Why Vista is great - and people need to stop looking for things...

[Justin]

The entire point of my post was to indicate that a quick, responsive,
great performing computer, under XP and 2003 Server, is brought to its
knees under Vista.

If that was the direct point of your posts then OF COURSE!!! That "can"
happen. This is a brand new OS. Hardware support is NEW. We are breaking
ground here. However just because it "can" happen doesn't mean it HAS to
happen.

Vista given the right driver support runs FASTER THEN XP.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect Vista to be fast, and I'm not
disapointed from what I see, but, it's a clear shame that they could not
get at least a good level of performance out of something that they
already had working so well.

Trust me, people just like you say all the same things every time a new OS
is released. People bought XP and it was the biggest POS that anyone had
ever seen. After all, you installed it and it CRASHED!!! What happened a
year later? People fell in love it!

Vista given the right driver support runs FASTER THEN XP.

 

[Justin]

Does your mommy know you posting here kid?

Wow, you're wittiness is just too much to handle.

 

[Adam Albright]

Wow, there's a "no shit" statement for you! What part of this have you NOT
been following along with? Drivers, drivers, drivers!!!! You need to learn
what those are. I've specifically built Vista capable machines. I have
machines that can run Vista just fine. So OF COURSE I'm running different
"software" then those that don't work. Thanks for stating the obvious!

No, I base that on the fact that HE mentioned having nothing but THE BEST
Intel hardware. Damn dude, you really need to follow along better. Wake
up!

My guess is you're about 14. Shouldn't you be in school at this hour
kid?

 

[Justin]

Actually its a MARKETING tool that tells nearly everybody your system
will support Vista and oh, by the way, while I (Vista Upgrade Advisor)
don't understand the list of drivers I'm showing you I see on your XP
system that works fine they "shouldn't" present any problems, wink,
wink once you upgrade to Vista. No, not until you ACTUALLY BUY Vista
then try to install Vista then those "not a issue" drivers the Vista
Upgrade Advisor glossed over and said wouldn't be a big deal, often
BECOME a big enough deal to crash the Vista installer and dump you to
a BSOD screen frequently at the 21% point.

Time will tell. You'll just have to wait. Take every machine that the
advisor said was OK, wait for new drivers and you'll see the new found
truth.

I'm guessing you didn't have to deal with this issue. Ignorance is
bliss isn't it.

Wow, how original. I already said this about you. Wow.....or something.

 

[Opinicus]

You mean you're dumb enough to buy the basic upgrade? Heck, I thought
people would understand you start at Home Premium.

What, exactly, does Home Premium give me that Home Basic doesn't?

Oh and let me add "Justifies the price difference?"

 

[Eric]

At first I thought you where kidding. You're not?

Do you mean RAM or Video RAM? I couldn't find any video cards on the
market that had that much memory. The newly released Nvidia 8800GTX only
has 768MB (only...that's funny).

For system memory, I have two machines with 512MB and they run fine but
are more hesitant then the my 1GB machines. My 2GB machines don't run any
better then the 1GB machines nor does my 4GB machine at home.

My machine at home is the 8800GTX as well as one machine at work. The
rest all have 256MB of video RAM and those running Aero, run fine.

Yes I was talking about a GB of video RAM.
Oddly, the 8800 is the highest numbered card so apparently it's their newest
card, and it "only" has 768MB.
Do you know anything about video cards, or do you have that one and assume
that is the most RAM any card has?
Do some research. Try nVivia.com.
The GeForce 7950 (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7950.html) has 1 GB.
I don't know why the newer card has less. Maybe they changed the
architechture that you can do more with less. I just know that 64 MB of
video RAM seemed like a lot about 5 years ago, and 256 MB will probably look
pretty low in about 5 years..

One of the advantages of Vista is supposed to be that it can make use of the
video RAM.

 

[Eric]

I posted that set from a laptop, and if you had been reading this thread,
you would know that I was also testing on a laptop. You might also see
that the issue, at least from score, is not Hard Disk performance, at
least I don't believe a 4.4 is all that bad (certainly not great).

Just so you don't miss it again, it's a laptop that I was testing, and in
case you don't understand, it's a laptop with a full P4 3.2g hyper
threaded CPU, not one of those crappy mobile CPU's.

Now, before you show your zealotry, look at the part you missed "This
laptop is less than 1 year old" - And I could not find a good 120GB 7200
RPC drive that would fit in this laptop.

I'm not sure what those scores mean or if they're even relevant to whether
Vista can run smoothly or not. I haven't researched hard drives for laptops
lately. I know 7200 RPM is the slowest drive for a desktop and has been for
years. I thought laptops were more up to speed than that. I've just
noticed you arguing with a guy who seems to be using a desktop, saying his
system runs smoothly and yours doesn't. I wonder how many people having
issues with Vista are trying to run it on laptops...

 

[Eric]

Actually its a MARKETING tool that tells nearly everybody your system
will support Vista and oh, by the way, while I (Vista Upgrade Advisor)
don't understand the list of drivers I'm showing you I see on your XP
system that works fine they "shouldn't" present any problems, wink,
wink once you upgrade to Vista. No, not until you ACTUALLY BUY Vista
then try to install Vista then those "not a issue" drivers the Vista
Upgrade Advisor glossed over and said wouldn't be a big deal, often
BECOME a big enough deal to crash the Vista installer and dump you to
a BSOD screen frequently at the 21% point.

I'm guessing you didn't have to deal with this issue. Ignorance is
bliss isn't it.

Are you having problems running Vista too? I thought you were arguing with
the guy who was having problems...
I believe he (Leythos) said he ran the Upgrade Advisor and thought his
system would run smoothly because that program said it's ok...
I believe he did say his system runs, just not smoothly...
I don't recall the Upgrade Advisor saying a system would run smoothly, just
that it would run...

 

[Justin]

The justified part will depend on your opinion

Features Premium has over Basic:

Aero
Media Center
DVD Maker
Tablet PC Functions
Scheduled Backup

 

[Justin]

Do you know anything about video cards, or do you have that one and assume
that is the most RAM any card has?
Do some research. Try nVivia.com.

I did. I searched for cards that came with 1GB of memory and found none.

The GeForce 7950 (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7950.html) has 1 GB.

Actually it does and it doesn't. Unfortunately anyone that reads that page
will be a victim of marketing hype. While the card has a total of 1GB of
memory, it's doesn't get used in the manor you would think. Each GPU has
512MB available to it but that memory is not used collectively.

Many critics frowned on the amount of memory the 8800GTX came with
complaining that it was too much thus making the card more expensive then it
should have been. I believe Nvidia responded with another model with less
memory on the GTX level but I have not heard anything more on that. However
given time with DX10 I feel the memory will be well worth the money.

I don't know why the newer card has less. Maybe they changed the
architechture that you can do more with less.

See above.

I just know that 64 MB of video RAM seemed like a lot about 5 years ago,
and 256 MB will probably look pretty low in about 5 years..

Absolutely!

However 1GB of video memory is not needed for all the bells and whistles.
256MB will work just fine. FOR VISTA. I need to add that part in there
before Adam rears his ugly head and tells us 256MB is not enough to run X
game on Vista without having it BSOD (yes the BSOD part makes no sense,
neither does he).

 

[Adam Albright]

Damn dude, you truly are stupid.

So? What's your point? Who said anything about applications? We're
talking about Vista as an OS.

You're so funny kid. I know nobody that just installs a OS. Every
person I know bought a computer to run applications besides what
included with the OS. Tell us you don't just stare at the new Windows
desktop all day and you actually do something besides make a ass of
yourself in this newsgroup.

For example some may think I'm just goofing off posting here, but as
I'm writing this I'm also rendering a hour long vidieo in Vegas, I'm
also reburning my entire CD library of Classic Rock'Roll (over 100
CD's) using Roxio's Creator 9, and catching up on my email at at the
same time. See kid, the first two jobs take time so they're running in
the background, when Windows gives me a little audio cue I know its
time to pop in another CD to be copied, so I actually know how to USE
my computer. Don't you wish you did?

Are you trying to tell us you need 1GB of
video RAM to run Office? You came into a conversation not even knowing what
we're talking about. Think man, THINK!

Now you're tying to put words in my mouth. You need a lot of RAM to do
what I do... a lot of video editing and graphic enhancement type of
tasks, writing Flash web pages, etc.. I bet you still use Microsoft's
paint program. You see kid if you use top of the line software it runs
faster if you give it more memory otherwise it is constantly swaping
out to the hard drive which slows you down. Ditto if you do
multitasking, which I always do. Rarely do I have less then 5 or 6
applications all running at once. More RAM helps.

In regards to how much memory a machine needs to run, compatibility of third
party apps to Vista is of no concern. Seems you have no point here. Or did
you have an agenda with this comment? Because that would be a pretty big
LOSER thing to do.

Did anybody mention today you sound like a idiot? EVERYTHING Vista
does or doesn't do revolves around what hardware you have installed
and what software you use. Compatibility issues ARE critical. You'd
know that if you actully used your computer for anything besides the
Mickey Mouse stuff you apparantly do.

The one with the agenda seems to be you. No matter how much factual
information you are presented with you keep repeating the same tune,
Vista is wonderful, it works great for you, so everybody else must be
nuts if they have issues with it.

More extensive then 8800GTX and 4GB of memory? If stroking yourself feels
that good then by all means, please DO IT IN PRIVATE!

Compassion towards what? I was having a conversation with Eric you twit!

Again you confirm your ignorance. If you want to have a conversaton
with Eric, I suggest you use email, then it will be private. When you
post to a public newsgroup ANYBODY may comment in the same thread
you're posting too.

I was clearing up the 1GB of video memory mentioned. I can not believe how
much of an idiot you are! It's amazing!!!

You have a mirror near by? Look in it if you want to see a idiot. This
thread spans a wide variety of topics. What you are presently
blabbering about doesn't limit what others posting to this thread are
also discussing.

 

[Adam Albright]

If that was the direct point of your posts then OF COURSE!!! That "can"
happen. This is a brand new OS. Hardware support is NEW. We are breaking
ground here. However just because it "can" happen doesn't mean it HAS to
happen.

You forgot to say "this is a recording". Apparently the only thing
that can pentrate your thick skull is a stray gamma ray or two every
once in awhile. <wink>

Did it ever occur to you a lot of people come to newsgroups like this
to read about other people's experiences with Vista and base their
decision on if or not to upgrade now on what other problems other
people are having? Guys that post nothing but Vista is wonderful,
nothing wrong with it, you can't get it to work like I did, means your
nuts, or oh, oh, get new drivers are mostly ignored or just played

Vista given the right driver support runs FASTER THEN XP.

Trust me, people just like you say all the same things every time a new OS
is released. People bought XP and it was the biggest POS that anyone had
ever seen. After all, you installed it and it CRASHED!!! What happened a
year later? People fell in love it!

Vista given the right driver support runs FASTER THEN XP.

You base that observation on what install base? You make it sound like
you have all kinds of software installed and it all zips along great
under Vista. We already established you have no such thing. All you're
doing is parroting what you've heard or read, which for all we know
could be nothing but BS. So you contribute little if anything to the
conversation.

Now if you want to be objective, write a post, list what applications
and hardware you've tested under your install of Vista and maybe you
can begin to restore your creditibilty. Till then, you're just making
a lot of noise. But, you are fun to play with. <giggle>

 

[Justin]

That was a whole bunch of nothing.

1. We're talking about VIDEO RAM REQUIREMENTS FOR VISTA. What part of that
is your feeble mind not able to understand?

2. How many apps YOU run at one time has nothing to do with how well Vista
does or does not run with various hardware and drivers. The original topic
in the OTHER BRANCH of this thread was about idiots who runs apps not
intended for Vista then bitch about them not working. YOU took off on this
new thread of how you run a million apps at once and you are the most
powerful user in the world....blah blah blah. Honestly, no one gives a shit
about you. No one cares.

3. You have gotten yourself so far out in left field that you are now having
an argument with yourself. Nothing you posted has anything to do with what
we're talking about.

Here's an example:

You wrote:
"Now you're tying to put words in my mouth. You need a lot of RAM to do what
I do... "

A. No one cares what do you with a computer.
B. We're talking about VIDEO RAM not RAM you Moron!

People "were" complaining about how VISTA runs on it's OWN. As an OS.
Performing Vista tasks. Using the software that comes with Vista. They use
the claim that if Vista can't run on it's own then how can it run any of
their apps. All my responses have been to THAT CLAIM specifically.
However:

1. The fact that you can't stay WITHIN SCOPE of a conversation is a major
flaw on your part.
2. THAT WAS IN ANOTHER THREAD!

So, either get on topic or STFU!

 

[Adam Albright]

Time will tell. You'll just have to wait. Take every machine that the
advisor said was OK, wait for new drivers and you'll see the new found
truth.

Again, sadly, you seem confused. Let me spell it out for you.

Microsoft has made a big deal about FIRST running their free Vista
Update Advisor. People do. It tells them it is ok to install Vista,
their present system supports it. It may list some drivers or software
it claims won't present a problem. People then go out and buy a copy
of Vista, start to install it only to find out that the very same
drivers the Vista Advisor said wouldn't cause problems, DO present a
problem, so severe in some cases trying to actually install Vista you
get dumped to a BSOD and the install process stops unfinished. If
you're lucky you still have XP on your system. If not, you have
nothing.

Your response is; Just wait. I hope Microsoft pays you well for being
a shill for them. Somehow I think they could do better hiring a
trained chimpanzee. Of course I know Microsoft doesn't pay you or
anyone else to front for them, so that begs the question why you and
others here seem to enjoy doing what you do only to have far more
experienced users make mincemeat out of everything you've said. You
into S&M too?

My point is a lot of people know what to do when presented with a
BSOD. I got one on my first attempt at installing Vista. I quickly
researched the BSOD message, disabled the drives that may have caused
it and tried again and got a successful install on my second try.

Joe Average won't be that lucky. He'll get a BSOD, then spend the next
three days trying to figure out what to do then in disgust try to get
his money back from where it bought his copy of Vista, get told they
don't take back opened software, then curse Microsoft and probably not
know the address to send it back to them for a refund if he doesn't
understand how to get past the BSOD error. Again your response is Just
wait. Priceless!

 

[Justin]

Did it ever occur to you a lot of people come to newsgroups like this
to read about other people's experiences with Vista and base their
decision on if or not to upgrade now on what other problems other
people are having? Guys that post nothing but Vista is wonderful,
nothing wrong with it, you can't get it to work like I did, means your
nuts, or oh, oh, get new drivers are mostly ignored or just played
with like I'm playing with you. <giggle>

Holy crap! You are truly the dumbest person on the face of the planet.

People who based a decision on inappropriate information is something that
needs to be cleared up.

I never said Vista had NOTHING wrong it. You're showing your drama queen
side again. However, poor driver support IS NOT A REFLECTION on Vista.

Just because YOU install Vista on improper hardware and you have it crash
left and right does not mean Vista has something wrong with it. The problem
is YOU (most likely), not Vista.

You base that observation on what install base? You make it sound like
you have all kinds of software installed and it all zips along great
under Vista. We already established you have no such thing. All you're
doing is parroting what you've heard or read, which for all we know
could be nothing but BS. So you contribute little if anything to the
conversation.

If that helps you through the day then good for you.

http://support.microsoft.com:80/default.aspx/kb/933305

Now if you want to be objective, write a post, list what applications
and hardware you've tested under your install of Vista and maybe you
can begin to restore your creditibilty. Till then, you're just making
a lot of noise. But, you are fun to play with. <giggle>

Restore? Hahahaha. Myself as well as others have already given their
opinion of you.

So according to you need I need to constantly post all the software I use?
Why? Because it would suit you? That would make for a rather large
signature. Where's YOUR list of software? If this is the only defense
mechanisms you have then you are screwed!

But, just to humor you, here's the all the major ones:
Office 2007
Photoshop
Illustrator
Premiere
SAP (I don't expect you to know what this is)
Visual Studio
Sony Veags
Roxio

However NONE of these unless certified for Vista means squat if they run
well or not. You keep implying that it does. That's BS. Premiere and
Vegas don't run very well at all on my system but that doesn't means Vista
is LESS of an OS then XP. It means those third party devs need to get off
their ass and fix their apps for Vista.

 

[Justin]

It tells them it is ok to install Vista,

WWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It tells them Vista can run on their system. How many posts have you seen
where someone could not boot to desktop? Not many! Now whether or not
Vista will continue to be stable on their system will depend on hardware
SUPPORT. I don't know what world you live in but MS is not responsible for
hardware.

Seems you want MS to be responsible for the job YOU should have done
yourself. This is very pathetic of you. So if I run out and buy a version
of Linux for my PC only to have it fail miserably on my machine should I
whine and cry at the developer? Nope, why? Because they would scold me for
not making sure my hardware had proper driver support.

The Upgrade Advisor was a TOOL to be used along with your own research.

I didn't even read the rest of your nonsense.

 

[Eric]

You're so funny kid. I know nobody that just installs a OS. Every
person I know bought a computer to run applications besides what
included with the OS. Tell us you don't just stare at the new Windows
desktop all day and you actually do something besides make a ass of
yourself in this newsgroup.

For example some may think I'm just goofing off posting here, but as
I'm writing this I'm also rendering a hour long vidieo in Vegas, I'm
also reburning my entire CD library of Classic Rock'Roll (over 100
CD's) using Roxio's Creator 9, and catching up on my email at at the
same time. See kid, the first two jobs take time so they're running in
the background, when Windows gives me a little audio cue I know its
time to pop in another CD to be copied, so I actually know how to USE
my computer. Don't you wish you did?

Actually, this is a newsgroup to discuss the OS, not the applications. No
doubt the OS will run smoother with the right hardware, and will probably
run better on some applications and worse on others, at least until they get
more driver updates for it.

Now you're tying to put words in my mouth. You need a lot of RAM to do
what I do... a lot of video editing and graphic enhancement type of
tasks, writing Flash web pages, etc.. I bet you still use Microsoft's
paint program. You see kid if you use top of the line software it runs
faster if you give it more memory otherwise it is constantly swaping
out to the hard drive which slows you down. Ditto if you do
multitasking, which I always do. Rarely do I have less then 5 or 6
applications all running at once. More RAM helps.

Actually he did put words in your mouth because I was the one who suggested
Vista should run smoother with more video RAM.
More video RAM does help in Vista if you do a lot on screen. Running
programs like your CD burning in the background use system RAM.
You may need to use the Aero theme to make use of the "more efficient
processing with more video RAM".

Did anybody mention today you sound like a idiot? EVERYTHING Vista
does or doesn't do revolves around what hardware you have installed
and what software you use. Compatibility issues ARE critical. You'd
know that if you actully used your computer for anything besides the
Mickey Mouse stuff you apparantly do.

The one with the agenda seems to be you. No matter how much factual
information you are presented with you keep repeating the same tune,
Vista is wonderful, it works great for you, so everybody else must be
nuts if they have issues with it.

That seems to be the biggest problem so far. Vista works great for some
people, not so great for others. It depends on what hardware you have and
what programs you're trying to run. Apparently there is a configuration
that Vista will run on, and an optimal configuration. I believe that
Upgrade Advisor tells you it will run, not so much how efficiently it might
run. Again it seems to be from the drivers. As they release updates, it
should run more efficiently with other hardware and software combinations.

 

[jjwassermann]

to complain about!

Wow, do you people love to complain about great products. Go ahead, stop
your crying if you don't like Vista. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Go use
a "wonderful" Mac, or use Linux and see where you get.

I'm sick of ignorant people bashing a great product. WHY? Because you've 1)
probably never used it, and have heard some kid who probably tried to pirate
a copy complain about something 2) think that YOU should obtain main years of
hard work in the form of software - FREE (go use Linux, you'll see the
quality of programming and level of hardware and software support for that
OS... it has NO place on a Home Desktop system -- web server? Sure) 3) You
just like looking for things to complain about and are afraid of change.

Get over yourselves! Vista by FAR is the best OS to date, bar none. There
are no hugely glaring issues, and hopefully IT WILL force people with dated
hardwar eto upgrade... its good for the industry and consumer as a whole
incase some of you cannot see the larger picture here instead of your "right
here, right now" crying nonsense.

Get with the program. Either enjoy the best OS created to date, or get lost
and use whatever else you want. Go cry somewhere else... for the rest of the
people also who might actually ENJOY Vista, don't ruin it for them with your
BS and 'cause Microsoft to lose out on a sale because you're talking from
your nether regions.

Get real... Vista is awesome.

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GREAT POST!!!!!
Vista is fantastic and the people who are slamming it have no clue.
Most likely a bunch a of Linux krackpots have invaded the group.

 

[B Gruff]

GREAT POST!!!!!
Vista is fantastic and the people who are slamming it have no clue.
Most likely a bunch a of Linux krackpots have invaded the group.

FANTASTIC!!!

WONDERFUL satire, guys - keep it coming - I couldn't stop laughing!

 

[chrisv]

Vista is fantastic and

*plonk*