On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:38:01 -0500, "L."
<
[email protected]>
wrote:
not sure the issue. you may want to add one more router to
separate
the
two networks. Or use the Windows server as a router.
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
Situation.
We have high-speed cable running into building.
Two business'.
One has a server and 3 XP systems. Other has no server, 2
xp's
and
1x
98se(wireless, may upgrade to XP). We've been running off
the
same
connection's' and everyone can "see" everyones systems, etc.
The cable is attached to a Prestige 900 and then a Linksys 5
port
AND
then a
wireless Belkin router.
Nothing but problems getting this all to work. Small
problems
but
still
problems. When something "happens" everyone is affected....
Would like to seperate my system (2x XP and 1 98se) from
this.
1. Can I split the cable input (splitter) and run on my own
router?
2. If this can be done w/o cutting down internet speed or
causing
different
problems, can I still keep my systems hooked together w/o a
server
(file
sharing, etc.)?
HOW?
Wouldn't it be "easier" to completely seperate the two offices
by
splitting the cable coming into building?
I'm 'sorta" tied into their system, at their mercy and would
like
to
seperate completely.
They have the prestige 900, Linksys AND belkin wireless already.
If I can run a seperate cable line into my side of building,
then
I
can
set up my system's' and not care what they do. The only thing I
think
I
have to watch for is the type of splitter?.?
L.
The method of splitting the service will depend, specifically,
upon
what
type of
service it is. With most network services, you can't just
casually
split
the
cable, without the involvement of the company providing the
service.
The
cable
is their responsibility.
On the other hand, if you connect a router to the existing
modem,
you
can
split
the service that way. What's on your side of the modem is your
responsibility.
Re: Splitting service.
Charter hooked up one two-way splitter when installing boardband
into
building, one to router(internet) and other to TV so I was just
thinking
about putting a three-way splitter, instead of two-way, running
cable
over
to my side and disconnecting ALL my connections from their "stuff"
and
setting up my own system.
Chuck- had a great time in Cali. Remember helping me with "network
with
98se"? Got back to find out they "messed" with the setup and more
problems
keep popping up.><>!@!><
L. or L/P
Lem,
Hey, how's the Wabash LAN doing? Any more electrical storm fixes?
OK, regarding I guess cable broadband. Adding a cable node is
more
than
just
splitting (re splitting) the cable line, and connecting your own
modem.
Charter
will have to register the modem with their service. No
registration
=
no
service, and they will charge you for the service too.
The other consideration is the tap on the line. That will affect
the
signal for
everybody, and the signal affects bandwidth directly. Going from
a
2
way,
to a
3 way, split will be a 33% decrease in signal level, which could
cause
significant bandwidth change for the existing 2 businesses.
Charter
is
responsible for maintaining signal levels.
You can get more discussion on this issue in
comp.dcom.modems.cable.
Signal
quality is a very hot topic there. Also, the BBR Cable forum is
good,
and
they
have a separate forum for Charter customers.
<
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/charter>
Bottom line, if you want a separate service for the Internet,
you'll
need
a
separate account. Then you'll need a router on that. Or you can
hook
your
router to the existing connection, and continue with the existing
Internet
service. Either way, you don't have to have a server, you can run
peer-peer
completely.
Overall, we're doing great except they keep "tweaking" the system on
their
side.
I take off for a week and find out that they have added the Prestige
900
to
the mix.
I've upgraded one 98se to XP so I'm down to one 98se(wireless).
The 98se wireless is down, again, but so is his wireless XP laptop.
I'm
guessing they've got the Belkin plugged in wrong as we can connect
to
the
router but our internet speed is slower than an old 14.4 with bad
wiring.......
If adding another router to will do the trick, then that's what I'll
do.
suggestions...
I take it I can add a router before the connection goes to their
"mess"?
L. or L/P
You can setup your own LAN with your router, and your files will be
separate
from his. Your Internet service, if it comes thru his, will be
subject
to
whatever he is doing. Are you accessing his file server?
If you can do without his server, you might be better off getting
your
own
service, totally separate. But a router will be a good start.
Do not need or want to access his server. Since we both own part of
each
others business, we're ok(legally) with one service.
It's just that we decided to run the wires into his part of building
because
of location plus he "supposedly" has a guy who knows what he's doing
hooking
everything up.
He needs a server, I don't. In fact, I don't "need" to be able to
share
files, just internet BUT it's a nice benefit.
I'm just tired of all this "messing" around. I know he is also but
that's
his problem. Remember working like crazy to get my 1x wireless up and
running? Maybe we need another electrical storm!!
That's the main reason for the system seperation and my question
regarding
splitting the cable input as soon as it enters building and.or putting
MY
router ahead of anything he does over there.....
L.
OK, Lem,
So if you're not accessing his server, basically it's just an issue of
Internet
access.
As I see it, you have 2 options.
1) Continue to share his Internet service.
2) Have Charter setup a new service to you.
Advantages of shared Internet service, with you simply adding your
router:
1) Cheaper for both of you, I presume you're both sharing the cost?
2) Protects your resources from his access.
Disadvantages of shared Internet service:
1) Doesn't protect your Internet access from his messing around.
2) Doesn't protect his resources from you.
Advantages of new Internet service:
1) Protects your Internet access from his messing around.
2) Protects his resources from you.
Disadvantages of new Internet service:
1) More expensive for both of you.
So, my suggestion is that the both of you consider the options, and do
what's
best for both of you. The technical issues are the same for either
alternative.
You setup your own LAN, either using his Internet service or your own,
and
connecting your router to his or to your own modem should be the same
procedure.
But splitting the Internet service is a question for Charter, not for
you.
They
are responsible for maintaining your access, and for their cable.
--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from
experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
Again, thanks for the advise. Will talk it over next door and let you
know
what we decided.
IF I go with just a seperate router, I take it the router would hook
into
the Prestige 900, before his Linksys and Belkin? At least that would,
hopefully, stop some of the "messing around". I also thought a router
can
be
set up to provide SOME protection from each of us getting into the
others
files, etc. Confussed by your remarks under regarding protection of
resources(#2 on both posts);
Advantages of shared Internet service, with you simply adding your
router:
1) Cheaper for both of you, I presume you're both sharing the cost?
2) Protects your resources from his access.
and
Disadvantages of shared Internet service:
1) Doesn't protect your Internet access from his messing around.
2) Doesn't protect his resources from you.
L.
Lem,
If the two of you decide to share service, you'll only be able to
connect
one
router (either his or yours) to the modem - one service = one ip address
=
one
router connected to the modem. Whoever connects directly to the modem
will
provide service to the other.
Here's some nasty ASCII art (AND you will need a fixed pitch font to
view
it
properly).
Modem
|
|
Router A
|
_____________________________________________
| | |
Computer A1 Computer A2 Router B
|
_____________|__________
| |
Computer B1 Computer B2
To describe this in words, the modem will have 1 device connected to it:
Router
A. Router A will have 3 devices connected to it: Computers A1 and A2,
and
Router B.
Now Router A will be providing Internet service to Router B. Computers
B1
and
B2 won't be visible to Computer A1 or A2, just as neither LANs A or B
are
visible to the Internet as a whole. But LAN A, and Computers A1 and A2
will be
visible (accessible) to B1 and B2.
LAN A will provide service to LAN B, and LAN A won't be vulnerable to
any
changes in Router B. But, LAN B will be vulnerable to any changes made
to
Router A.
This is the cheapest solution, and is unbalanced.
When you look at these details, I think you see a third alternative. If
the two
of you have businesses, I think a balanced sharing makes more sense.
If you're going to share the service, you also need to share one router.
Then
each of you needs to connect your personal router to the shared router.
Once
you get the common router working, no "messing around" with it. Any
"messing
around" should be done to your own personal router.
In other words, you both own Router A. He owns Router B, and You own
Router C.
The two of you connect Router A to the modem, and connect Routers B and
C
to
Router A. He can make any changes he wants to Router B, and you can
make
any
changes you want to Router C. But no "messing around" with Router A.
Modem
|
Router A
|
__________________________
| |
Router B Router C
| |
________________________ ________________
| | | |
Computer B1 Computer B2 Computer C1 Computer C2
I hope this makes sense to you. It was truly a pain in the @ss to draw.
