If Linux is so Bad, Why is Microsoft so Interested?

[Alias]

Beats me. I doubt anyone is losing sleep over this. Money?

Then why, pray tell, is MS trotting out the patents? And why won't they
say what patents they are talking about? The reason is simple: they are
scared of Linux and want to create more FUD to scare off potential
Windows users from using Linux.

Alias

 

[Alias]

HAHAHAHA!!!!

Did everyone see this? The CD is real. HAHAHA!!!


Suuuure!!!

Yes, it is. It's called PC Box. Look it up.

Suuuure!!! That wasn't your "story" the first time around.

What, pray tell, was my "story" the first time around?

Hum, it sounds like alias needs an 8 year old to do it for him. Sound
familiar?

To do what? The client is currently using his legit copy of XP and it's
activated and everything.

You have no facts to get straight. You only give us crap.

You're the one spewing crap. Too bad you aren't capable of realizing it.

Alias

 

[Alias]

I didn't say todays dollars you idiot. Learn to read.


Win98 is even cheaper! As usual Alias has no valid point.

You say Vista is the same price as XP. This is false and my very, very
valid point. Did you take some stupid pills today, Justy Wusty?

Alias

 

[MICHAEL]

* Justin:

Beats me. I doubt anyone is losing sleep over this. Money?

Microsoft ignoring Linux, the improvements happening with it,
and the potential that it *does* have- would be a blunder on the
scale of the Big Three Automakers ignoring the gains of foreign
competition, and why they were making those gains. When
giants fall, they can fall quickly. It wasn't that long ago that Ford
and General Motors were reporting record revenue and profits.
Even just a few years ago, they were doing okay.
Their lack of innovation and being able to quickly adjust to what
customers want, is killing them. It has taken awhile, but those
once mighty companies aren't that mighty anymore.

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/1999/07/14/ford990714.html
The world's number two car maker was the first to announce its earnings Wednesday. The Ford
Motor Company not only beat analysts' expectations, it broke its own earnings records.

http://money.cnn.com/2000/07/18/companies/gm/
NEW YORK (CNNfn) - General Motors Corp. reported a record second-quarter profit Tuesday,
beating Wall Street forecasts despite some loss of market share in its home market.


-Michael

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

Then why, pray tell, is MS trotting out the patents?


You are totally void of any business acumen aren't you.
If a company, any company, do not vigorously defend in court their
trademarks, their patents, their intellectual property, trader secrets
etc., and do so with every known infraction, not selectively, then the
courts may be remiss in granting them legal relief. That's why large
corps send threating cease & desist letters to little mom & pop
operations over seemingly small things such as trademark infractions.
Their legal departments demand they do so.


And why won't they say what patents they are talking about?


Oh don't worry your little head off over which patents are in
question...court papers, when or if they are filed, will reveal the
exact ones.



The reason is simple: they are scared of Linux and want to create more
FUD to scare off potential Windows users from using Linux.


That's a totally stupid statement.

Frank

 

[Alias]

Alias wrote:

Then why, pray tell, is MS trotting out the patents?


You are totally void of any business acumen aren't you.
If a company, any company, do not vigorously defend in court their
trademarks, their patents, their intellectual property, trader secrets
etc., and do so with every known infraction, not selectively, then the
courts may be remiss in granting them legal relief. That's why large
corps send threating cease & desist letters to little mom & pop
operations over seemingly small things such as trademark infractions.
Their legal departments demand they do so.

Um, MS has stated they are not going to court. Oops.

And why won't they say what patents they are talking about?


Oh don't worry your little head off over which patents are in
question...court papers, when or if they are filed, will reveal the
exact ones.

MS has stated they are not taking it to court. Oops.

The reason is simple: they are scared of Linux and want to create more
FUD to scare off potential Windows users from using Linux.


That's a totally stupid statement.

Frank

Even MS admits it so who's stupid?

Alias

 

[Frank]

Um, MS has stated they are not going to court. Oops.



MS has stated they are not taking it to court. Oops.



Even MS admits it so who's stupid?

Alias

You still don't get it do you. Opps!
Going to court is the last legal step, not the first.
Oops!
(snort)
Frank

 

[Alias]

You still don't get it do you. Opps!
Going to court is the last legal step, not the first.
Oops!
(snort)
Frank

They said they weren't going to court. You're calling MS a liar?

Alias

 

[Frank]

They said they weren't going to court. You're calling MS a liar?

Alias

Are you stupid or what! I said "Going to court is the last legal step,
not the first".
Lots of companies say that they "don't intend on going to court", which
leaves open the option of going to court as a last resort if all else fails.
If you want to call MS a liar, go right ahead.
Obviously, you need to get a freakin life!
Frank

 

[Alias]

Are you stupid or what! I said "Going to court is the last legal step,
not the first".
Lots of companies say that they "don't intend on going to court", which
leaves open the option of going to court as a last resort if all else
fails.
If you want to call MS a liar, go right ahead.
Obviously, you need to get a freakin life!
Frank

Again, sigh, they reason MS is trotting out the patents is because
they're scared of Linux.

If you don't like that, tough titties.

Alias

 

[norm]

Alias wrote:

Then why, pray tell, is MS trotting out the patents?


You are totally void of any business acumen aren't you.
If a company, any company, do not vigorously defend in court their
trademarks, their patents, their intellectual property, trader secrets
etc., and do so with every known infraction, not selectively, then the
courts may be remiss in granting them legal relief. That's why large
corps send threating cease & desist letters to little mom & pop
operations over seemingly small things such as trademark infractions.
Their legal departments demand they do so.

Just as a matter of curiosity, why didn't ms "vigorously" defend
whatever needed to be defended when it was knowingly "pirated" in how
many previous iterations that didn't have the protections now in force
in xp and vista?

 

[Frank]

Just as a matter of curiosity, why didn't ms "vigorously" defend
whatever needed to be defended when it was knowingly "pirated" in how
many previous iterations that didn't have the protections now in force
in xp and vista?

Got any examples?
Frank

 

[Justin]

You could have fooled me.


Only for those who are intelligent enough to understand what I wrote (not
you).

HAHAHA!!! Not anyone! Your dumb example isn't even close to being
relevant. Unless you think Apple takes Windows CODE and compiles it into
OSX. I'm sure it's the same exact language after all!

 

[Justin]

Then why, pray tell, is MS trotting out the patents? And why won't they
say what patents they are talking about? The reason is simple: they are
scared of Linux and want to create more FUD to scare off potential Windows
users from using Linux.

Maybe in that tiny little screwed up head of yours that's what it means. My
guess is still money. Either way no one but MS knows and anything from your
keyboard is nothing more then an uneducated frivolous guesstimate.

 

[Justin]

Just as a matter of curiosity, why didn't ms "vigorously" defend whatever
needed to be defended when it was knowingly "pirated" in how many previous
iterations that didn't have the protections now in force in xp and vista?

Because it takes a LONG time to get geared up for a move such as this.
Years!

 

[Justin]

It has taken awhile, but those
once mighty companies aren't that mighty anymore.

That's great due to saturation.

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/1999/07/14/ford990714.html
The world's number two car maker was the first to announce its earnings
Wednesday. The Ford
Motor Company not only beat analysts' expectations, it broke its own
earnings records.

http://money.cnn.com/2000/07/18/companies/gm/
NEW YORK (CNNfn) - General Motors Corp. reported a record second-quarter
profit Tuesday,
beating Wall Street forecasts despite some loss of market share in its
home market.


-Michael

A few+ years ago Ford was in the crapper. They had to close MANY plants and
they completely restructured from the inside out. Ideas like the new Ford
Bronco where scrapped. It wasn't until recently that they stabilized and
started to go back to scrapped ideas and re-evaluate them.

Same with Intel.

 

[Justin]

Yes, it is. It's called PC Box. Look it up.

You have no clue.

I like how your "story" took a 180 in the course of one post. Typical.

 

[Justin]

You say Vista is the same price as XP. This is false and my very, very
valid point. Did you take some stupid pills today, Justy Wusty?

Here we go again ladies and gentlemen!!!! More proof that alias is a
complete moron!!!

alias said: "You say Vista is the same price as XP."

What I ACTUALLY said: "Vista costs the same as XP when it came
out."

Now, I can see where alias went wrong but he'll defend his BS 'till the day
he dies.

Here's a clue for you alias, "WHEN IT CAME OUT". Now think real hard for an
hour or two and you just may figure it out.

 

[norm]

Got any examples?
Frank

Honestly, what I have found is that ms went after and still does go
after businesses with some vigor. I find very little (nothing) about ms
going after the "casual" individual user that may have run afoul of the
licensing. The following itself seems to give a mixed message about
pirating in general. Take it for what it says:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198000211&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All
If you're going to be a software counterfeiter, then please copy and
illegally use Microsoft products.
The above plea isn't from a posting on a hacker forum. Rather, it's how
Microsoft business group president Jeff Raikes feels about software
counterfeiters. "If they're going to pirate somebody, we want it to be
us rather than somebody else," Raikes said.
The remarks might seem surprising, coming from a senior executive at a
software company that spends millions each year fighting software piracy
and developing copyright protection technologies.
But Raikes, speaking last week at the Morgan Stanley Technology
conference in San Francisco, said a certain amount of software piracy
actually helps Microsoft because it can lead to purchases by individuals
who otherwise might never have been exposed to the company's products.
"We understand that in the long run the fundamental asset is the
installed base of people who are using our products," Raikes said. "What
you hope to do over time is convert them to licensing the software."
Raikes said Microsoft isn't about to abandon efforts to track down those
who illegally copy and use its products. However, he said Microsoft has
to balance that approach with the recognition that users of purloined
software could one day become legitimate customers.
"You want to push towards getting legal licensing, but you don't want to
push so hard that you lose the asset that's most fundamental in the
business," said Raikes, who estimated that between 20% and 25% of all
software used in the United States is pirated.
Raikes said Microsoft is developing so-called "pay-as-you-go" software
offerings with pricing schemes similar to those used by cell phone
companies for emerging markets as a way of encouraging low-income
individuals to use the company's products legally.

As to individuals running afoul, the following seems to be
representative of the general position taken by ms on the pursuit of
individuals:
http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/cyberia-l/msg26618.html
.......Whenever Microsoft or the SBA goes after "pirates" for copyright
infringement as far as I know they have never successfully proven a
violation of a license term by an end-user is copyright infringement.
They always appear to base their cases on straightforward copyright law,
not relying on the license at all.
.......MS doesn't go after individual Windows licensees because it's mass
market software. There's no percentage in filing suits against
individual licensees for (egads!) installing the software on a second
computer. They are concerned instead about unauthorized reproduction and
distribution by pirates invading the mass market.

Doesn't sound like a "vigorous" defense. YMMV.

 

[Frank]

Doesn't sound like a "vigorous" defense. YMMV.

You misunderstood. I was referring to MS vigorously defending patents,
trademarks, intellectual property, etc.. Which they do and must do and
not selectively.
Thus my "mom & pop" statement.

You're referring to another matter all together, that being the stealing
of their retail property...aka piracy.
Frank