Microsoft dampens Vista sales forecast

J

Justin

"success" is the opinion of the business owner. Your opinion of someone
else's business means squat unless the people listening to you actually LIKE
YOU and care about your opinion.

While I believe I am successful, I'm sure there's at least a few
billionaires in the world that believe otherwise.
 
J

Justin

Nope, it's all about the money! Once you have the money THEN you can worry
about being a "good guy".
 
J

Justin

Stephan Rose said:
Eventually, most PC users will buy a new PC and will be force-fed a
pre-installed version of Vista. The user personally actually has NO
CHOICE as far as PCs are concerned.

That's about as false as it gets. PC users have plenty of choice. You can
build your own or buy a barebones PC. There are also plenty of places
online that will preinstall whatever flavor of Linux you wish.
 
J

Justin

Every machine I build in which I install XP get's ALL drivers installed for
me.

Bleeding edge hardware is another story. What exactly was your point again?

I have three machines in which ALL drivers where installed for me when I
installed Vista. On a fourth machine the only driver that doesn't install
is Creative and on a fifth machine the only drivers that don't install are
Creative and Nvidia 8800.

Bleeding edge hardware is another story. What exactly was your point again?
 
J

Justin

You claim

"Alternative choices? None."

So does that mean if I find so much as ONE ALTERNATIVE CHOICE then you are
full of CRAP?

http://www.linspire.com/

These are also sold at physical retail locations.

There are also many more to be found. So I get that means you are
COMPLETELY full of CRAP!
 
J

Justin

You must be very young. Or very forgetful!

Anyone that wants to step up and do better, can! People have and failed.

OS/2 Warp

'nuff said.

If Linux was good enough to use across the board then it would be used. But
it's not. Only recently is it gaining market share, only recently is it
"good enough" to use. However it's still not "good enough" to use widely.

The failure of others is not MS problem nor is it their monopoly.
 
J

Justin

Nina DiBoy said:
Humor? In your "quotations"? LOL, that's rich.
You failed to prove anything here. You're still the only idiot that didn't
get it. Facts are facts. Deal with it.
Did I ever say that it did?
If you weren't implying that it did, then why did you bother responding?
Backpedaling is for spineless wimps. So basically you have no point?
You're just arguing to argue? Typical! So ultimately my original point
still stands then. Thanks, for proving that.
Yes, go back and read it again since you need to ask again.
Only a fool would break up an entire point individually. This would be that
reading comprehension of which you claim I should work on.
Rag on a typo. Gee, that's original.
Not raging on the typo at all, hell I make MANY OF THEM, the point of which
you are entirely too feeble minded to understand is that you have the nerve
to tell someone to work on reading comprehension when at the same time you
riddle your post full of typos.

Yes, I made all of that ONE sentence, since you have a very BAD HABIT of
breaking up sentences and altering there meaning independently instead of
taking in the paragraph as a whole. I guess sometimes we need to baby
people through the easy stuff. That's sad :(
 
J

Justin

No, the average user, business or otherwise is smarter then people make them
out to be. People know what they want and they get it.

In my business we have over 300 PCs and 18 Macs. The Macs are used for
graphics and that's it. We use PCs for video editing as well as many other
business processes.

However, truth be told, I have more Mac trouble tickets then PC trouble
tickets. Do the math.

PCs have their place and Macs have their place.
 
J

Justin

let's ask why they haven't fixed it. Why does OE _still_
have this default? Why does it _still_ have the quoting problem?

Because USENET is WRONG! The PEOPLE are right. We do what we want.
Period.

Rules change.
 
J

Justin

You are so full of crap! You have no clue about anything you talk about.

MS has absolutely NO intention of sweeping XP under the rug and you can
STILL buy PCs with XP on them.

You are a complete liar. People should be warned to disregard anything you
say.
 
J

Justin

That was a ridiculous analogy that made no sense. When you read this post,
the only info you NEED is right at the top (beginning). What the hell does
that have to do with a movie starting at the end? That analogy most closely
resembles BOTTOM POSTING. What you WANT is at the END. So you just shot
yourself in the foot with that one.
 
J

Justin

I wonder what exactly they blew?

Besides the fat cash on all the sales they made with Vista!!!
 
J

Justin

The saddest thing about this entire thread is that Steve was misquoted.

Steve Ballmer did not say that MS's numbers were too aggressive. He said
third party analysts/press etc were too aggressive. Which has nothing to do
with any action on MS's part.
 
M

Mitch

Saucy said:
Robots would simply flood the
newsgroup with random garbage. Hundreds in a day etc. etc.
I certainly agree that the junk, spam, and general abuse of all
internet communications (e-mai, newsgroups, chat, etc.) is a HUGE issue
that should be prosecuted. At the very least, ISPs and other agencies
need to know they will be appreciated for fighting it off.
But, I'm right. It's not really top / bottom / in-line or poetry posting
that the big issue. It's the SPAM, robots and trolls that are completely
busting up what were once very good groups for discussions regardless if one
were a neat bottom poster or a top poster.
Well, you're bringing up a wholly separate issue that is larger than
the one we were talking about, but it doesn't negate any of the other
thread. It's merely a different issue in a different context.
On non-Microsoft groups I quickly learned to bottom post as that was how
most regulars at non-icrosoft newsgroups preferred it. On Microsoft servers
I usually top post as that's how the regulars like it. Bottom posting is
almost like trolling when the group starts with microsoft.*

Anyway, for me, the big issue was the SPAM and robots ruining the groups. At
least at the Microsoft groups much of that is mercifully blocked. And
Microsoft hasn't stated whether top or bottom is preferred.
They did in their white papers on the subject. They may not be
acknowledging that in public any more, but that may be because they
haven't fixed the problem.
Top tends to be easy to read if one has the thread already
in mind. Bottom lines things up well and makes archival reading easier ..
That's a reasonable summary of the issues. Provided everyone reading it
is already participating, and no one else arrives, and no one snips out
any followed thread, top-posting could work.
So how do you post when you can fairly assume that there are many
others, people not in the thread, and people just arriving, that will
be reading it?
 
N

Nina DiBoy

ginfest said:
The bottom :)

Atleast they did something right with Windows mail then! :)

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Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"I do know for a fact that his monkey really needs a spanking. The monkey
gets "out of hand" if you know what I mean!"

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
N

Nina DiBoy

Justin said:
You failed to prove anything here. You're still the only idiot that
didn't get it. Facts are facts. Deal with it.

If you weren't implying that it did, then why did you bother responding?
Backpedaling is for spineless wimps. So basically you have no point?
You're just arguing to argue? Typical! So ultimately my original point
still stands then. Thanks, for proving that.

Now you obviously don't know the difference between a statement and
implying something. I implied nothing, I clearly stated something
though. I could have replied to you "Justin, you are absolutely right"
and you would have concluded that I was implying something completely
different. Go get fluffed!
Only a fool would break up an entire point individually. This would be
that reading comprehension of which you claim I should work on.

Not raging on the typo at all, hell I make MANY OF THEM, the point of
which you are entirely too feeble minded to understand

LOL, says the guy who needs to try to pass remedial reading again.
is that you have
the nerve to tell someone to work on reading comprehension when at the
same time you riddle your post full of typos.

Yes, I made all of that ONE sentence, since you have a very BAD HABIT of
breaking up sentences and altering there meaning independently instead
of taking in the paragraph as a whole. I guess sometimes we need to
baby people through the easy stuff. That's sad :(




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Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Stupid ****."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 

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