The Reluctant Pirate

[Will]

Uniondatacom you seem very eager to get your hands on something that you
already have if your already using RC2 then it's the closest you'll get to
RTM 6000 before it goes on sale after january the 30 th

be happy with what you have now there is no need for desperate measures or
piracy the wait won't be long

just sit back and enjoy the ride and watch all the other desperate fools
trying to figure out how to be the first to get their hands on it, thats
quite entertaining and it passes the times quite well

 

[Jeff]

or get it when ya want,through various legit channels,
and use Windows mail in Vista to read posts from people in XP that post
stupid stuff like

"just sit back and enjoy the ride and watch all the other desperate fools
trying to figure out how to be the first to get their hands on it, thats
quite entertaining and it passes the times quite well"

Now that's REALLY funny

 

[Dale]

I have to wonder about your telecom company. You installed a pirated copy
of Vista? I hope it wasn't on your company network! If you go to
Microsoft.com/windowsvista, you'll see that it is generally available
January 30th. Is there something so important in Vista that you'd risk your
PC and company's systems to a pirated and admittedly modified version of
Vista and couldn't even live with RC2 until January?

Being intelligent enough to run a datacom business with a few hundred W2K3
licenses (sounds like a web-hosting or server-hosting company) you'd think
that you'd be smart enough to avoid hacked and illegal downloads and to know
that Vista will be out in January. I don't know about all versions of the
Open License program but it was my understanding that the "largest"
customers would be the ones for which Vista was made available in November.
Whether you can get it now or have to wait until January doesn't give you
the right to steal a copy now.

I just went to http://uniondatacom.com. You're hosting customer servers and
offering customers server space and yet you download an obviously hacked
version of Windows Vista from an unknown source and risk your hundreds of
W2K3 server customers' data? If I were looking for services you offer (and
I have used them in the past) I would absolutely avoid Union Datacom!
You're one scary dude! On top of that, if you're willing to steal from
Microsoft, what does that mean for my data if I had colocated servers or
rented server space from you?

I just wish there was a way I could get this information to your customers
and your potential customers! I'm going to go back to your website and see
if you have any customer testimonials or anything there.

Dale

 

[Dale]

I wish they would do that but I thought they had said, so far, that they
wouldn't?

Dale

I get my Vista RC1 Beat copy in the mail, and install it. I love the OS,
but
it’s buggy. I got RC2 my email, and it was improved. Close enough to
stable,
so I kill my dual-boot config and start using it, knowing I’ve got 6
months
before it expires and that I can easily buy it retail by then, that was
the
plan anyway.

Hmm well you can buy a Technet or MSDN subscription which costs and
includes a lot more but by the time you receive it, Vista will be in
retail.

Just a few more weeks!

(Slightly off-topic: Vista RTM will install and work for 30 days without
requiring you to enter a key but the edition [Home Premium, Ultimate etc]
you choose during setup must match the key you eventually punch in or you
need to do a full reinstall. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft uses
this new system at some point to allow people to just download Vista and
order the key online, burning their own physical media. I'm just guessing
there though, but it makes sense.)

 

[Roscoe]

I have to wonder about your telecom company. You installed a pirated copy
of Vista? I hope it wasn't on your company network! If you go to
Microsoft.com/windowsvista, you'll see that it is generally available
January 30th. Is there something so important in Vista that you'd risk
your PC and company's systems to a pirated and admittedly modified version
of Vista and couldn't even live with RC2 until January?

Being intelligent enough to run a datacom business with a few hundred W2K3
licenses (sounds like a web-hosting or server-hosting company) you'd think
that you'd be smart enough to avoid hacked and illegal downloads and to
know that Vista will be out in January. I don't know about all versions
of the Open License program but it was my understanding that the "largest"
customers would be the ones for which Vista was made available in
November. Whether you can get it now or have to wait until January doesn't
give you the right to steal a copy now.

I just went to http://uniondatacom.com. You're hosting customer servers
and offering customers server space and yet you download an obviously
hacked version of Windows Vista from an unknown source and risk your
hundreds of W2K3 server customers' data? If I were looking for services
you offer (and I have used them in the past) I would absolutely avoid
Union Datacom! You're one scary dude! On top of that, if you're willing
to steal from Microsoft, what does that mean for my data if I had
colocated servers or rented server space from you?

I just wish there was a way I could get this information to your customers
and your potential customers! I'm going to go back to your website and
see if you have any customer testimonials or anything there.

Oh please shut up.

 

[Dale]

He doesn't care. He admitted that stole Vista once, he apparently doesn't
mind stealing it again.

Would you risk colocating your server or data with his company at
http://uniondatacom.com? Could you even trust him to use his PBX service
where he would have the ability to record and sell your calling history or
even your calls themselves?

Is this a man you would trust? A company you would trust? Not me!

Dale

 

[Tom Lake]

Would you risk colocating your server or data with his company at

http://uniondatacom.com? Could you even trust him to use his PBX service
where he would have the ability to record and sell your calling history or
even your calls themselves?

Is this a man you would trust? A company you would trust? Not me!

If he totally replaced XP with Vista Betas on production machines, I
wouldn't even trust his technical competence let alone his integrity!

Tom Lake

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

AFAIK, the trial is not available.

But RTM will install without a Product Key but will expire in 30 days if not
activated.
Vista can not be activated without a Product key..

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

I think it is the new trial edition.

Hmm well you can buy a Technet or MSDN subscription which costs and
includes a lot more but by the time you receive it, Vista will be in
retail.

Just a few more weeks!

(Slightly off-topic: Vista RTM will install and work for 30 days without
requiring you to enter a key but the edition [Home Premium, Ultimate etc]
you choose during setup must match the key you eventually punch in or you
need to do a full reinstall. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft uses
this new system at some point to allow people to just download Vista and
order the key online, burning their own physical media. I'm just
guessing there though, but it makes sense.)

 

[Peter]

Oh please... for gods sake.
I dont like the piracy but the man actually do have a point. People are
actually dumping Microsoft because of the system is just as heavy as a
mountain. Micrsoft is getting pretty much annoying in lots of ways - it is
possible that they call it security and for the customers benefit, but to
say it out loud: it is getting just as difficult to get their systems to
work than to get a fat man through a keyhole. Nothing simpler than beuacracy
is about to run through Microsoft and that is why huge companies, goverments
etc simply jumps to Linux and opensource-standards. No one can afford
Microsoft it - not because of the unfair prices, but also time used to
install, fix and so on - everyone hates it because its too complex.
Like my old school - first they removed the OLC (Open Learning Center - lots
of computer with bunch of programs). Thats just the same as telling the
students to use piracy because no living student can afford huge systems
like Adobe, Microsoft Office, discreet etc. Then, and a couple of months
ago, the entire school started to imigrate to Linux when possible.

The point is: Microsoft is properly the most used software developer - and
yes! they actually gave us .NET for **FREE** (bling bling), but its a mess
to get it working, and its a mess to get it, install it and stuff like that.
Its like smoking cigerats: if cigarets was invented today it would be
illegal: if Microsoft just popped up today - they would have to make better
systems than they are currently doing


And i still remember a joke i saw in the late 90

Windows CE
Windows ME
Windows NT =
Windows CEMENT

.... which by the way still is so true... currently my Vista-library is about
14GB which is 10GB overdue if you ask me compared to other systems.
And for the record: i still think that Micrsoft is great. I love it alot -
but still - its like someone is sleeping (and Vista did it for like 5 years
and woke up half amputatet and pretty much bigger (in GB) than expected -
thats not a nice result for a overdue sleep)



// peter
sorry about gramma and stuff <--- from denmark

 

[Mike]

Oh please... for gods sake.
I dont like the piracy but the man actually do have a point. People are
actually dumping Microsoft because of the system is just as heavy as a
mountain. Micrsoft is getting pretty much annoying in lots of ways - it is
possible that they call it security and for the customers benefit, but to
say it out loud: it is getting just as difficult to get their systems to
work than to get a fat man through a keyhole. Nothing simpler than
beuacracy is about to run through Microsoft and that is why huge
companies, goverments etc simply jumps to Linux and opensource-standards.
No one can afford Microsoft it - not because of the unfair prices, but
also time used to install, fix and so on - everyone hates it because its
too complex.

Yeah, because Linux is so *easy*!

Mike

 

[Dale]

Are you sure it can be installed without a product key? Or does it require
a product key but must be activated before 30 days? I'm not saying which; I
am just asking. I know I was asked to put in a product key to install and
when I mistyped it and it refused to continue.

Dale

AFAIK, the trial is not available.

But RTM will install without a Product Key but will expire in 30 days if
not activated.
Vista can not be activated without a Product key..

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

I think it is the new trial edition.

Hmm well you can buy a Technet or MSDN subscription which costs and
includes a lot more but by the time you receive it, Vista will be in
retail.

Just a few more weeks!

(Slightly off-topic: Vista RTM will install and work for 30 days without
requiring you to enter a key but the edition [Home Premium, Ultimate
etc] you choose during setup must match the key you eventually punch in
or you need to do a full reinstall. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft
uses this new system at some point to allow people to just download
Vista and order the key online, burning their own physical media. I'm
just guessing there though, but it makes sense.)

 

[Dale]

And the man's point, whether opinion or fact, and your point, whether
opinion or fact, justifies stealing the software? Let alone that he likely,
and intentionally, downloaded hacked software onto his PC and network - and
likely the same network his clients are on.

This is just not a man I would trust with my data or any of my clients'
data.

Dale

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

If you do not enter a product key and click Continue you will get a list of
the four editions. You choose the one you want and installation will
proceed. The product will enter reduced state mode after 30 days. If the
field is blank you will not see the typo error dialog.

 

[Dale]

Ahhhh. Can you still change the product key to add your valid product key
in later if you do it that way?

Dale

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Dale;
Yes, but it MUST be the same version as you initially selected when Vista
was installed.
If you install and select Home Premium, you need to buy Home Premium so you
can use that key.
Anything else will require another installation.

 

[Dale]

Well, I learned something useful today. That makes it a good day, huh?

Dale

 

[Lang Murphy]

Chad,

OK... thanks for the clarification.

Lang

Lang--

It's not "on shelves" but Comp USA has partnered with MSFT to sell
licenses and there is a way to go on line to get Vista Business and Office
07 via the two license paths. I have all the details down to the code
numbers in a post I did prior to Nov. 30 when this started.

They can ans. questions about it at 1-800-Microsoft Presails option.

CH

 

[Peter]

As in the beginning of my post: "i dont like piracy". Which means: I dont
like piracy

// peter

 

[Peter]

Kubunto is pretty neat though and not that difficult to use - even for
greenies.

// peter

 

[Alias]

Yeah, because Linux is so *easy*!

Mike

Actually, the new distros such as Ubuntu *are* easy. I am writing this
message using Ubuntu and I have just gotten through installing dozens of
useful programs such as Flash, Java, Real Player and many others. To
install them, all you have to do is look on a list, tick the little
square and click on "apply". Too difficult for you, Mike? I would say
that's all helluva lot easier than installing programs like IE7 for
Windows. When I installed Ubuntu, there were 204 updates. All downloaded
and installed without a hitch and, get this, NO REBOOT! I also just
timed how long it takes Ubuntu to boot up on an AMD Athlon 800 Mhz with
512 RAM vs. my AMD Athlon 3000+ with a gig of RAM running XP Pro and
Ubuntu was faster!

Not only that, with Windows, you gotta install hardware drivers. With
Ubuntu, it recognized and installed all the drivers during installation.

And, to top it off, with Ubuntu I can use the same CD to install it on
as many computers as my little heart desires. No WPA, WGA, WGA/N or any
other of that nonsense. Ubuntu is free and they even paid the postage to
mail it to me in Spain.

So, fanboi, what's "easier" about Windows than Ubuntu or are you just
making it up as you go along like you always do?

Alias