Vote results

[John Corliss]

Due to my killfile, I can't see a lot of the votes I guess. So if
anybody wants to tally up the Nagware vote, could you please reply to
this message with the results? Thanks.

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Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[HVS]

On 01 May 2006, John Corliss wrote

Due to my killfile, I can't see a lot of the votes I guess. So
if anybody wants to tally up the Nagware vote, could you
please reply to this message with the results? Thanks.

And all these years I've given you points for being not entirely
unreasonable.

Geez.

If you're going to run a kill-file, it's obvious that you weren't
remotely interested in hearing from anybody other than those you
already agree with.

Classic behaviour of a prat.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Due to my killfile, I can't see a lot of the votes I guess. So if
anybody wants to tally up the Nagware vote, could you please reply to
this message with the results? Thanks.

Hi John!



alt.comp.nagware




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[hummingbird]

Due to my killfile, I can't see a lot of the votes I guess. So if
anybody wants to tally up the Nagware vote, could you please reply to
this message with the results? Thanks.

Naahh ... I can't be bothered John. It was never important.

 

[John Jay Smith]

he is a democratic dictator....

kills all the voters that might disagree.....

LOL

 

[badgolferman]

John Corliss, 5/1/2006, 3:18:08 PM,

Due to my killfile, I can't see a lot of the votes I guess. So if
anybody wants to tally up the Nagware vote, could you please reply to
this message with the results? Thanks.

Since this vote was non-binding and no one will honor it anyway I will
play along.

I counted 39 yes votes and 32 no votes. Some where ambiguous in their
answers so it was left up to my interpretation.

Perhaps you will accept the results of your own carefully worded poll
and back off a bit.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Due to my killfile, I can't see a lot of the votes I guess. So if
anybody wants to tally up the Nagware vote, could you please reply to
this message with the results? Thanks.

The question was:

<q>
Please just answer yes or no. If you feel that discussion is called for,
please start another thread.

Question (rephrased): Except in the context of describing features that
one is looking for in a freeware program, should discussion of nagware
be considered on-topic in this group?
</q>

I kept a rough tally. My count is:

Yes (on-topic) 33 votes
No (off-topic) 32 votes.

I think my count is correct or close to it - ISTM you could use Google
to count the vote if you want to be sure the numbers are completely
accurate.

Susan
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[beenthere]

The question was:

<q>
Please just answer yes or no. If you feel that discussion is called for,
please start another thread.

Question (rephrased): Except in the context of describing features that
one is looking for in a freeware program, should discussion of nagware be
considered on-topic in this group?
</q>

I kept a rough tally. My count is:

Yes (on-topic) 33 votes
No (off-topic) 32 votes.

I think my count is correct or close to it - ISTM you could use Google to
count the vote if you want to be sure the numbers are completely accurate.

Susan

Hi Susan, I think I can see you smiling from here <g>.
(And here, is a long way away.)

 

[John Jay Smith]

Before you read the results on the very bottom.. I suggest we do a poll with
this question:

"Do you believe that we must protect free speech on the newsgroups above all
other values?"

This is the correct "vote" corliss should have asked.. not his misleading
nagware vote.


KeithS = yes
HVS = Yes
John Corlis = No
Jhn Rampling = Yes
stubbo of oz = no
Craig = no
Miskairal= Yes
Andy Mabbet= No
Jim Smith = no
Vic Dura = yes
Nebur=no
John Jay smith=Yes when needed
seaside=yes
caesar romano=yes
Lou@unreal = yes
robbh= yes
mArk= no
Zepos=no
David Gilrbert=yes
gary schmidt=yes
maynard man= yes
al=yes
paul b=yes
bMorphus=No
Knot= Yes
The seabat=no
ranrad=no
duddits= yes
gerald= no
Ivan V. Klattrup = Yes since many freeware make shortcuts. His explaination:
No, but only if
A. Programs with splashscreens are not to be discussed
B. Program that makes shortcuts on the desktop are not discussed

prospero = Yes
Huss= no
Normanstrong=Yes
Kbb= no
badgolferman=yes
franklin=yes but with notice they are nagware
hummingbird=yes
Bjorn=yes
Ceasar Romano= yes
QV= no
S.O meone= no
junefly= no
rundkopf=yes
Susan bugher=yes
MLC= yes
Omar= Yes
Gert van der Kooj= no
jay jay = yes
Lawrence - no
Yussuf- no
Jim@usablefreeware= yes
Rockmaniac= no
usnet@mantra= yes
dansheen=yes
gill bates= no
yo misimo=no
Zo=no
colin=yes
Heinrich=no
bill day= no
Burnr=yes
six million dollar man= no
LVP= yes
Eric huebner= no
Vegard Krog=no
ash= yes
Mike dee=no

total = 67

number of yes to nagware = 37

number of no to nagware = 30

number of sad nag losers = 1 ( I wont name him..... we all know who he is)

 

[beenthere]

snipped it all.

Well done everybody (claps everyone ).
And now can we, (TINW) all get back to sanity.
lotsa luv to all.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Hi Susan, I think I can see you smiling from here <g>.
(And here, is a long way away.)

I'm not a fan of black and white votes. ISTM the straw poll that was
done in 2003 provides a more accurate picture of the wishes of those who
responded: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php

OTOH black and white polls do seem to bring out more voters.

Susan
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[beenthere]

I'm not a fan of black and white votes. ISTM the straw poll that was done
in 2003 provides a more accurate picture of the wishes of those who
responded: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php

OTOH black and white polls do seem to bring out more voters.

Susan

Personally, I`ver always prefered a `draw`.
That way, everbody goes home happy.
night night, and thanks for everything you do for a.c.f.

 

[John Jay Smith]

I prefer finding the fundamental principles under the idea, that history has
proven
to be true in democracy. We don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Ancient Greek philosophers have explained everything you need to know
about the internet, 2000 years ago.

 

[mike]

Well done everybody (claps everyone ).
And now can we, (TINW) all get back to sanity.
lotsa luv to all.

You call what's been going on here recently sanity??

mike

 

[Caesar Romano]

total = 67

number of yes to nagware = 37

number of no to nagware = 30

number of sad nag losers = 1 ( I wont name him..... we all know who he is)

That looks pretty reasonable. Thanks.

 

[Helen]

Before you read the results on the very bottom.. I suggest we do a
poll with this question:

"Do you believe that we must protect free speech on the newsgroups
above all other values?"

This is the correct "vote" corliss should have asked.. not his
misleading nagware vote.

Is "nagware" off topic in freeware ng? YES other than to state that
such a program is nagware.

As for a discussion of "free speech", well now! There are legal
discussion groups where such a topic belongs, otherwise it is nothing
more than obsifucation of the issue (e.g., nagware). Coloring this
with terminology like "free speech" is absurd. There is no such thing
as "free speech" in the sense that the speaker romps around like a
bird flitting from here to there saying whatever he "feels" like whenever
however without consequences. Sometimes consequences are
immediate, other times they are remote, sometimes they are direct
other times they are indirect, nonetheless, there are always consequences
to your words and actions. Be careful of the seeds you sow...your
harvest will always come later than you sowed and in a far greater
abundance than the amount you sowed. If people don't like the
*rules* here, go elsewhere and turn your sommersaults and rant.

 

[Craig]

Is "nagware" off topic in freeware ng? YES other than to state that
such a program is nagware.

As for a discussion of "free speech", well now! There are legal
discussion groups where such a topic belongs, otherwise it is nothing
more than obsifucation of the issue (e.g., nagware). Coloring this
with terminology like "free speech" is absurd. There is no such thing
as "free speech" in the sense that the speaker romps around like a
bird flitting from here to there saying whatever he "feels" like whenever
however without consequences.

Well-said Helen, thx.

-Craig

 

[Roger Johansson]

This is the correct "vote" corliss should have asked.. not his misleading
nagware vote.

I cannot find my own name in this list.
I voted early, and I have now copied relevant parts of that message
below the list.

KeithS = yes
HVS = Yes
John Corlis = No
Jhn Rampling = Yes
stubbo of oz = no
Craig = no
Miskairal= Yes
Andy Mabbet= No
Jim Smith = no
Vic Dura = yes
Nebur=no
John Jay smith=Yes when needed
seaside=yes
caesar romano=yes
Lou@unreal = yes
robbh= yes
mArk= no
Zepos=no
David Gilrbert=yes
gary schmidt=yes
maynard man= yes
al=yes
paul b=yes
bMorphus=No
Knot= Yes
The seabat=no
ranrad=no
duddits= yes
gerald= no
Ivan V. Klattrup = Yes since many freeware make shortcuts. His explaination:
No, but only if
A. Programs with splashscreens are not to be discussed
B. Program that makes shortcuts on the desktop are not discussed

prospero = Yes
Huss= no
Normanstrong=Yes
Kbb= no
badgolferman=yes
franklin=yes but with notice they are nagware
hummingbird=yes
Bjorn=yes
Ceasar Romano= yes
QV= no
S.O meone= no
junefly= no
rundkopf=yes
Susan bugher=yes
MLC= yes
Omar= Yes
Gert van der Kooj= no
jay jay = yes
Lawrence - no
Yussuf- no
Jim@usablefreeware= yes
Rockmaniac= no
usnet@mantra= yes
dansheen=yes
gill bates= no
yo misimo=no
Zo=no
colin=yes
Heinrich=no
bill day= no
Burnr=yes
six million dollar man= no
LVP= yes
Eric huebner= no
Vegard Krog=no
ash= yes
Mike dee=no

total = 67

number of yes to nagware = 37

number of no to nagware = 30

number of sad nag losers = 1 ( I wont name him..... we all know who he is)

......... qouting from the raw msg text:

From: "Roger Johansson" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
Subject: Re: Call for a vote:
Date: 29 Apr 2006 07:59:04 -0700
(irrelevant headers deleted)

Yes, but this voting is not arranged by our point person, it is not

.......... snipped the rest of the msg

I started the message with the word "Yes", as you can see, and that is
my vote.

So I just wonder if you missed my vote.

 

[Roger Johansson]

This is the correct "vote" corliss should have asked.. not his misleading
nagware vote.

I cannot find my own name in this list.
I voted early, and I have now copied relevant parts of that message
below the list.

KeithS = yes
HVS = Yes
John Corlis = No
Jhn Rampling = Yes
stubbo of oz = no
Craig = no
Miskairal= Yes
Andy Mabbet= No
Jim Smith = no
Vic Dura = yes
Nebur=no
John Jay smith=Yes when needed
seaside=yes
caesar romano=yes
Lou@unreal = yes
robbh= yes
mArk= no
Zepos=no
David Gilrbert=yes
gary schmidt=yes
maynard man= yes
al=yes
paul b=yes
bMorphus=No
Knot= Yes
The seabat=no
ranrad=no
duddits= yes
gerald= no
Ivan V. Klattrup = Yes since many freeware make shortcuts. His explaination:
No, but only if
A. Programs with splashscreens are not to be discussed
B. Program that makes shortcuts on the desktop are not discussed

prospero = Yes
Huss= no
Normanstrong=Yes
Kbb= no
badgolferman=yes
franklin=yes but with notice they are nagware
hummingbird=yes
Bjorn=yes
Ceasar Romano= yes
QV= no
S.O meone= no
junefly= no
rundkopf=yes
Susan bugher=yes
MLC= yes
Omar= Yes
Gert van der Kooj= no
jay jay = yes
Lawrence - no
Yussuf- no
Jim@usablefreeware= yes
Rockmaniac= no
usnet@mantra= yes
dansheen=yes
gill bates= no
yo misimo=no
Zo=no
colin=yes
Heinrich=no
bill day= no
Burnr=yes
six million dollar man= no
LVP= yes
Eric huebner= no
Vegard Krog=no
ash= yes
Mike dee=no

total = 67

number of yes to nagware = 37

number of no to nagware = 30

number of sad nag losers = 1 ( I wont name him..... we all know who he is)

......... qouting from the raw msg text:

From: "Roger Johansson" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
Subject: Re: Call for a vote:
Date: 29 Apr 2006 07:59:04 -0700
(irrelevant headers deleted)

Yes, but this voting is not arranged by our point person, it is not
arranged by us as a collective, it is an irregular voting started by a
person who has a hidden agenda.

.......... snipped the rest of the msg

I started the message with the word "Yes", as you can see, and that is
my vote.

So I just wonder if you missed my vote.

 

[KeithS]

Roger Johansson wrote:
......... snipped the rest of the msg

I started the message with the word "Yes", as you can see, and that is
my vote.

So I just wonder if you missed my vote.

I shouldn't worry about it Roger. In this discussion, nothing matters
very much, and very little matters at all.
At the end of the day, no-one is going to take a blind bit of notice
of the results (for or against) and the group will carry on as before.
The poll (even though I participated) was a waste of time, at least
one person voted twice, most didn't vote at all (for the reasons
stated in the second sentence).
JC, I've had a great deal of respect for what you've tried to do for
this group in the past, but this was way over the top, badly
conceived, badly executed, badly concluded.
Let's get on with life.