Problems due to Index.dat Suite???

[oft]

[snip]

I'll do that if I find a link (hint)

Hint taken - got this link from the first of many pages found thru
google. http://www.devhood.com/tools/tool_details.aspx?tool_id=432

Some people including John Corliss prefer version 4 I think - can't
remember why, and I don't use it myself - too disorganised. I prefer
to install and unistall at will, then fix problems using regseeker, or
manually

Thanks for the link. After putting "Inctrl5" into google and visiting
about a dozen pages that said subscribe here or file no longer
available for download I thought I'd ask here and save some grief.
(56k modem)

BTW I put Inctrl5 through the same illogical procedure and it has no
objection to monitoring it's own installation.

[snip]


oft

 

[oft]

Alastair Smeaton <[email protected]>:

[...]

but I maintain that if the only problem with TUN was that
it could not monitor it's own installation, I could cope with that

Heh. Right with you there!

OK, I guess you can't see the contradiction then

oft

 

[oft]

Folks post obscure URLs for it from time to time, but I don't have those
recorded, sorry. A similar (though weaker) substitute could be using Regshot,
together with UndoReg. Only tracks registry, not file system, changes. And
lacks the valuable "ignore list" feature that Inctrl and Tun both have.
Small and quick at least. Here are the homepage URLs (unchecked for current
working order, perhaps you can report on that)...

Regshot
http://regshot.ist.md
UndoReg
http://spazioinwind.libero.it/neutronstar


Filemon + Regmon, I use them all the time, but their focus is quite separate.
An install monitor, it records _what has changed_, between one point in time
and another.

As do Filemon and Regmon, if that's how you configure them.

Filemon & Regmon, they tell you _what is accessed_, in real
time.

They will both log Opens, Reads and Writes, or any combination of the
three.
Thanks for the links.
oft

 

[Steven Burn]

BTW I put Inctrl5 through the same illogical procedure and it has no
objection to monitoring it's own installation.

</snip>

I know I'm a little behind on this convo but what the heck.

As far as I am concerned, if an app was developed for monitoring other app's
installations, and can't or won't, monitor it's own, then I wouldn't trust
it as far as I could throw it.

--

Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

 

[John Corliss]

oft wrote:


</snip>

I know I'm a little behind on this convo but what the heck.

As far as I am concerned, if an app was developed for monitoring other app's
installations, and can't or won't, monitor it's own, then I wouldn't trust
it as far as I could throw it.

InCtrl5 is okay, but it locked up on me during a few critical installs
when I formated and reinstalled everything last time. I no longer use
it as a result, and in any case, it's no longer (what I consider to
be) freeware. I now use Total Uninstall:

http://www.geocities.com/ggmartau/projects/projects.html

 

[Rob]

</snip>

I know I'm a little behind on this convo but what the heck.

As far as I am concerned, if an app was developed for monitoring
other app's installations, and can't or won't, monitor it's own, then
I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.

If you are that paranoid, using inCtrl5 to monitor the installation of Total
Uninstall. I think you find that the installation of Total Uninstall is
harmless. It would be a lot of work to design an installation program to
monitor its own installation before all the critical components got
installed.

IMHO Total Uninstall is far superior to InCtrl5. It is a lot easier to
uninstall programs completely with Total Uninstall. In fact you can't
completely uninstall programs with inCTRL5 unless you have some optional
programs.

Rob

 

[Steven Burn]

If you are that paranoid, using inCtrl5 to monitor the installation of Total
Uninstall. I think you find that the installation of Total Uninstall is
harmless. It would be a lot of work to design an installation program to
monitor its own installation before all the critical components got
installed.

IMHO Total Uninstall is far superior to InCtrl5. It is a lot easier to
uninstall programs completely with Total Uninstall. In fact you can't
completely uninstall programs with inCTRL5 unless you have some optional
programs.

Rob

I am extremely paranoid when it comes to software that I will install.
Always have been.

Regarding the uninstallers you've mentioned, I have actually tried both of
them (I wanted to uninstall a program called "Pressworks", unfortunately,
neither program would uninstall it, so I got shot of both of them.

--

Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

 

[Rob]

I am extremely paranoid when it comes to software that I will install.
Always have been.

Regarding the uninstallers you've mentioned, I have actually tried
both of them (I wanted to uninstall a program called "Pressworks",
unfortunately, neither program would uninstall it, so I got shot of
both of them.

Well I have been very fortunate using Total Uninstall. It has always been
able to uninstall programs for me. (Previously I used inCtrl5. It also
worked very well!)

The trick is to remember using Total Uninstall when first installing a
program so it can track all the changes made to the registry and the file
system. If you don't remember to use Total Uninstall when first installing
a program, Total Uninstall is pretty useless at uninstalling it!

Rob

 

[omega]

The trick is to remember using Total Uninstall when first installing a
program so it can track all the changes made to the registry and the file
system. If you don't remember to use Total Uninstall when first installing
a program, Total Uninstall is pretty useless at uninstalling it!

Any good uninstaller will work this way.

Once upon a time, I tried out a Mcafee uninstaller: it claimed to be able
to come in after the fact, to uninstall things. Naturally, it largely
failed. It was a trialware, timed out after thirty days, and I told it
to uninstall itself.

For more than a year after that, I kept finding not only its system files,
but also its stray registry entries everywhere, with weird names, and in
all manner of locations. The Mcafee uninstaller not only couldn't do the
job it proclaimed, but left behind, after uninstalling it, one of the most
serpentine messes I've seen.

 

[Shuttlecock]

[snip]

file system. If you don't remember to use Total Uninstall when first
installing a program, Total Uninstall is pretty useless at
uninstalling it!

Rob

Have you tried running TU and re-installing the same prog over the old ...
and then Tuninstalling it ?

 

[Steven Burn]

Have you tried running TU and re-installing the same prog over the old ...
and then Tuninstalling it ?

Yes.....it didn't work unfortunately, and the company that authored the
software seem impossible to contact (their website is there, but they never
answer queries).

--

Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

 

[omega]

Yes.....it didn't work unfortunately, and the company that authored the
software seem impossible to contact (their website is there, but they never
answer queries).

Steven, one way to go, /if/ you're up to expending the time....

Install that Pressworks program in another of your w98 machines, to get a
report. You can then transfer the .tun file to the machine where you wish
to uninstall.

Make sure to do a selective uninstall, however.

1. Any TUN user should run TUN without doing any install, but instead just
navigating around, doing ordinary tasks, using explorer, connecting to the
internet, running a few of their always-on apps, shutting down & restarting,
etc. Then add everything from that to TUN's ignore list.

2. For this special circumstance, Steven, do naturally pay attention to
the TUN log: make sure normal DLLs and file associations aren't involved.
If they are, then you'll have to examine (export as txt) and consider how
to proceed for any of those aspects. TUN will let you decide, during the
uninstall, what parts you want it to do.

 

[Steven Burn]

Steven, one way to go, /if/ you're up to expending the time....

Install that Pressworks program in another of your w98 machines, to get a
report. You can then transfer the .tun file to the machine where you wish
to uninstall.

Make sure to do a selective uninstall, however.

1. Any TUN user should run TUN without doing any install, but instead just
navigating around, doing ordinary tasks, using explorer, connecting to the
internet, running a few of their always-on apps, shutting down & restarting,
etc. Then add everything from that to TUN's ignore list.

2. For this special circumstance, Steven, do naturally pay attention to
the TUN log: make sure normal DLLs and file associations aren't involved.
If they are, then you'll have to examine (export as txt) and consider how
to proceed for any of those aspects. TUN will let you decide, during the
uninstall, what parts you want it to do.

</snip>

Karen,
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I've already tried that
(with several uninstallers besides TUN), it hasn't worked unfortunately (

I am working on writing a utility especially for it though, so I don't have
to worry in the future. (PressWorks uses it's own extension (DTP... same as
a few other app's, none of which I have installed, which just leaves
PressWorks)). If I ever get round to getting it finished, I'll post a notice
here about it. (and send a copy of the damn thing to the authors of
PressWorks, hehe).

For those interested, the programs homepage is: www.focusmm.co.uk (note
however, the program isn't freeware......I had to pay a tenner for a copy
from my local supermarket when I bought it in 2000)

--

Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)

 

[Mårten Mellberg]

Any good uninstaller will work this way.

Once upon a time, I tried out a Mcafee uninstaller: it claimed to be able
to come in after the fact, to uninstall things. Naturally, it largely
failed. It was a trialware, timed out after thirty days, and I told it
to uninstall itself.

For more than a year after that, I kept finding not only its system files,
but also its stray registry entries everywhere, with weird names, and in
all manner of locations. The Mcafee uninstaller not only couldn't do the
job it proclaimed, but left behind, after uninstalling it, one of the most
serpentine messes I've seen.

You should have installed Mcafee uninstaller though Total Uninstaller

 

[omega]

You should have installed Mcafee uninstaller though Total Uninstaller

True....

Problem was that back then, I didn't fully know better. In fact it was
around the same month where I signed up a relative for AT&T's $5/month ISP
service, as a backup, during a weekend visit. It never occurred to me that
it was an adware service - where you actually pay to receive their ads. And
they wouldn't let you cancel by phone. And he couldn't log into the account.
And they billed his credit card for about six months, until he got around
to dealing with it. Well, at least not being able to log in...that did
mean he didn't have to receive the ads they charged him for.

Not one of my best months: Mcafee megabloat-ware, and then AT&T adware.

Confessions continued: Then there was the year before, 99 or 98, when
I installed on a friend's machine that horrid spyware download manager,
(Gator ?). Result, she started getting a lot of crashes. She expressed
much appreciation to me when I blindly tried to investigate the cause....
Those days, there was almost no awareness about adware + spyware, with all
its malignancy.... Yet I still shudder from the memory, from havingbeen
a helping elf for that manner of beast.