When is Microsoft going to fix the issue with Routers that do SPI?

[Pipboy]

Some routers that have stateful packet inspection have an issue with Vista,
Vista is taking five minutes or more to acquire the routers IP address.
Apparently it is caused by SPI in the router and the suggested fix is to
disable SPI. That's if your router allows you to disable SPI. One of the
reasons I bought a router was for SPI so there is no way in hell I am
disabling it. There is no way in hell I am buying a new router to fix it
either. This issie existed in Vista beta and it is still there in the
final. How is this an improved network stack? This is unacceptable so get
off your ass and fix it Microsoft. Please!

 

[Scott]

This is unacceptable so get off your ass and fix it Microsoft. Please!

You tell 'em boy!
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[Pipboy]

You tell 'em boy!

Hehe..you think thay sat up and took note?

 

[Dale White]

Not that it's a desirable fix if you have a laptop, but if there are just
desktop machines, are you oppose to just giving them a hard coded IP address
? I'm sure I'm the odd man out here, but except for my laptop, all the PCs
(4), Xbox360 and Wii got a hard IP address.

Maybe your router will have to have a firmware update or maybe they will
address it in windows. Hard to say where the problem lies

 

[Scott]

Hehe..you think thay sat up and took note?

Quite the opposite, actually......
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[Steve]

Guy's, what is SPI?
stevek

Not that it's a desirable fix if you have a laptop, but if there are just
desktop machines, are you oppose to just giving them a hard coded IP
address ? I'm sure I'm the odd man out here, but except for my laptop, all
the PCs (4), Xbox360 and Wii got a hard IP address.

Maybe your router will have to have a firmware update or maybe they will
address it in windows. Hard to say where the problem lies

 

[Steve]

Some routers that have stateful packet inspection have an issue with
Vista,
Vista is taking five minutes or more to acquire the routers IP address.
Apparently it is caused by SPI in the router and the suggested fix is to
disable SPI. That's if your router allows you to disable SPI. One of the
reasons I bought a router was for SPI so there is no way in hell I am
disabling it. There is no way in hell I am buying a new router to fix it
either. This issie existed in Vista beta and it is still there in the
final. How is this an improved network stack? This is unacceptable so get
off your ass and fix it Microsoft. Please!

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> "Steve"

Guy's, what is SPI?

Stateful packet inspection.

 

[Guest]

Seriously, have you considered enhancing your current level of security?
simple solution for a simple quandary.

MS has has accomplished their part, regarding enhancing security, the
remainder (enhancing security) is on your end.

 

[David Hearn]

Some routers that have stateful packet inspection have an issue with Vista,
Vista is taking five minutes or more to acquire the routers IP address.
Apparently it is caused by SPI in the router and the suggested fix is to
disable SPI. That's if your router allows you to disable SPI. One of the
reasons I bought a router was for SPI so there is no way in hell I am
disabling it.

That's your choice.

There is no way in hell I am buying a new router to fix it
either.

That's your choice.

This issie existed in Vista beta and it is still there in the
final.

So it's not a new thing - maybe it's by design?

How is this an improved network stack? This is unacceptable so get
off your ass and fix it Microsoft. Please!

Surely it's also your choice to purchase, install and use Vista.

To be honest, I have no idea about the SPI problem - but I suggest you
appear to have 3 options:

1.) Turn off SPI in your current router (if you can)
2.) Buy a new router
3.) Don't use Vista.

It's your choice.

D

 

[Leythos]

Some routers that have stateful packet inspection have an issue with Vista,
Vista is taking five minutes or more to acquire the routers IP address.
Apparently it is caused by SPI in the router and the suggested fix is to
disable SPI. That's if your router allows you to disable SPI. One of the
reasons I bought a router was for SPI so there is no way in hell I am
disabling it. There is no way in hell I am buying a new router to fix it
either. This issie existed in Vista beta and it is still there in the
final. How is this an improved network stack? This is unacceptable so get
off your ass and fix it Microsoft. Please!

Strange, I sit behind a $3000 firewall, it has many features for
protecting me, and it has no issues.

I suggest that your implementation of router with NAT is broken, like
many that are out there.

What specifically doesn't work for you?

What specifically is the vendor/model of your router?

What specifically is the firmware version?

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> Jonathan

Seriously, have you considered enhancing your current level of security?
simple solution for a simple quandary.

What exactly are you talking about?

An SPI-capable firewall/router solves a number of (generally difficult
to take advantage of) holes in many firewalls -- It's actually more
secure the a device without SPI.

That being said, whatever issues this individual is having is not unique
to SPI in general (I've run SPI-based firewalls for years), it's
something to do with his specific router and Vista not playing nice.

 

[Richard Urban]

I wouldn't!

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[Pipboy]

I wouldn't!

Yea, well, seeing as your an MVP tell your butt buddies over at Microsoft
to fix this issue before I demand a refund on Vista. I'm sick of waiting
five minutes or more everytine I boot into Vista to get an internet
connection.

 

[Pipboy]

Maybe your router will have to have a firmware update or maybe they will
address it in windows. Hard to say where the problem lies

I contacted D-Link and they say the issue is Vista. Every other OS I have
used, including Xbox 360, has never had an issue with my router.

 

[Pipboy]

Seriously, have you considered enhancing your current level of security?
simple solution for a simple quandary.

MS has has accomplished their part, regarding enhancing security, the
remainder (enhancing security) is on your end.

How is turning off SPI going to enhance my security? Are you paying
atention?

 

[Pipboy]

That being said, whatever issues this individual is having is not unique
to SPI in general (I've run SPI-based firewalls for years), it's
something to do with his specific router and Vista not playing nice.

Yea, not all routers with SPI have this issue. Just certain makes and
models, my research shows there are a number of them out there though so
instead of Microosft expecting us to buy a new Router they should fix the
issue on their end. Buying Vista was expensive enough and I don't want to
have to spend another $100.00 on a new router too.

 

[Pipboy]

Surely it's also your choice to purchase, install and use Vista.

To be honest, I have no idea about the SPI problem - but I suggest you
appear to have 3 options:

1.) Turn off SPI in your current router (if you can)
2.) Buy a new router
3.) Don't use Vista.

It's your choice.

D

Um, no, you forgot option 4.) Microsoft can provide a fix for those with
this issue.

Once again, my router works with all OS's, including Linux and Microsoft's
own Xbox 360 so the problem is at their end and not mine.

 

[Pipboy]

Strange, I sit behind a $3000 firewall, it has many features for
protecting me, and it has no issues.

Goody for you.

I suggest that your implementation of router with NAT is broken, like
many that are out there.

Worked fine until I got Vista. Other routers from other manufacturer's are
also having the same issue with Vista.

What specifically doesn't work for you?

I've already explained that in the above posts. But once again, it takes
about five minutes to acquire the IP address from the router when I first
boot into Vista. I can't get online until it has acquired the correct IP
address.

What specifically is the vendor/model of your router?

D-Link DI-604. D-Link says the issue is Vista and not the router.

What specifically is the firmware version?

Latest version.

 

[Leythos]

Yea, not all routers with SPI have this issue. Just certain makes and
models, my research shows there are a number of them out there though so
instead of Microosft expecting us to buy a new Router they should fix the
issue on their end. Buying Vista was expensive enough and I don't want to
have to spend another $100.00 on a new router too.

What you fail to understand is that like most vendors, D-Link and the
others will implement anything they want in any manner they want,
sometimes causing any number of problems.

If SPI is broken on your device, because they didn't follow the strict
definition, while others did, then you can't blame MS for your problems.

None of the workstations we have behind firewalls or routers show any
signs of internet related access issues.

I've also seen many instances where NAT Router firmware was defective
over the last 10 years, and many instances were we had to implement
workarounds to get things working.

You've still ignored the questions:

What router
What firmware