Steal this O.S.

[Justin]

Also, it is funny that hardware dongles for $30,000 programs have not been
cracked.

Which app? We crack ALL of our dongles. They cause too many hardware
issues. We don't abuse the licensing but we still remove the dongle from
the equation. It's been a while since we used them but there was a guy in
Russia that would create a dingle emulator for any dongle you had.

 

[Justin]

Sorry, but that's a bunch of liberal bull. In a newsgroup there is nothing
you can do about it however you don't have to condone it either.

When it comes to piracy there is a high level of ignorance on the pirates
part. "Borrowing" software is so common place there is a large percentage
of people that simply do not know what they are doing is illegal. By having
liberal idiots that tell people it's OK, only further enlarges that
ignorance.

By taking a stance between right and wrong the truth or education if you
will, leaks out and slowly becomes known.

Calling a thief a thief? Who said anything about that? Who said anything
about abusing" the person? Let the person know what they are doing is wrong
and until you've discovered the person to have corrected themselves then
leave them to their own misfortunate problems.

 

[Justin]

We live in a society where we accept thieves and liars as members of our
community because we are encouraged not to judge others.

As for this, what the heck are you talking about? When a person is in jail
for stealing we are encouraged to not judge that person but guess what?
They're still going to serve time!

When you come home to find people loading up your neighbors house and they
are NOT your neighbors do you decide to not call the police because you
think if by doing so you are "judging them"? Blowing the whistle on a thief
is not the same as "judging them" in the sense you use it. I don't know
what "society" you live in but I'm glad you're not my neighbor!

 

[Justin]

Truth is, what we have is a Ford Focus, or better yet a Chevy Cobalt.

This is just juvenile! Since you like the product "Ford Focus" better then
it's still not OK to steal a Ford Focus! You haven't changed anything.

Sooner or later everyone has to upgrade, if they want to run Windows
programs.

If they want to run Windows programs then they MUST buy the Windows OS. You
haven't proven anything.

If you don't want to walk or ride the bus then MUST buy a car. You can't
steal it. Just because it's what YOU want, that doesn't make it right.

 

[Justin]

The Vista/BMW comparison is an incorrect analogy. If you steal
someone's BMW you are depriving him/her of the use of it. If you pirate
Windows you are not depriving anyone of the use of it.

Vista is being stolen from MS as the BMW would be stolen from BMW. Lost
revenue is lost revenue.

 

[Justin]

A father of a 16 year old beauty assumes that her new boyfriend is a

He doesn't pull out his police record.

I would and I will! I look up police records on new employees all the time,
why wouldn't I do the same for my own family?

 

[Justin]

Comparing Vista to a Ferrari? MS will do all they can to "encourage"
people to go to Vista. No one is forced to buy a Ferrari.

No one is forced to buy Vista either, what exactly was the point here?

Computers and software are NOT a right.

 

[caver1]

Netscape died because their Internet browser was crap, and everyone of
importance knows that. Microsoft just kicked them when they were falling.

I guess some are just naive. At every stage Netscape was ahead of MS.
The reason MS buried Netscape was because MS knew the only way to catch
up was to give IE away free. MS money let them do that and Netscape
couldn't. And by making OEMs stop loading Netscape or lose Windows.
MS has never played fair.

 

[Paul-B]

Vista is being stolen from MS as the BMW would be stolen from BMW.
Lost revenue is lost revenue.

It's academic, anyway. Vista is being and will be pirated just as XP,
2000, 98 and 95 were in their day. Whatever Microsoft do will be
subverted by the crackers and pirates... there are already pirate
copies of XP around which pass WGA and authentication, and Vista will
go the same way, whether it's by using Chinese KMS sites or virtual KMS
servers or cracked copies which avoid WGA.

Many of these guys cracking Windows are a darn sight brighter than the
committees who built the o/s in the first place. Do you really think
the Chinese, Indians and the rest are going to be willing to spend what
amounts to a year's salary on an o/s? Of course not, they'll stay one
jump ahead of Microsoft, and the rest of us who pay for our software
will have to suffer Microsoft's inept attempts to make their software
pirate-proof.

 

[caver1]

I would and I will! I look up police records on new employees all the
time, why wouldn't I do the same for my own family?

There are times to check things and there are times for trust. I have
found that the ones who won't trust you(without reason) are that way
because they know thats the what they would do to you. And don't say if
you had girls you would feel different. I have two. Youngest is 17. If I
didn't trust her friends, for no reason, I would lose her.
MS will lose their honest customers.

 

[caver1]

No one is forced to buy Vista either, what exactly was the point here?

Computers and software are NOT a right.

There are consumer rights by law. No they don't have to buy that
products but if they do there are rights that are protected by law.

 

[Justin]

Of course software will continue to be stolen. That has nothing to do with
the fact that the analogy is or is not correct.

Software along with most consumer products go up in price. That doesn't
mean you get to steal them just because you haven't moved up the latter of
life like you should have. The fact that anyone discusses software, gas,
cars....doesn't mater.

 

[Richard Urban]

You had really better read up on the history of why Netscrap failed and read
all of the analysis by the "experts" of the reasons for the failure.

They had some problems ongoing for over three years that they never
addressed. People were really fed up.

I tried it extensively, many different versions. I always went back to
Internet Explorer.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Justin]

That's blind bull.

"I have found that the ones who won't trust you(without reason) are that way
because they know thats the what they would do to you."
Those that are CAREFUL, are so, because they have a lot to lose. I run
checks on new employees NOT because I would steal myself rather I check
because my company has a lot to lose.

To blindly trust your children is well...blind. I'm sure you've raised them
to the point where they can make respectable decisions however I bet top
dollar that even YOU can get stabbed in the back from someone you trust. So
what makes your children immune to that part of life? They're not and in
fact, because of their inexperience they are more susceptible.

So, with that said, security is required. Just because MS implements
security in their apps does not means they are calling everyone on the
planet a thief.

 

[Justin]

And?

No one, anywhere, has the RIGHT to own a consumer product. I can, 100%,
refuse to sell my products to anyone for any reason. As you mentioned, once
a product is purchased then certain rights need to be adhered to. However
no one has brought up a single "after purchase" right that is being broken.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Justin wrote:

So, with that said, security is required. Just because MS implements
security in their apps does not means they are calling everyone on the
planet a thief.

<snip>
Agreed. DRM OTOH is how they treat their customers like criminals.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Bruin]

This is just juvenile! Since you like the product "Ford Focus" better
then it's still not OK to steal a Ford Focus! You haven't changed
anything.


If they want to run Windows programs then they MUST buy the Windows OS.
You haven't proven anything.

If you don't want to walk or ride the bus then MUST buy a car. You can't
steal it. Just because it's what YOU want, that doesn't make it right.

You edited out the best part of my post!

"Truth is, what we have is a Ford Focus, or better yet a Chevy Cobalt.
Plus, in a 2 or 3 years, one that most of us will be REQUIRED to drive
(stolen or not) to be able to use 90% of the highways."

If you want to use programs written only for MS, in a 2 or 3 years, you will
be using Vista.

Right or wrong, stolen or not, it's beside the point. The whole point of my
original post is Vista is outrageously overpriced. I will NOT be paying
that price & unless I can get a student version or a cheap OEM copy, I will
be stealing it when the time comes that I am required to (if I need to run
programs written only for MS).

Who knows? Vista is prolly gonna double Mac's market share, maybe I will
have a viable choice when the time comes.

 

[Bruin]

Sorry, but that's a bunch of liberal bull. In a newsgroup there is
nothing you can do about it however you don't have to condone it either.

When it comes to piracy there is a high level of ignorance on the pirates
part. "Borrowing" software is so common place there is a large percentage
of people that simply do not know what they are doing is illegal. By
having liberal idiots that tell people it's OK, only further enlarges that
ignorance.

By taking a stance between right and wrong the truth or education if you
will, leaks out and slowly becomes known.

Calling a thief a thief? Who said anything about that? Who said anything
about abusing" the person? Let the person know what they are doing is
wrong and until you've discovered the person to have corrected themselves
then leave them to their own misfortunate problems.

Screaming "liberals this & liberals that" is always good for a laugh. Where
the hell does stealing software & being liberal have any possible collusion?
The most conservative right wing nut I know has never once purchased a
single MS O.S. & he's been a string of running IBM clones since the 286!
This guy NEVER pays for software!

Funny shit I must say. Here I am an unashamed liberal who has never
pirated a single copy of any version of Windows.... yet.

 

[Justin]

I second that. I was an avid IE hater! I loved NS....in the beginning. As
time went on I got sick and tired of the problems NS kept including in newer
and newer versions. I finally gave IE another try and stuck with it.
Eventually I got used to it and stopped hating it.

 

[James Colbert]

You edited out the best part of my post!

"Truth is, what we have is a Ford Focus, or better yet a Chevy Cobalt.
Plus, in a 2 or 3 years, one that most of us will be REQUIRED to drive
(stolen or not) to be able to use 90% of the highways."

If you want to use programs written only for MS, in a 2 or 3 years, you
will be using Vista.

Not necessarily. There are those out there who are still running 98SE and
are completely happy with it. There are many who will continue to do so, and
even more who will remain with XP, which won't be obsolete for quite some
time to come (at least for many). I happen to be a technophile and want the
latest technology, but not everyone is like that, and they will be perfectly
happy remaining with XP for another 2, 3 years or more. Not everyone will
feel REQUIRED to use Vista. Nor are they.

Right or wrong, stolen or not, it's beside the point. The whole point of
my original post is Vista is outrageously overpriced. I will NOT be
paying that price & unless I can get a student version or a cheap OEM
copy, I will be stealing it when the time comes that I am required to (if
I need to run programs written only for MS).

Who knows? Vista is prolly gonna double Mac's market share, maybe I will
have a viable choice when the time comes.

Doubtful. In spite of what some say in here, I've been running Vista for
several months now, and have been running RTM since it RTM'd. Very stable,
responsive and elegant, and although there are a few minor bugs and some
things I don't care for, overall, I like it and will be sticking with it.
Some of my machines will continue to run XP to serve my purposes, but Vista
will be the OS for my main machines.