Pricelessware CD Updates as at today

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Ben Cooper

Ceg said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why there is a
difference between burning a CD or posting an image of the CD (copy
of the finished CD not ISO) in an ftp area for download. Is it in
your license that the only way the expanded files may be distributed
is in the form of a physical CD?
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From http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CD2004PL.htm ...
"Redistribution of the CD:

Pricelessware programs are included if the author freely allows
redistribution and/or gave permission to the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup
to include the program on this CD.

You may make copies of this CD and distribute them to others. Recipients
may be asked to furnish a blank CD. They may not be asked to pay a fee
of any kind.

dvdsig.exe is a program that may be used to verify the CD. Doubleclik on
the program and choose verify.

Title.bmp contains a graphic image to use for a cover for the CD."

Which part are you having trouble understanding?

The ISO distribution is covered in the email Susan sent to the program
owners.
See http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/proposal-CD.htm

A few people seem to have trouble understanding the nature of the
project. It's a *burning* project, not a *distribution* project. If you
want the programs but don't want to request a PW2004 CD, then go to the
Pricelessware site and choose which programs you want to download.
 
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Ceg

Ben Cooper said:
From http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CD2004PL.htm ...
"Redistribution of the CD:
You may make copies of this CD and distribute them to others. Recipients
may be asked to furnish a blank CD. They may not be asked to pay a fee
of any kind.
Which part are you having trouble understanding?
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Gee...let me clear out alot of the fluff. It was probably this part here...
"You may make copies of this CD"

But, when I state that I want to make a copy of the CD (see quote 2 lines
up) and post it in my ftp server for people to be able to download I'm told
that your license doesn't allow that.
 
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Anonymous

|It's for 100% ceratin that nobody *else* has any authority or mandate to
|speak *for* the group or try to lay the law down.

Nor does Susan.


|I suggest that you are the *only mandated* spokesperson/authority for
|ACF, particularly on matters Pricelessware. Certainly the only one *I*
|am aware of and recognise.

I disagree. A.C.F is seperate from Pricelessware.org. If
anything Pricelessware falls under the umbrella of A.C.F.
Pricelessware is a group of people from A.C.F who think certain
programs merit special attention. A.C.F was here before
Pricelessware. If not for A.C.F there would be no Priclessware.

Susan is just the webmaster of the Pricelessware site. She has a
vote in how things are done on the Priclessware site and that is
all. Pricelessware is a community and I do not recall an
election where Susan or anyone else was chosen as the leader or
Pricelessware.

Your take on thing may be different from mine but I can assure
you that Susan does not speak for me.

-=-
 
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Ben Cooper

Ceg said:
Gee...let me clear out alot of the fluff. It was probably this part
here... "You may make copies of this CD"

But, when I state that I want to make a copy of the CD (see quote 2
lines up) and post it in my ftp server for people to be able to
download I'm told that your license doesn't allow that.
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You don't seem able to grasp the nuance of the language. No one is
trying to stop you from distributing what you want to distribute.
Volunteering to burn a PW2004 CD or offering a PW2004 ISO download of
the CD's content is acceptable. Anything other than that should not be
considered to fall under the auspices of Pricelessware.
 
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Ceg

Ben Cooper said:
You don't seem able to grasp the nuance of the language. No one is
trying to stop you from distributing what you want to distribute.
Volunteering to burn a PW2004 CD or offering a PW2004 ISO download of
the CD's content is acceptable. Anything other than that should not be
considered to fall under the auspices of Pricelessware.
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I reckon. I don't waste my time deciphering doublespeak, used car
salesmanship nor fertilizer sales people either. Which leads to the
conclusion that you are either avoiding answering my question or
intentionally just talking in circles and not saying anything. I choose to
believe that you're really not as ignorant as you portray yourself to be.
 
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Susan Bugher

Ceg said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why there is a difference
between burning a CD or posting an image of the CD (copy of the finished CD
not ISO) in an ftp area for download. Is it in your license that the only
way the expanded files may be distributed is in the form of a physical CD?
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You want to post a "copy of the finished CD not ISO". A downloaded copy
of the ISO can be used to make perfect copies of the PW2004 CD. A "copy
of the finished CD not ISO" cannot. The size is 500+ MB in either case.

The user benefits you listed yesterday for a downloadable "copy of the
finished CD not ISO" turned out not to be benefits. Is there some
benefit you *haven't* mentioned?

IOW - what is the point of this discussion?

Susan
 
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Ceg

Susan Bugher said:
CD?


You want to post a "copy of the finished CD not ISO". A downloaded copy
of the ISO can be used to make perfect copies of the PW2004 CD. A "copy
of the finished CD not ISO" cannot. The size is 500+ MB in either case.

The user benefits you listed yesterday for a downloadable "copy of the
finished CD not ISO" turned out not to be benefits. Is there some
benefit you *haven't* mentioned?

IOW - what is the point of this discussion?
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I guess there is no point in discussing this any further since in your
infinite wisdom you have deemed that there shall be no persons needing help
downloading the files from the CD. People will either have to obtain a
physical CD or attempt to download the 500+ meg file and most likely not get
the entire file the first 4 or 5 attempts. Nobody shall have a desire or
need to download sections at a time in order to obtain all the files making
up the CD.

I just can't figure out why you people have such a distaste for anyone
outside your little circle attempting to help anyone. We don't all thrive
on ego-massaging. I'm not looking for any credit. I was offering to put
the files into an ftp space where people could get as few or as many files
at a time as they were able. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not looking
for credit nor pats on the back. I'm currently running 3 seperate news
servers, an email server, a web server and an ftp server along with various
other resources. I don't have the time nor desire for the load of crap I've
been getting in regard to this whole situation. I have tried to get
questions answered and have been getting the same run around over and over
again and not hearing any answers in relation to my questions.

As far as I'm concerned you and your little circle of 6 can take this
collection of programs and go massage yourselves. I'm done with it and it's
quite doubtful that I will ever offer to help anyone in this newsgroup again
with matters relating to helping distribute files.

There's no need to reply. I'm done with this and I'm OOTT (out of this
thread).
 
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Rincewind

I guess there is no point in discussing this any further since in your
infinite wisdom you have deemed that there shall be no persons needing help
downloading the files from the CD. People will either have to obtain a
physical CD or attempt to download the 500+ meg file and most likely not get
the entire file the first 4 or 5 attempts. Nobody shall have a desire or
need to download sections at a time in order to obtain all the files making
up the CD.
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You seem to be missing the point, AFAIK you can get any of the individual
files/programmes that are on the CD from the pricelessware site, and many
others. In fact any file I have downloaded from Pricelessware has been a
link to another site.

Providing the EULA allows it or you have the Authors permission, there is
no reason why you can't host/mirror the programmes as well, in fact most
authors would welcome it. You just can't call it pricelessware.
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=

Ceg said:
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why there is a difference
between burning a CD or posting an image of the CD (copy of the finished CD
not ISO) in an ftp area for download. Is it in your license that the only
way the expanded files may be distributed is in the form of a physical CD?
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YES! The group has control over the CD but not over the download.
HTH
Omar
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=

Anonymous said:
|It's for 100% ceratin that nobody *else* has any authority or mandate to
|speak *for* the group or try to lay the law down.

Nor does Susan.

|I suggest that you are the *only mandated* spokesperson/authority for
|ACF, particularly on matters Pricelessware. Certainly the only one *I*
|am aware of and recognise.

I disagree. A.C.F is seperate from Pricelessware.org. If
anything Pricelessware falls under the umbrella of A.C.F.
Pricelessware is a group of people from A.C.F who think certain
programs merit special attention. A.C.F was here before
Pricelessware. If not for A.C.F there would be no Priclessware.

Susan is just the webmaster of the Pricelessware site. She has a
vote in how things are done on the Priclessware site and that is
all. Pricelessware is a community and I do not recall an
election where Susan or anyone else was chosen as the leader or
Pricelessware.

Your take on thing may be different from mine but I can assure
you that Susan does not speak for me.

-=-
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Then you **should post your name** anonymous does not really mean much to
me
or the group
Omar.
 
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Anonymous

|YES! The group has control over the CD but not over the download.
|HTH

Wrong. The group HAD control over the CD. Once the CD was
distributed they group lost any control they had.

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Teranews

Susan Bugher said:
<SNIP>

Hi Danny,

Volunteers are always welcome but please *ask* the group's permission
before you do something like this. The Pricelessware CD belongs to the
*group* and the group consensus was that it would not be updated until
after the 2005 selection process.

There is an additional problem. You have listed versions and version
types that are not consistent with the versions chosen by the group.

The first example I see is the second program on your list - AiRoboForm
v5.6.6 - see:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004DESKTOP.htm#A125

AI RoboForm
(Freeware) (last available uncrippled version)
download v 4.6.8 (AiRoboForm-4-6-8.exe) (740 KB)

You have changed it to a crippled version.

I'm sure your intention was to be helpful but this sort of post can
cause a lot of unnecessary confusion. Please propose a course of action
to the group and get some feedback before you act.

Susan
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AiRoboForm - crippled because of the limit of number of passcards?
There is a work around.
Create additional folders where the data is located and you can switch
folders from the browser.

I agree, though, that there will be no updates to the CD, but I always like
to use the latest version available.

maybe I should change the subject to simply Software updates (not official)
to the Pricelessware CD since the release or I should not make any reference
to the said CD

Please advise
 
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Steven Burn

Teranews said:
AiRoboForm - crippled because of the limit of number of passcards?
There is a work around.
Create additional folders where the data is located and you can switch
folders from the browser.
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Work-arounds or no, it's still crippleware ;o)

--

Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Personal favourites

WebGrid - www.webgrid.co.uk
Freeware Arena - www.freewarearena.com
Freeware Home - www.freewarehome.com
Pricelessware - http://www.pricelessware.org
Practically Nerded - http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Bugs, Glitches n stuff - http://mvps.org/inetexplorer/Darnit.htm
Calendar of Updates - http://www.dozleng.com/updates/index.php?&act=calendar
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=

Anonymous said:
|YES! The group has control over the CD but not over the download.
|HTH

Wrong. The group HAD control over the CD. Once the CD was
distributed they group lost any control they had.

-=-
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and your name is............?????????/
Omar
 
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John Fitzsimons

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:47:13 -0500, Ceg wrote:
<snip>
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You seem to be missing the point, AFAIK you can get any of the individual
files/programmes that are on the CD from the pricelessware site,
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Agreed. I think that part of the problem is that people don't
understand why going to Ceg's site would be any better than simply
going to the PL site.

< snip >

At present one has two options for downloading. One can get individual
files or a 500MB+ ISO.

I suggested in ;

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:24:46 +1000
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

a third option. That Ceg consider offering eg. 10 x 50MB "chunks" for
download but as he didn't comment I don't know whether he saw my post.

Regards, John.

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/ Oz \ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia.
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Rincewind

John,
Dialup users cannot download 500 or 50 megs - I don't see the point.
POKO
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I'm on dialup and ICAN (If I really want to) download any size file with
the aid of a download manager. In the past I have downloaded 2 distro's of
linux, about 3Gb in total. But by god it took a long time :)
 
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Semolina Pilchard

I'm on dialup and ICAN (If I really want to) download any size file with
the aid of a download manager. In the past I have downloaded 2 distro's of
linux, about 3Gb in total. But by god it took a long time :)
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Me too, as the AOLers supposedly say. I've downloaded the Open Office
package via my miserable 56k. It's not really practical, though. I,
for instance, have only one phone line, so I'm tying it up for a long
time. While that gives me some relief from all the sales calls, it
might block someone who had a good reason to talk to me. Also, a file
that took 4 hours to download and turns out to be corrupt, which
happens, is a real disaster.

A significant proportion of people in the UK are on pay-by-the-minute
dial-up, which makes larger downloads quite expensive. For these
reasons I'm *very* grateful for the work put in by Susan and others to
make the CD available to us poor, downtrodden dial-up users, and I'm
not so anxious for updates that I can't wait until next year. The
really big freeware programs that I use, like Open Office and Rag Time
Solo work very well at their present state of development.

There has been a steady demand for copies of the CD and many of those
I have supplied plan to pass it on to friends and colleagues. I'd say
it has been a very worthwhile exercise.
 
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Susan Bugher

There is a work around.
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But that's beside the point. The version that was selected as
Pricelessware is the last uncrippled version. That should not be
changed. Note: there are other PW programs that are "last uncrippled
versions": Popcorn, Mailwasher. . .
I agree, though, that there will be no updates to the CD, but I always like
to use the latest version available.
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Many people do - OTOH many people prefer to wait for stable releases.
Newbies are usually told to *avoid* beta releases. . .

In general the version shown on the Pricelessware List is the most
recent *stable* release.
maybe I should change the subject to simply Software updates (not official)
to the Pricelessware CD since the release or I should not make any reference
to the said CD

Please advise
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Hi Danny,

Perhaps "Recent updates - Pricelessware Programs" or similar. . .

You shouldn't use Pricelessware *List* if you show beta updates. . .

You shouldn't use "Pricelessware CD Updates" - since the PL2004 CD will
not change.

I don't know if your list shows all updates or just updates for programs
that are included on the CD - probably a good idea to explain what is or
is not on the list - perhaps also say updates since: _______.

HTH

Susan
 
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Teranews

Steven Burn said:
Work-arounds or no, it's still crippleware ;o)

--

Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Personal favourites

WebGrid - www.webgrid.co.uk
Freeware Arena - www.freewarearena.com
Freeware Home - www.freewarehome.com
Pricelessware - http://www.pricelessware.org
Practically Nerded - http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/
Bugs, Glitches n stuff - http://mvps.org/inetexplorer/Darnit.htm
Calendar of Updates - http://www.dozleng.com/updates/index.php?&act=calendar
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maybe I should elaborate
actually it is not a work around
but a new feature
I have more than 50 passcards and in the past I had to change for a
particular passcard
by organising all my passcards to different folders, eg. banking, email,
news, etc
I can simply switch to what group that I want to use
try the latest version and see the difference
 
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