NG favourite newsreader

[Tiger]

»Q«
"KEEP BIG BROTHER'S HANDS OFF THE INTERNET"
By Senator John Ashcroft
<http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/1097/ijge/gj-7.htm>

Priceless. This coming from O'Brian[1] himself.

[1] Principle character in "1984" who disguises himself as a "caring,
loving" person, all the while trying to convert people to "the truth."

--
Tiger

"Zero is where the fun starts
There is too much counting everywhere else."
- Hafiz

 

[DAN]

Amen, brother! Let all hear the good GNUs and rejoice!

Groaaan!

 

[Onno]

[another anti-Xnews rant]

yawn

 

[tlshell]

OR...
Learn how to communicate with each other without dictating
how the other person replies.

The problem is that the software was born broken, thanks to Microsoft.
It's up to users to implement after-market fixes that bring it into
compliance. It's like anything that has to be interoperable, if one is
broken, it affects how everything else works as well.

Or, don't use the program. The choice is simple enough...

 

[rir3760]

It was a dark and stormy night when SINNER

* Ben Cooper Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Wed, 3 Sep 2003
21:28:19 -0700:

[snip over quoted poorly wrapped text]

OR...
Learn how to communicate with each other without dictating how
the other person replies.

If you saw what you just posted in any other client then OE you
would understand the problem.

But I can't ;-)

Your newsreader rendered the quoted text unreadable. Its not about
telling people what to do, its a combination of courtesy and
common sense.

I'm using Xnews 5.04.25 and Ben Cooper's message looks OK to me, not
one line of quoted text is broken and they seem to have a length of
(aprox.) 70 chars.

Do you have any idea/advice why it looks OK in Xnews?

Regards

 

[SINNER]

* rir3760 Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on 4 Sep 2003 12:56:24 GMT:

It was a dark and stormy night when SINNER

* Ben Cooper Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Wed, 3 Sep 2003
21:28:19 -0700:

[snip over quoted poorly wrapped text]

OR...
Learn how to communicate with each other without dictating how
the other person replies.

If you saw what you just posted in any other client then OE you
would understand the problem.

But I can't ;-)

Small sample:

Versions of OE which strip spaces strip them from every line of a
post, not just in the sig.

END Sample

I'm using Xnews 5.04.25 and Ben Cooper's message looks OK to me, not
one line of quoted text is broken and they seem to have a length of
(aprox.) 70 chars.

Do you have any idea/advice why it looks OK in Xnews?

No, but I am sure someone does.

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Penny Lane: Famous people are just more interesting.

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[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

I'm using Xnews 5.04.25 and Ben Cooper's message looks OK to me,
not one line of quoted text is broken and they seem to have a
length of (aprox.) 70 chars.

Do you have any idea/advice why it looks OK in Xnews?

Luu Tran some time ago implemented a "fix badly wrapped text"
feature. It fixes much of the bad formatting that OE produces.

It's on by default, and you can toggle it via the dropdown 'view'
menu. There's a way to turn it off for good by adding a line to
xnews.ini - this is documented somewhere in changes.txt.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I use Xnews to download and assemble multi-part binaries all the time,
and don't need any other programs to do so.

Interesting. I asked in news.software.readers ;

"Can one view graphics in one of the panes of Xnews ? Like
Dialog does. If so how ?"

and the answer I got was ;

"Multipart jpgs do not display on line. You can save and view them
offline."

Are you saying that that answer was incorrect ?

With Dialog one can view graphics such as jpegs inline whether they
are multiparts, or not. Whether one is online or not. Without going to
any external program for decoding or viewing. Can XNews do that ?

As for in-line display, are
you saying that Dialog will display the PDFs and zips I download
without using Acrobat reader or a ZIP utilty?

I think most people would understand that inline display of binaries
would be meaning inline display of images such as jpegs etc. Don't
know why you would think differently though.

We all know you're on
some psychotic anti-Xnews had,

Well, we know that you are an XNews fanatic that is terrified that
someone might consider using/trying some newsreader other than
XNews. However much better that newsreader might be.

No idea what an "anti-Xnews had" is.

but please try to let at least a few
facts make their way into one, or preferably both, of your sad little
neurons.

Pretty pathetic way to correct someone's comments. Are you generally
so childish ? If you want to act as a twelve year old then that is
fine by me. Rather odd however if you happen to be any older than
that.

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

<news:[email protected]>:

Versions of OE which strip spaces strip them from /every/ line of a
post, not just in the sig.

Ah ! Thanks. No wonder it is such a problem then !

Erm, no, the space would vanish. But I am sure that is what you
meant to type.

Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks.

A far better solution is to upgrade to the latest version of OE,
which does not strip the trailing spaces of sig delimiters. Or to
use OEQF, if a user is unwilling to upgrade to the latest OE. Or to
stop using OE altogether.

Well, I chose the last choice. As I help users that use OE I like to
know about other options as well though. Does anyone know whether
OE can be upgraded alone ? Without upgrading IE as well ?


Regards, John.

 

[Brian Tillman]

Yes, Outlook Express without OE-Quotefix is unusable in newsgroups.

And why would that be? I use Outlook Express in newsgroups without
OE-Quotefix. I never have trouble and everyone seems to be able to read my
posts.

In fact, I've tried OE-Quotefix and it does way too much to suit me.
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[SINNER]

* Brian Tillman Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:30:35 -0400:

And why would that be? I use Outlook Express in newsgroups without
OE-Quotefix. I never have trouble and everyone seems to be able to read my
posts.

Other then the fact that you removed the attribution, your right, your
post is fine. However, the sig delimiter bug was only recently fixed,
so depending on how long youve had a sig and how long youve been using
outlook, it debatable that your posts have _always_ been that way.

 

[badgolferman]

And why would that be? I use Outlook Express in newsgroups without
OE-Quotefix. I never have trouble and everyone seems to be able to
read my posts.

In fact, I've tried OE-Quotefix and it does way too much to suit me.

The main thing it does is clean up the messy quoting that OE displays.
Certainly you have noticed the broken/short lines of a post that has all
the >>>'s in front of it. It also colors the various levels of replies
within a post. If you prefer to bottom-post it automatically puts the
cursor at the bottom of the Compose window. There are other nifty
things it does also. The beauty of the program is that it works with
OE, it doesn't replace it. Take a look at the website's examples. It
really makes a difference in the ease of viewing.

 

[Onno]

Interesting. I asked in news.software.readers ;

"Can one view graphics in one of the panes of Xnews ?

Viewing graphics and assembling multipart binaries are two very different
things. You're comparing apples and oranges here.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Viewing graphics and assembling multipart binaries are two very different
things. You're comparing apples and oranges here.

How could one view a multi part graphic without assembling it first ?

Dialog assembles, and displays, one part, and multi-part, graphics
without the use of any other software or programs. Inline. Does XNews
do that ?

Or does XNews assemble multipart graphics but not display the result ?

Regards, John.

 

[Gord McFee]

On 2003-09-04 9:52 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:

[...]

Well, I chose the last choice. As I help users that use OE I like to
know about other options as well though. Does anyone know whether
OE can be upgraded alone ? Without upgrading IE as well ?

Not as far as I know; it is "bundled" with IE.

The latest version of OE has fixed the sig delimiter problem, but the
quoting problem remains. I would suggest that anyone who uses OE should
install OE-QuoteFix, which repairs this.

 

[DC]

On 2003-09-04 9:52 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote:

[...]

Well, I chose the last choice. As I help users that use OE I like to
know about other options as well though. Does anyone know whether
OE can be upgraded alone ? Without upgrading IE as well ?

Not as far as I know; it is "bundled" with IE.

You mean like IE is bundled with the OS? Like the OS is bundled with
your computer? Like...

<sings>

The foot bone's connected to the...leg bone, and the leg bone's connected
to the...

</sings>

Monopoly. That's what it's all about. }:O)

[snip]

 

[Gord McFee]

In

* badgolferman Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Tue, 2 Sep 2003
23:20:15 -0400:


unfortunately that seems to be true, and in the hands of a newb or
someone that really doesn't care, OE is a disaster. If the user goes
through the pains of configuring it correctly and adding either
fidolook or quotefix it can be an OK reader, but for the most part, it

sucks.

 

[Gord McFee]

In

* badgolferman Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Tue, 2 Sep 2003
23:20:15 -0400:


unfortunately that seems to be true, and in the hands of a newb or
someone that really doesn't care, OE is a disaster. If the user goes
through the pains of configuring it correctly and adding either
fidolook or quotefix it can be an OK reader, but for the most part, it
sucks.

I agree in respect of newbies or those who don't care, although the latest
version has fixed the sig delimiter problem, and most of the security
problems by default. It hasn't however fixed the quoting problem, which is
really unacceptable. One really has to use OE-QuoteFix to avoid the mess.

But in general terms, a newsreader is only as good as its user. Anyone who
cares will take the time to dig down below the first level of features/menus
and try to learn a little bit about the program. At the end of the day, the
best newsreader for a person is the one he or she prefers.

Just my $.02.

 

[Gord McFee]

In

* badgolferman Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Tue, 2 Sep 2003
23:20:15 -0400:


unfortunately that seems to be true, and in the hands of a newb or
someone that really doesn't care, OE is a disaster. If the user goes
through the pains of configuring it correctly and adding either
fidolook or quotefix it can be an OK reader, but for the most part, it
sucks.

I agree in respect of newbies or those who don't care, although the latest
version has fixed the sig delimiter problem, and most of the security
problems by default. It hasn't however fixed the quoting problem, which is
really unacceptable. One really has to use OE-QuoteFix to avoid the mess.

But in general terms, a newsreader is only as good as its user. Anyone who
cares will take the time to dig down below the first level of features/menus
and try to learn a little bit about the program. At the end of the day, the
best newsreader for a person is the one he or she prefers.

Just my $.02.

 

[Gord McFee]

In

In

I agree in respect of newbies or those who don't care, although the
latest version has fixed the sig delimiter problem, and most of the
security problems by default. It hasn't however fixed the quoting
problem, which is really unacceptable. One really has to use
OE-QuoteFix to avoid the mess.

But in general terms, a newsreader is only as good as its user.
Anyone who cares will take the time to dig down below the first level
of features/menus and try to learn a little bit about the program.
At the end of the day, the best newsreader for a person is the one he
or she prefers.

Just my $.02.

Please forgive me for the multiple post. Bloody stupid of me.