I suggest a new buisness strategy.

[noaim]

hahahha

u lost ur mind seriously windows controls way to much of the market to lose
even a quarter of that by 2008


"Potential Windows Vista User"

 

[Alias]

Well gosh darn, you're just getting rich from fixin windows and givin
away linux.
What a wonderful business model.
Not!
Frank

"Gosh darn"?

Alias

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"Because most of the software developers will stop developing for
Microsoft by 2008"
Why do you think this?
What is the source for this information?

"Everyone is either sticking with XP, moving to Mac, or Moving to
Linux."
Obviously false since many are using Windows Vista.

Pleas post the sources for these claims.
Personal experience in a small shop are statistically to small to be
relevant without other data.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Potential Windows Vista User"

 

[NOT Alias - Thank GOD]

The guy has no clue. He is just ranting. No proof. Did you read his other
posts?

 

[Mike]

"Because most of the software developers will stop developing for
Microsoft by 2008"
Why do you think this?
What is the source for this information?

"Everyone is either sticking with XP, moving to Mac, or Moving to
Linux."
Obviously false since many are using Windows Vista.

Pleas post the sources for these claims.
Personal experience in a small shop are statistically to small to be
relevant without other data.

Well, first he has to finish high school, where hopefully he will learn
how to spell business.

Mike

 

[Guest]

Technicaly since I charge for my services and not the software I don't make
any more money selling Microsoft except that I have to come back and fix it
again and again and again. If my customers are happy with Linux instead then
they tell all their friends and they buy their next computer from me! If they
buy their next comptuer from me they don't buy from Dell, Gateway, HP,
Compaq, or other businesses so they loose money on sales for disposable
computers with Windows. I make the money and keep selling computers.
Eventually I will take over the entire area of 6 cities. I don't see why not
unless someone else starts selling Linux systems.

 

[Guest]

Actually you are wrong. My customers need new computers on about a 3 - 5 year
cycle. If I sell them a Linux computer or install it then they will and do
ask for me and only me for their next computer! They don't go to any one else
again. And yes I check in on them to make sure they are still using Linux and
have not switched back and called someone else. Sure there is less business
in fixing computers but once I put the other companies in the area out of
business with computers that work for a long time I will have more and more
people wanting to buy from me. WHA HA HA HA HA HA. I love my job. And if I
didn't know Llinux NAPA would have never hired me to reverse engineer their
Linux server and create clients that would work with their server for less
then their supplier. So yes I think it has paid off.

 

[Guest]

Nope. They let me install Linux on their systems and sent me letters back in
thanks and extra money. The only time they call me is to ask what Linux
program does what they want, If I will fix their friend's comptuer, or if I
will build a new one.

 

[Guest]

You want my sources?

http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/02/mswindows-share_1.html

http://english.people.com.cn/200706/25/eng20070625_387493.html#9566721867012069773

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/2008_year_of_the_linux_desktop

Now please argue with that and while you are at it please check the stock
for Microsoft and see that it is going down. Oh and while you are at it did
you know the stock market now runs on Linux? lol.

 

[Guest]

Actually I can't find the logic in Microsoft's business. The way they run
things they will not be dominant by the end of 2008. You wait and see.

 

[Guest]

It does not matter what Microsoft controls or does not control at this time.
Microsoft can't control the people like me that must be crazy because we sue
Linux. So since we are all doomed to use Linux and it's been predicted by
many many IT people and organizations (the stock market now runs on Linux
lol) by the end of 2008 Microsoft will be a joke to everyone. By 2008
Microsoft will be a joke to most people.

 

[Guest]

Hmm... so as a developer, you think I should abandon my entire codebase?
And you think I should throw away Visual Studio and its great debugger
etc. and use some really poor replacement?
And you think I should quadruple my support costs by having all of my
customers running slightly different versions of the core of Windows?

You give Visual Stuido too much credit. (which I would not have wasted my
money on it before learning about Linux) the users sending error reports to
Microsoft do a much better job than you could possibly do with Visual Studio.
Eclipse is the new Vistual Studio and it's free. It works much better. I went
to college to learn to be a Microsoft programmer too.

No thanks!

An Open Source OS is great for experimenting with (and I do so myself),
and great for computers with a single purpose (routers, web servers,
etc), but I wouldn't want to support a commercial application on one.

Oh ya? Is that why Nero, VMWare, and several other products are made now for
Linux?

 

[Guest]

Ah but why are they using vista? because they are forced to by the stores
they buy from. So they are turning to DELL or keeping XP. Now where do I get
my source for info?
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/02/mswindows-share_1.html
and there are many many companies announcing they are moving to Linux. I'm
sure Google will market Linux too.

 

[Guest]

Here is my source.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/02/mswindows-share_1.html

 

[Frank]

You want my sources?

http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/02/mswindows-share_1.html

http://english.people.com.cn/200706/25/eng20070625_387493.html#9566721867012069773

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/2008_year_of_the_linux_desktop

Now please argue with that and while you are at it please check the stock
for Microsoft and see that it is going down. Oh and while you are at it did
you know the stock market now runs on Linux? lol.

You're math doesn't add up at all.
MSFT has gone up, not down and it's only servers not desktops (the one's
your ripping people off with) that are part of the market support systems.
You're not too bright are you?
You need to get out of your moms basement and into the light.
Frank

 

[Lang Murphy]

"Potential Windows Vista User"

Like I said 75% of my customers have switched to Linux after I fixed their
computers. I get letters in the mail with extra money thanking me. I call
back to make sure everything is ok and usually they call me back once to
ask
me a question about Linux and after it is answered they are on their way.

Well... 75% of -your- customers is hardly "everyone." Especially if you're
leading them down the Ubuntu path.

Lang

 

[Frank]

Nope. They let me install Linux on their systems and sent me letters back in
thanks and extra money.

Extra money...hummm.
You're spamming this ng for new customers aren't you?
Which CR do you work for?
No lies now, ok?
Frank

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"because they are forced to by the stores"
No one is forced.
However many critics perpetuate that myth.

No store in any country I was in ever forced me to buy anything.
Where do you live that you have no options and are forced?

Dell as well as other major OEMs continue to sell Windows XP.
This is expected and normal.
For a time after Windows XP was released, the previous operating
systems were available.
You should not make anything of this since it means nothing.

As for Linux being sold, that is not really new, Dell tried it at
least once before.
There is nothing wrong with that and that is a business decision Dell
made on behalf of their investors.

"most of the software developers will stop developing"
Nothing in the article is near a definitive as you said in your post.
Perhaps most developers will stop, but that is not a known fact as you
stated.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Potential Windows Vista User"

 

[GO]

"Potential Windows Vista User"



Well... 75% of -your- customers is hardly "everyone." Especially if
you're leading them down the Ubuntu path.

Lang

Saying "everyone" is an exaggeration but there is a lot of evidence the MS
is losing customers because of Vista. Most likely not enough for MS to
really notice, at least for now, but there are those seeking alternatives.
I don't know of any hard evidence but mostly anecdotal. I know of several
people that want nothing to do with Vista, and several more that have
recently installed Linux. Whether they stick with it is unknown but they
are people that had no interest in trying Linux before. Even in this group
there is growing evidence. The number of Linux related and "unhappy Vista
users" posts is pretty large. Yeah, the XP groups had their fair share of
Linux freaks and whiners but it seems on a much larger scale with Vista.

 

[Lang Murphy]

Saying "everyone" is an exaggeration but there is a lot of evidence the MS
is losing customers because of Vista. Most likely not enough for MS to
really notice, at least for now, but there are those seeking alternatives.
I don't know of any hard evidence but mostly anecdotal. I know of several
people that want nothing to do with Vista, and several more that have
recently installed Linux. Whether they stick with it is unknown but they
are people that had no interest in trying Linux before. Even in this
group
there is growing evidence. The number of Linux related and "unhappy Vista
users" posts is pretty large. Yeah, the XP groups had their fair share of
Linux freaks and whiners but it seems on a much larger scale with Vista.

At this point it's all anecdotal. And what does one expect to see in Vista
ng's but problems? What does one see when one reads the Ubuntu ng? Uh,
problems? The Mac forums on the Apple site? Uh, problems? If one were to
base one's opinion of Vista soley on what's posted in this, and other, Vista
ng's, then I guess one should not read the Ubuntu ng or the Mac forums
because then one would be running, oh, I don't know... OS/2? Because surely
there's enough "growing evidence" in those other forums that those OS's have
problems too.

As to folks who "... had no interest in trying Linux before." Why are they
changing now? Are they not happy with what they currently have? XP no longer
floats their boat? (Well... if they're running '98, sure, I can see why some
flavor of nix might interest them... some folks don't want to upgrade their
hw to run Vista. But I don't know that their '98 style rig is going to run,
say, Ubuntu, all that great either.) I think most folks, who are not
computer geeks, that try Ubuntu or some other flavor of nix are going to be
sorely surprised when they run into their first configuration issue. Those
folks who are bitching and moaning about Vista and move to Ubuntu? Look for
them in the Ubuntu ng not long after they've made the move.

That said, I've tried various nix distros. The latest being Ubuntu 7.04 and
the release that preceeded it. I had enough "issues" that I am not actively
running Ubuntu on anything here right now. I'm all for competition. There's
nothing that would tickle me more than having a nix distro that works
seamlessly for me. Haven't found it yet. Sure, there are folks that have
great experiences with Ubuntu or other nix distros. Hurray for them! I mean
it, too. Not being sarcastic in the least. And... when all is said and
done... I'll stick with Vista. Works for me. Is it without problems? Heck
no! Are they problems with which I can deal? Heck yes!

Thanks,

Lang