POP-UP ads....DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven Dag Korsnes:

There are some web pages you can't open with other browsers. If
anybody knows a browser that will open an area on this interactive
map: http://casa.sapo.pt/ , I'll abandon IE right away! I have
tried Opera, Mozillas, Netscape and others.

http://casa.sapo.pt/mapas/mapa.swf ?

Sometimes designers make bad choices... so keep IE on your computer
for those rare times. Tell the webmaster about your dissatisfaction as
well. I'd wager they could rent more Apartamentos if 20% more visitors
could use the site.

(I guess those are apartments?)

 

[null]

There are some web pages you can't open with other browsers. If anybody
knows a browser that will open an area on this interactive map:
http://casa.sapo.pt/ , I'll abandon IE right away! I have tried Opera,
Mozillas, Netscape and others.

I tried with IE6 and got the message that activex must be enabled.
Ain't no way 'Jose Is that what you have to do at that site? Enable
activex?


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Roy Coorne]

Gregg Cattanach wrote:
....

These "use Mozilla" posts whenever anyone has a issue with IE are as
annoying as posts that suggest Linux should be used instead whenever someone
posts a problem with their Windows installation. They are ultimately
off-topic and completely unhelpful.

Not at all. Switching from Windows to Linux means to enter a totally
new OS world, whereas Mozilla (Firefox, Thunderbird) instead of IE/OE
fits nearly perfectly into the well-known WinWorld.

Roy

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven (e-mail address removed):

I tried with IE6 and got the message that activex must be enabled.
Ain't no way 'Jose Is that what you have to do at that site?
Enable activex?

Yes, ActiveX must be enabled, along with JavaScript. Mine is set to
Prompt. After looking at the source, I made the decision there was not
likely anything malicious going to happen. <g>

It was fine, just IE-centric.

 

[null]

Quoth the raven (e-mail address removed):


Yes, ActiveX must be enabled, along with JavaScript. Mine is set to
Prompt. After looking at the source, I made the decision there was not
likely anything malicious going to happen. <g>

It was fine, just IE-centric.

Yep. But John and Mary Typical don't have the savvy to View Source and
understand what they're seeing. They'll lower their security settings
and forget they have done so (if they even had them set high in the
first place). Far better for John and Mary to use Mozilla or one of
its cousins and suffer the losses of features on some dumb sites than
suffer with endless infestations .... and get suckered into endless
extra dubuous "protection" software crap just so they can use IE.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven (e-mail address removed):

Yep. But John and Mary Typical don't have the savvy to View Source
and understand what they're seeing. They'll lower their security
settings and forget they have done so (if they even had them set
high in the first place). Far better for John and Mary to use
Mozilla or one of its cousins and suffer the losses of features on
some dumb sites than suffer with endless infestations .... and get
suckered into endless extra dubuous "protection" software crap just
so they can use IE.

I'm in complete agreement, Art. Mr. and Mrs. Typical would not know to
read the source. I only looked because Dag Korsnes mentioned the site.

Recently, there was an item on our local 11 O'Clock news, where the
broadcaster stated that spyware/malware/whateverware is becoming a
serious problem. <g> She stated that "91% of computers connected to
the Internet are infected." Naturally, the screen shots used in the
piece were all from Internet Explorer...

I also spoke with a third-level Roadrunner tech last month. He said,
off the cuff, that a third of their support calls involved spyware
problems, but as company policy, he (they) were not permitted to
recommend that the customer switch to a better browser. Just last
evening, an AT&T support tech in their newsgroups stated that they
would rather not recommend another browser as it may confuse the
subscriber.

Sad.

 

[null]

Just last
evening, an AT&T support tech in their newsgroups stated that they
would rather not recommend another browser as it may confuse the
subscriber.

Sad.

Probably most IE users (which means most Windows users) don't even
know how to find their security settings. I wonder if the tech support
people refuse to confuse users by telling them how to find the options
and set them. It's crazy. And hopeless


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Shane]

the Internet are infected."

I knew I was in a minority, but I didn't think it was that small!


Shane

 

[Dag Korsnes]

Quoth the raven Dag Korsnes:


http://casa.sapo.pt/mapas/mapa.swf ?

Sometimes designers make bad choices... so keep IE on your computer
for those rare times. Tell the webmaster about your dissatisfaction as
well. I'd wager they could rent more Apartamentos if 20% more visitors
could use the site.

(I guess those are apartments?)
--

I'll ask my wife to send a mail to Sapo. (She is portugese). It's a pity
more and more sites are disigned with only IE in mind. We visit this site
(http://casa.sapo.pt/) a lot, as we are looking for a house. It should be a
simple way to temporarily adjust the security settings in IE (click of a
button).

 

[BoB]

Quoth the raven (e-mail address removed):


I'm in complete agreement, Art. Mr. and Mrs. Typical would not know to
read the source. I only looked because Dag Korsnes mentioned the site.

Recently, there was an item on our local 11 O'Clock news, where the
broadcaster stated that spyware/malware/whateverware is becoming a
serious problem. <g> She stated that "91% of computers connected to
the Internet are infected." Naturally, the screen shots used in the
piece were all from Internet Explorer...

I also spoke with a third-level Roadrunner tech last month. He said,
off the cuff, that a third of their support calls involved spyware
problems, but as company policy, he (they) were not permitted to
recommend that the customer switch to a better browser. Just last
evening, an AT&T support tech in their newsgroups stated that they
would rather not recommend another browser as it may confuse the
subscriber.

Sad.

Dell recently stated something to the effect that their support
would not extend to recommendations for removing spyware as it
may involve legal advertisers.

As Art said, "It's crazy. And hopeless"

BoB

 

[Jason Wade]

Quoth the raven (e-mail address removed):


I'm in complete agreement, Art. Mr. and Mrs. Typical would not know to
read the source. I only looked because Dag Korsnes mentioned the site.

Recently, there was an item on our local 11 O'Clock news, where the
broadcaster stated that spyware/malware/whateverware is becoming a
serious problem. <g> She stated that "91% of computers connected to
the Internet are infected." Naturally, the screen shots used in the
piece were all from Internet Explorer...

I also spoke with a third-level Roadrunner tech last month. He said,
off the cuff, that a third of their support calls involved spyware
problems, but as company policy, he (they) were not permitted to
recommend that the customer switch to a better browser. Just last
evening, an AT&T support tech in their newsgroups stated that they
would rather not recommend another browser as it may confuse the
subscriber.

Sad.

That depresses me right there. At times, I want to think that
we're going to turn the corner soon. That people will start using
safer software and isp's will be willing to educate their
users on safe hex.

Then I hear this

Maybe it's time that responsible and intelligent netizens create
form themselves a new, more secure global network.

Of course, after the responsible people are gone, the remaining
internet will decompose into a mass of virus and spam.

 

[buzz Light Beer]

Yep. But John and Mary Typical don't have the savvy to View Source and
understand what they're seeing. They'll lower their security settings
and forget they have done so (if they even had them set high in the
first place). Far better for John and Mary to use Mozilla or one of
its cousins and suffer the losses of features on some dumb sites than
suffer with endless infestations .... and get suckered into endless
extra dubuous "protection" software crap just so they can use IE.


Art

Well said, Art
I got the latest M$ security patches and noticed that one of the IE
patches was required if IE was installed...even if you use another
browser.
I use Opera as my default browser....still trying to figure out how an
IE patch will help secure Opera.... installed it anyway....as I do all
security patches..........<sigh>
bLB

 

[null]

Well said, Art
I got the latest M$ security patches and noticed that one of the IE
patches was required if IE was installed...even if you use another
browser.
I use Opera as my default browser....still trying to figure out how an
IE patch will help secure Opera.... installed it anyway....as I do all
security patches..........<sigh>
bLB

In general, I think it's a good idea to keep IE6 patched and set on
max security since it's so embedded in Windows, and it might be used
on rare occasions. Certainly those who use OE should keep IE patched
since they're entwined. Some third party software won't run unless IE
is installed ... though personally I avoid such software.

An exception is Win 98 original (and probably Win 95 and maybe 98SE).
I had used IERadicator early on with '98, and went even further to gut
the IE HTML rendering engine (just in case some app tried to use it).
I deleted OE as well, of course. No need for IE patches in that case.
I did install all the critical '98 OS security patches.

With Win ME (and presumably W2K SP1) there is too much loss of Windows
features and functions to permanently eradicate IE. And IEadicator
isn't speciified to work at all on later versions of Windows.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[FromTheRafters]

I got the latest M$ security patches and noticed that one of the IE
patches was required if IE was installed...even if you use another
browser.
I use Opera as my default browser....still trying to figure out how an
IE patch will help secure Opera....

I don't think it does actually. The problem is that browsers aren't
the only thing in MSworld to use HTML, and the HTML rendering
was at fault. I'm not sure, but it might have been a .chm (compiled
help file) exploit that was being addressed by that patch. I remember
wondering myself at how Microsoft says IE is an integral part if the
OS when it is convenient for them to do so, yet a critical patch is
passed off as an IE vulnerability rather than an OS vulnerability
when that suits their purpose.

 

[Kevin]

Dell recently stated something to the effect that their support

would not extend to recommendations for removing spyware as it ^^^^^^^^^
may involve legal advertisers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As Art said, "It's crazy. And hopeless"

Sounds like an OXYMORON. I can't believe that it was used in the same
sentence.

 

[rferoni]

I think I need some more info...

Thanks all, will be checking out Mozilla.....

Ron

 

[matt]

There are some web pages you can't open with other browsers. If anybody
knows a browser that will open an area on this interactive map:
http://casa.sapo.pt/ , I'll abandon IE right away! I have tried Opera,
Mozillas, Netscape and others.

Firefox 0.8 with various plugins installed (with the help of the
plug-in FAQ) let me view the site correctly (as far as i could judge -
I can't really read what was on the site)

 

[E.D.]

The OP didn't ask about security issues, just about pop-ups. I would guess
that Mozilla or Opera would qualify at 'third-party silliness" ? I'm sure
they are wonderful products, but that's not the point. The vast quantity of
IE insucurities have been patches by MS and only extremely obscure and rare
exploits still occur.

These "use Mozilla" posts whenever anyone has a issue with IE are as
annoying as posts that suggest Linux should be used instead whenever someone
posts a problem with their Windows installation. They are ultimately
off-topic and completely unhelpful.

Gregg C.

Hear hear. I have been using firefox for a while and it needs a lot of extra
installs before it has some functionality, also downloading is a pest. Apart
from the fact that you hardly get a chance to see where it actually
downloads, the option 'open' as opposed to 'save to disk' usually does not
work correctly. I have 'moved up in life to a decent browser' but I am
seriously considering to 'move down in live' again

 

[E.D.]

Gregg Cattanach wrote:
...

Not at all. Switching from Windows to Linux means to enter a totally
new OS world, whereas Mozilla (Firefox, Thunderbird) instead of IE/OE
fits nearly perfectly into the well-known WinWorld.

Roy

Thunderbird can't read hotmail without third part software. Yes I know,
people should not be using that ancient e-mail system but millions do

 

[E.D.]

There are some web pages you can't open with other browsers. If anybody
knows a browser that will open an area on this interactive map:
http://casa.sapo.pt/ , I'll abandon IE right away! I have tried Opera,
Mozillas, Netscape and others.

I thought firefox could let you set the useragent.
Just tried: yes firefox accesses that site. Just switch the user agent under
'Tools'