Steal this O.S.

[MICHAEL]

Pontificating, sanctimonious blowhard.

There are some within this community who openly admit to stealing Vista and
yet we do not scorn them or exclude them. We live in a society where we
accept thieves and liars as members of our community because we are
encouraged not to judge others. We are taught to tolerate no matter what
and to accept no matter what.

 

[MICHAEL]

If there's an MVP worse than Mr. Urban, that must
be quite an embarrassment to other MVPs and
Microsoft.

-Michael

 

[Dale]

You prove my point. If we call a thief a thief, we get responses in our
society just like yours, Michael.

Thank you for making my point.

Dale

 

[dirty old man]

Not guilty.
Just evolution,
It's genetic.


| Yep! We were all guilty till proven innocent.
|
| --
|
|
| Regards,
|
| Richard Urban
| Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
| (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
|
| Quote from George Ankner:
| If you knew as much as you think you know,
| You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
|
|
|
| | >
| > | > | Teenage boys are degenerates and can never be proven otherwise. I know.
| > I
| > | was one.
| >
| > Should be: "ALL teenage boys...."
| > And I second that opinion.
| >
| >
|

 

[James Colbert]

What "Issues" are you talking about? All I see is you evading a point.


We were talking about piracy. If someone "owns" a pirated copy of a piece
of software they are using it.

You were apparently talking about things like malware writers too. You
really need to use an OS to develop malware for it, if only at the testing
stage.


We were not talking about hacks, we were talking about piracy. I'm just
seeing more desperate attempts to avoid the issue here.


I am? It seems you need to see a copy of the programme for this play in
order to tell the actors apart. I was a Microsoft MVP since 1998 until
October of last year. I've probably earned just about every Microsoft
certification going over the years. I earn a living making Microsoft
products work and I've helped thousands of people on the Microsoft
newsgroups solve their issues with Microsoft products.

I'm a proponent of getting things done and solving problems, and I find
that both Apple and Microsoft products help me a great deal in those aims.


That's nice, but come back when you can stick to the point and answer the
question that was posed to you.

The point is there, for those who wish to see it. Or, perhaps it's a
limitation. I may have surpassed your abilities when I included wider issues
(as well as addressing the simple point you seem to need, but are unable to
grasp). I shan't be bothered further with your benightedness. Good luck.

James

 

[MICHAEL]

Exactly what would you have the "community" do?
That would accomplish what in this group?

I've dealt with pompous idiots like you before,
you are usually pitiful little men who are lonely
and bitter. Instead of scorn, I should feel sorry
for you. I don't, and if I believed in hell, I'm sure
you've got a place reserved.


-Michael

 

[Dale]

You must have been the captain of your debate team, huh?

Community, here and away from here, is best served by standing for right and
wrong. That's what community should do.

And I am sure you're right. If there's a hell, I'll be in it. So what? I
am sure that most of my hell-mates will be upstanding citizens who, in the
privacy of their own homes, stole software and lived very hypocritical
lives.

Dale

 

[MICHAEL]

You don't stand for anything, save demonstrating
your aptitude at (mis)judging people.

Roast well.

-Michael

 

[Rock]

Troopers with speed guns... Now, that is just wrong. They're no more than
Revenuers. Law enforcement, my foot. Troopers with speed guns are many
times less moral than Microsoft is or are attorneys who steal Vista.

<snip>

Why? Speed enforcement is not just for revenue generation. In fact in some
communities there is no revenue from it. But speed is a significant factor
in accidents and in the severity of injuries. Hence the need for speed
reduction and control. Speed enforcement is often times done because of
requests from local communities such as for school zones, residential areas,
etc. Although there are corrupt cops out there, the majority are honest
hard working and moral. I don't see your contention at all.

 

[Paul-B]

Good luck with that. My understanding is that it's quite easy to
'slipstream' malware into pirated versions of Vista, and many have
found that out the hard way:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/06/windows_vista_trojan/

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=7809



James

Your understanding may be correct, but not every pirate includes
malware with their versions... in fact I've yet to find one that does.

 

[Paul-B]

I would still like to see a hardware dongle that would absolutely
prevent "sharing" with others.

Hardware dongles are easy to subvert.

 

[Bruin]

I will be glad to concede that Vista is way over priced.

So is a BMW. That doesn't give me license to go out and steal what I can't
afford.

Again, someone comparing Vista to a luxury car. Mildly amusing.

Truth is, what we have is a Ford Focus, or better yet a Chevy Cobalt.
Plus, in a 2 or 3 years, one that most of us will be REQUIRED to drive
(stolen or not) to be able to use 90% of the highways.

Sooner or later everyone has to upgrade, if they want to run Windows
programs. As I have said, I was kicking & screaming dragged into XP.
Thank GOD I was one of the smart ones that waited 2 years till it was fixed.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

I will be glad to concede that Vista is way over priced.

So is a BMW. That doesn't give me license to go out and steal what I
can't afford.

If I couldn't afford to put fuel oil in my tank, that doesn't give me
the right to steal it from the oil company - just because it is $2,50
per gallon and I think it should be $1,20 per gallon.

I haven't seen anyone here state that the fact that Vista is over priced
is a justification for piracy. Only that it is a contributing factor
(i.e. Cause: Vista way overpriced, Effect: Some people pirate Vista).

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[caver1]

That is absolutely wrong. I have seen speed traps where cops wrote
tickets for obstructing traffic when the driver was going 2 miles under
the speed limit out of fear of getting a ticket for speeding because it
was a known speed trap. One example I know of was a 75 year-old widow.
Revenuers have no brain, they just collect revenues.

Then the same can be said of the media companies and MS.

 

[caver1]

There are some within this community who openly admit to stealing Vista
and yet we do not scorn them or exclude them. We live in a society
where we accept thieves and liars as members of our community because we
are encouraged not to judge others. We are taught to tolerate no matter
what and to accept no matter what.

No I don't accept thieves. Nor do I accept the fact that to stop thieves
you take away the rights of those who are honest. If you do you are no
better than the thieves.

 

[Paul-B]

Again, someone comparing Vista to a luxury car. Mildly amusing.

The Vista/BMW comparison is an incorrect analogy. If you steal
someone's BMW you are depriving him/her of the use of it. If you pirate
Windows you are not depriving anyone of the use of it.

 

[Rock]

The Vista/BMW comparison is an incorrect analogy. If you steal
someone's BMW you are depriving him/her of the use of it. If you pirate
Windows you are not depriving anyone of the use of it.

Larceny is larceny whether it's by the taking of an object or counterfeiting
it or by fraud or in some other way depriving someone of due compensation.
The analogy fits.

 

[arachnid]

Larceny is larceny whether it's by the taking of an object or
counterfeiting it or by fraud or in some other way depriving someone of
due compensation. The analogy fits.

Does that same standard apply to a monopoly that became so by
illegally "taking away Netscape's Air Supply", illegally hiding code in
Windows to kill DRDOS, and illegally engaging in secret agreements with
OEM's to deprive BeOS of market access? Does it apply to a monopoly that
agreed in the US antitrust case to open its API's to maretplace
competitors but is still dragging its feet years later, that refused to
document its networking APIs for years despite being ordered to do so by
the EU Commission and only relented when fined $600 million?

Or does it only apply to consumers operating at an extreme disadvantage in
the face of a monopoly whose illegal/immoral activities have deprived them
of the alternatives, lower prices, and higher quality that comes with
competition in the marketplace?

 

[Richard Urban]

Netscape died because their Internet browser was crap, and everyone of
importance knows that. Microsoft just kicked them when they were falling.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Justin]

This one is interesting. Here's a fresh outlook:

1. Why do PC's have more virus? Because there is more to be obtained from
PCs. How many Apples contain "highly wanted" information in the work place?
PCs? How many actual Apple units are floating out there in the world versus
PC?

2. Everyone I know steals MAC software. I don’t know a single person (face
to face) who ever "buys" apple software. The OS? Every single version
stolen! Why would you? There is NO protection what so ever! In fact the
only REAL protection on MAC software has come from MS.....and one app from
Adobe (network protection only but protection none the less). Apple
software is pirated every bit as much as PC software if not more. After all
they HAVE TO since they paid twice as much for their hardware then they
should have!