When is Microsoft going to fix the issue with Routers that do SPI?

[Pipboy]

By the way, the PCI NIC of choice for me (as it seems to be supported
by EVERYTHING) is an Intel E100 or later 10/100 NIC (95555 up to 95559
chipset).

I don't have one of those but the Realtek RTL8139D I just put in is working
great in Vista. No more waiting five minutes to go online.

 

[Pipboy]

Get anything that has been made in the last year, new in the last year,
and still has support.

I like the DFL-700 for all that it does, but it's not cheap. I also use
WRTg5g Linksys routers, but I've seen issues with their wireless.

Your problem is that your router was abandoned in 2003, just about
anything that came out in 2006 would be fine.

Thanks anyway but it turns out the router is fine and the issue was the
mb's ethernet. I just put in a Realtek NIC and now all is fine. When I
researched the problem it looked like the router was the issue but someone
below said it may be the NIC so swapped that out instead and now all is ok.

 

[Leythos]

No, some ULI piece of crap. Now that I think about it it did give me issues
in Linux too. I mostly use my other PC if I am going to use Linux. Issue is
resolved now. Disabled the onboard NIC and put in a Realtek RTL8139D NIC,
everything is a go. Woot! And my D-Link DI-604 router isn't crap like
Leythos says. Anyone who spends three grand on a router is out to lunch, or
else their boss paid for it.

I bought it for my office, and it's not a router, it's a firewall.

So, what else would you call a router (the DI-604) that has not been
supported for more than three years?

 

[BSchnur]

I don't have one of those but the Realtek RTL8139D I just put in is working

great in Vista. No more waiting five minutes to go online.

Indeed, that is one of the generic chipsets of choice for a lot of
motherboards -- and a lot of 10/100 PCI NIC's use the chip set as well.

I carry spare Intel 10/100 NIC's for those situations where the
motherboard NIC either isn't supported or something goes south with it.

 

[Scott]

You can't get a refund once you have activated your key. There really
isn't any way around it.

Sure there is if you bought Vista at Costco.
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[Leythos]

Thanks anyway but it turns out the router is fine and the issue was the
mb's ethernet. I just put in a Realtek NIC and now all is fine. When I
researched the problem it looked like the router was the issue but someone
below said it may be the NIC so swapped that out instead and now all is ok.

And it could still be the router, as I've used all sorts of NIC's
(motherboard and add-on) with different routers with no problem. While
it does appear to be your NIC, it would be that the groups has uncovered
some issue with the 604 in addition.

 

[Pipboy]

And it could still be the router, as I've used all sorts of NIC's
(motherboard and add-on) with different routers with no problem.

No, it's purely the NIC. I found an old thread on MSDN that is specific to
issues with the onboard NIC on my mb and Vista.

While
it does appear to be your NIC, it would be that the groups has uncovered
some issue with the 604 in addition.

Such as?

 

[Pipboy]

Indeed, that is one of the generic chipsets of choice for a lot of
motherboards -- and a lot of 10/100 PCI NIC's use the chip set as well.

I carry spare Intel 10/100 NIC's for those situations where the
motherboard NIC either isn't supported or something goes south with it.

Yea, think I'll just stick with this NIC from now on and not bother with
onboard NIC's on any mb. Same goes for onboard sound and those mb's with
onboard video. Motherboard manufacturer's are not known for their quality
of drivers so would rather have mb's that are cheaper and don't put the
crap bonus features on them. I guess they are good value for thos that
don't want to spend the money on discrete components though.

 

[Pipboy]

I bought it for my office, and it's not a router, it's a firewall.
OK

So, what else would you call a router (the DI-604) that has not been
supported for more than three years?

One that just works and doesn't need updated firmare. Only cost $40.00 and
probably works just as good as your $3,000.00 bit of kit.

 

[Pipboy]

Sure there is if you bought Vista at Costco.

Oh yea, my copy of Vista was bought at Costco too so I can return it even
11 months from now.

 

[Leythos]

One that just works and doesn't need updated firmare. Only cost $40.00 and
probably works just as good as your $3,000.00 bit of kit.

I think you misunderstand - my $3k unit is a firewall, not a cheap NAT
Router, and the router doesn't come close to doing what the firewall
does.

I always install a NAT Appliance for any residential user, never have
them direct connected, but I never install the 604 that you've used,
they were problematic from day one and I just stopped installing them.

Oh, and updated firmware, that's about every device on the market, as
any vendor that cares will product new firmware when a flaw is detected,
but, the 604 has not been fixed since 2003, so I would expect it to have
issues.

 

[Kerry Brown]

Yea, think I'll just stick with this NIC from now on and not bother with
onboard NIC's on any mb. Same goes for onboard sound and those mb's with
onboard video. Motherboard manufacturer's are not known for their quality
of drivers so would rather have mb's that are cheaper and don't put the
crap bonus features on them. I guess they are good value for thos that
don't want to spend the money on discrete components though.

That is a very broad brush you're using. Most on board NICs work fine and
some are excellent. On board sound is the same. The quality of the on board
peripherals is often related to the overall quality of the motherboard.

 

[Scott]

Oh yea, my copy of Vista was bought at Costco too so I can return it even
11 months from now.

Yup. Suckers ain't they?

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[BSchnur]

That is a very broad brush you're using. Most on board NICs work fine and

some are excellent. On board sound is the same. The quality of the on board
peripherals is often related to the overall quality of the motherboard.

I tend to agree with you -- -I did notice though that the Vista driver
update for the embedded sound on my motherboard broke it, I reverted to
the drivers I had downloaded from the motherboard manufacturer (Vista
32 so the XP drivers would play here) and got the sound back.

The four Vista setups I have all work with the embedded NIC's on the
motherboards.

 

[kmelby]

I am behind a Motorola SBG900 gateway and have been experiencing the same
delays in acquiring the IP address, but only if my ethernet-connected
machine reboots. I then decided to look at the vendor's site for a new
driver for my NIC, Intel Pro/100 VE, downloaded and installed the driver,
and the problems with my gateway have gone away.

Microsoft's Vista has built-in drivers that were originally submitted by all
the hardware folks before Vista went RTM. Now that Vista has been released,
the same hardware folks may have updated drivers on their web site which
work better. Worth a look.

Kathleen

 

[Pipboy]

That is a very broad brush you're using. Most on board NICs work fine and
some are excellent. On board sound is the same. The quality of the on board
peripherals is often related to the overall quality of the motherboard.

My problem is a driver issue and not the quality of the hardware. The
onboard NIC works great in XP. MB manufacturer's come out with new products
every week so it only stands to reason that the drivers will be not up to
the highest standards. And onboard audio is crap compared to my X-Fi, Santa
Cruz and EMU 0404 USB. Nvidia Soundstorm was good but they haven't used
that since Nforce2 mb's. I have read Intel HD audio is decent too but still
not up the quality of discrete hardware. You can get a Chaintech AV-710 for
$20.00 and it is better than any audio hardware on a mb.

 

[Pipboy]

I tend to agree with you -- -

Yea, you tend to agree with him because you use the onboard crap. That's
called "tooting your own horn".

 

[Pipboy]

I think you misunderstand -

No, I didn't. It appears you don't understand emoticons, I was kidding.

Oh, and updated firmware, that's about every device on the market, as
any vendor that cares will product new firmware when a flaw is detected,
but, the 604 has not been fixed since 2003, so I would expect it to have
issues.

Yea, the firmware was updated when it needed it. I updated the firmware on
it once and I assume there have been none since becasue it doesn't need
one. "If it ain't broke don't fix it". What are these issues with the 604
you speak of?

 

[Pipboy]

I am behind a Motorola SBG900 gateway and have been experiencing the same
delays in acquiring the IP address, but only if my ethernet-connected
machine reboots. I then decided to look at the vendor's site for a new
driver for my NIC, Intel Pro/100 VE, downloaded and installed the driver,
and the problems with my gateway have gone away.

Microsoft's Vista has built-in drivers that were originally submitted by all
the hardware folks before Vista went RTM. Now that Vista has been released,
the same hardware folks may have updated drivers on their web site which
work better. Worth a look.

Kathleen

Yes, my mb has an updated NIC Vista driver for the mb labelled VSTA but my
mb came out befiore that version. I installed that driver anyway because
both mb's use the same NIC but it didn't help at all. I'll stick with using
the Realtech NIC PCI card for now, thanks.

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Stateful Packet Inspection. That's where a firewall only allows packets of
data through that were actually solicited from your end, if it wasn't
solicited it is discarded.

Actually, simple NAT will do that, and even the cheapest router
does NAT. SPI is more complex than that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateful_firewall

Gary VanderMolen