O
Onno
Are you serious? You expect the future freeware version to have more
features than the current beta? Then what features will the payware
Dialog have in comparison with the current beta?
I hope it will have a decent sig separator.
Are you serious? You expect the future freeware version to have more
features than the current beta? Then what features will the payware
Dialog have in comparison with the current beta?
J
John Fitzsimons
Why ask me the same question three times ? Do you want me to repeat
the same answer three times ? A better idea would be to ask your
question(s) in news.software.readers. In the unlikely event you don't
get an answer then email Marcus direct.
The current Dialog sig delimiter seems to work fine for me.
Regards, John.
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O
Onno
In this snip John Fitzsimons conveniently cut out the following
T
Tech Zero
The voice of "rdt" drifted in on the cyber-winds,
from the sea of virtual chaos...
Sorry for the late reply... It's v06.02.16 with an Icon Patch.
http://xnews-icon-patchers.bebto.com/patcher.html
But I've backed down to v6.01.10 resently. I have no use for the
Athentication anymore, and I've never used to "Messages out of order"
fuctions...
from the sea of virtual chaos...
Sorry for the late reply... It's v06.02.16 with an Icon Patch.
http://xnews-icon-patchers.bebto.com/patcher.html
But I've backed down to v6.01.10 resently. I have no use for the
Athentication anymore, and I've never used to "Messages out of order"
fuctions...
T
tlshell
You seem rather intelligent, so I don't know why you make such a
ridiculous statement. If a person is using a particular free program
and is satisfied with it, why would they want to switch just because a
new version came out that is payware? That would be like all Outlook
Express users switching (presumably in protest?) if Microsoft suddenly
decided that a future version was not free. It might be desirable, but
it wouldn't make any sense to react in that fashion just for that
reason.
O
Onno
(e-mail address removed) wrote in
Thank you.
I read my post again and again and can only conclude that what I wrote
makes complete sense. Of course, to understand it one may need to have
read the entire thread and I agree that is quite a task. Perhaps I should
have used more words too, but still there is nothing ridiculous in what
*I* wrote.
Indeed, but John Fitzsimons said he would do this, not me! To be exact,
the program discussed here, Dialog, is NOT freeware. It is a time-limited
beta (so actually it isn't even on-topic in this NG). When the testing is
over, it will become payware. We can expect that payware version to have
the same features as the last beta. After all, if it had more features
those features would be untested.
The developer has stated that there will be a freeware version ( which I
named Dialog Lite/Free Dialog for this occasion), but of course that
freeware version will inevitably have less features than the full
version. After all, if the freeware version had the same features, nobody
would pay for the full version.
So the conclusion can only be that the future freeware version of Dialog
will have less features than the current beta.
Now back to the discussion:
John Fitzsimons said that he is going to use the freeware verson of
Dialog, once Dialog becomes payware. For such a statement to make sense
he must know what the features of both the freeware and payware will be.
That's why I inquired about those features. The only conclusion that can
be drawn from his replies is that he doesn't know. Hence the part that
you quoted above.
Sorry if my previous post wasn't clear to you.I hope this one is.
Thank you.
I read my post again and again and can only conclude that what I wrote
makes complete sense. Of course, to understand it one may need to have
read the entire thread and I agree that is quite a task. Perhaps I should
have used more words too, but still there is nothing ridiculous in what
*I* wrote.
Indeed, but John Fitzsimons said he would do this, not me! To be exact,
the program discussed here, Dialog, is NOT freeware. It is a time-limited
beta (so actually it isn't even on-topic in this NG). When the testing is
over, it will become payware. We can expect that payware version to have
the same features as the last beta. After all, if it had more features
those features would be untested.
The developer has stated that there will be a freeware version ( which I
named Dialog Lite/Free Dialog for this occasion), but of course that
freeware version will inevitably have less features than the full
version. After all, if the freeware version had the same features, nobody
would pay for the full version.
So the conclusion can only be that the future freeware version of Dialog
will have less features than the current beta.
Now back to the discussion:
John Fitzsimons said that he is going to use the freeware verson of
Dialog, once Dialog becomes payware. For such a statement to make sense
he must know what the features of both the freeware and payware will be.
That's why I inquired about those features. The only conclusion that can
be drawn from his replies is that he doesn't know. Hence the part that
you quoted above.
Sorry if my previous post wasn't clear to you.I hope this one is.
D
DC
Does anyone, besides me, enjoy the irony in this? What a doofus[1].
[1] No, not you Onno. }:O)
D
DC
I know *I* would. No effen way I'm paying for a W32.*@?* front-end. Nuh-uh.
J
John Fitzsimons
You know this because ?
< snip >
It is common enough for people to release a freeware "personal use"
version of software that is sold for "commercial use" then, or later.
The following is pretty clear to me.
"· There always will be a freeware version.
· Within the next 6 to 12 months or so (hopefully sooner) there will
be a non-beta, freeware version that will not expire, with the same
functionality as you saw it in this first public beta"
Don't know why you are having difficulty understanding things. Isn't
english your first language ?
Regards, John.
O
Onno
This means that you will have to do without all those features that you
claim the developer has added upon your instigation.
I'm not.
No.
Are you having difficulty understanding headers? Or doesn't Dialog show
them?
M
Max Quordlepleen
Don't worry about that, Onno, John F is Australian, so English isn't
his first language either.
O
Onno
[snip]
No, why should I
. Anyway, it's good to see other people are stillfollowing this discussion.
B
Blinky the Shark
One wouldn't know it from your writing, Onno. To imply otherwise is
just ad hominem.
B
Blinky the Shark
So it's crippleware?
O
Onno
I don't know. What is the definition of crippleware? To me crippleware
means that some vital functions are disabled, like you can only save
files in a proprietary format that can only be opened by the crippleware
(while there's plenty of other file formats available). Or a logo
displayed on top of graphic files.
Just the fact that a freeware has less features than the payware version
doesn't make it crippleware. The fact that ZoneAlarm lacks some of the
ZoneAlarm Pro features does not make it crippleware in my view.
Anyway, I don't think that I would call the freeware version of Dialog
crippleware.
B
Blinky the Shark
Something that John's tried and hasn't liked.
H
Harvey Van Sickle
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:36:28 GMT, Onno wrote
Your definition is the one I'm familiar with, too: I think an example
would be the trial version of a well-known recording app which is
unlimited, but will only allow 45 seconds of recording time unless you
purchase the product. That effectively cripples the functionality of
the "non-paid" version, without entirely eliminating access to all of
the program features for testing purposes.
(I don't mean to imply any criticism of that, incidentally: it's not
freeware, but it's an entirely above-board method of providing a
legitimate demo version for testing.)
The likely situation you've described for Dialog is like Free Agent,
which (I believe) lacks a number of features of the paid-for version.
Whilst some of these are features which full-featured readers have, the
program isn't *crippled* -- it's just issued with "limited features",
and if one can work within those limitations the program will work
fine.
Your definition is the one I'm familiar with, too: I think an example
would be the trial version of a well-known recording app which is
unlimited, but will only allow 45 seconds of recording time unless you
purchase the product. That effectively cripples the functionality of
the "non-paid" version, without entirely eliminating access to all of
the program features for testing purposes.
(I don't mean to imply any criticism of that, incidentally: it's not
freeware, but it's an entirely above-board method of providing a
legitimate demo version for testing.)
The likely situation you've described for Dialog is like Free Agent,
which (I believe) lacks a number of features of the paid-for version.
Whilst some of these are features which full-featured readers have, the
program isn't *crippled* -- it's just issued with "limited features",
and if one can work within those limitations the program will work
fine.
O
Onno
Something that John's tried and hasn't liked.
Ah, I see.
Why didn't I think of that before?
B
Blinky the Shark
Thank you Blinky. And Xnews doesn't even have a spell checker. Of course,
this remark was just an attempt to keep this post on topic
By the way, are you the Blinky of the photo shop on Darlinghurst Road,
Sydney?
No, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're related.