

Do you think you could avoid the full-quote next time?
That'd be great, really great!

 

[sbb78247]

Do you think you could avoid the full-quote next time?
That'd be great, really great!

piss off you moaning twit!

 

[dgk]

you mean control center, right? control panel is the old school setup.

then if you don't download either then you miss the oportunity to take full
advantage of the card's features.

net still sucks no matter what

Is your statement supported by any facts? In what way does .net suck?