how do I load win98 on HD??

[JAD]

Do a clean re-install of any windows O/S and then run a registry
cleaner.On an average Win98/SE install there's over a 150 incorrect
and unneeded entries that can cause problems when the registry is read
at bootup.Try it.
Also just removing them is not enough as the space the entries took up
still leave code so the user should then,"Compact" the registry.
I've just re-installed XP for someone and Regseeker took out well over
a 100 on that O/S as well.Although WinXP can be set to defrag registry
it does not,"Compact" it after cleaning,
http://shurl.net/mU

LOL, you really like supporting third party utility software developers.
Do you just believe what the software tells you? This is good, this is
unneeded, this needs to be deleted, etc?
This could very well be the reason for MDAC and ODBC entries missing from
the registry on machines that I have had to diagnose. I have NEVER done this
and I Rarely have any problems with a fresh install being jacked up. (a few
unusual exceptions that were not registry related.)

 

[jaster]

This is somerthing you do for free?

Usually I get a quart of Tequilla or Bacardi out of it.

 

[John Doe]

LOL, you really like supporting third party utility software
developers. Do you just believe what the software tells you? This
is good, this is unneeded, this needs to be deleted, etc?
This could very well be the reason for MDAC and ODBC entries
missing from the registry on machines that I have had to diagnose.
I have NEVER done this and I Rarely have any problems with a fresh
install being jacked up. (a few unusual exceptions that were not
registry related.)

I too was kind of surprised by that idea.

I've installed the various Windows versions countless times, many
times over and over again just for fun, and I've never had any
problem of that sort.

Have fun.

 

[David Maynard]

Do a clean re-install of any windows O/S and then run a registry
cleaner.On an average Win98/SE install there's over a 150 incorrect
and unneeded entries that can cause problems when the registry is read
at bootup.Try it.

Why is it that none of us who don't use that thing also don't have these
mysterious 'bootup' problems you speak of?

 

[David Maynard]

Exactly.I setup a folder called Drivers and download all needed
hardware drivers updates into it within sub-folders and explain to the
user to remove bogus entries in the Device Mangler using Safemode and
re-boot and when windows wants the drivers point it to the relevant
folder.

Oh, I put the drivers on too. I just don't go through the mishmash of first
creating a garbage installation that then needs fixing. I do 'er all at
once on the target machine.

 

[Shep©]

Why is it that none of us who don't use that thing also don't have these =

mysterious 'bootup' problems you speak of?

You have misunderstood.I merely used the bootup scenario as an example
and of one instance.If you read back on posts over the past 10 years
you will see how cleaning the registry on all windows O/S will help
keep a stable and fast system.

If you or anyone else doesn't want to use registry cleaners and also
compact their registries then no props but it won't stop me advocating
this advice.

 

[Shep©]

This is somerthing you do for free?

Yes.

 

[JAD]

You have misunderstood.I merely used the bootup scenario as an example
and of one instance.If you read back on posts over the past 10 years
you will see how cleaning the registry on all windows O/S will help
keep a stable and fast system.

cleaning a system that has been running for some time , sure I can see
that, but new system install needing a cleaning, nah I pass on that.

 

[jaster]

cleaning a system that has been running for some time , sure I can see
that, but new system install needing a cleaning, nah I pass on that.

Actually if you use even a generic registry cleaner weekly like System
Mechanic you'd see a number of entries to be deleted, low system time
whatever that means. Even just gaming leaves lots of junk around
especially when add/remove hardware or software.

 

[JAD]

Actually if you use even a generic registry cleaner weekly like System
Mechanic you'd see a number of entries to be deleted, low system time
whatever that means. Even just gaming leaves lots of junk around
especially when add/remove hardware or software.

nope not buying it. We were talking about a brand spankin new install.

 

[David Maynard]

You have misunderstood.I merely used the bootup scenario as an example
and of one instance.

No, I didn't misunderstand. I was speaking of the very 'example' you just
mentioned having given and the context was JAD asking "fresh install is not
clean?" and you replying "On an average Win98/SE install there's over a 150
incorrect and unneeded entries that can cause problems when the registry is
read at bootup."

But no one I know of is having any "problems when the registry is read at
bootup."

If you read back on posts over the past 10 years
you will see how cleaning the registry on all windows O/S will help
keep a stable and fast system.

No, I'm not going to go over 10 years of posts, especially when all I'm
talking about is the one you just made.

Registry optimization after a period of normal use is a different matter
than after a fresh install but even then I don't see 'bootup problems'.

And then, registry cleaning after abnormal situations, like trying to clean
out garbage from an alien installation, is another matter again.

If you or anyone else doesn't want to use registry cleaners and also
compact their registries then no props but it won't stop me advocating
this advice.

Actually, from time to time I have used them and it's interesting to see
them clean out extraneous entries but I can't say as I've been able to
eyeball notice any significant difference in performance and, more to the
matter at hand, neither have any of the systems I never bothered with it on
ever had any 'bootup problems' that couldn't be traced to identifiable, non
registry related, faults.

I'm not saying they don't work or are a 'problem' but there's no reason to
needlessly panic people with talk about normal installations not working
right either.

 

[jaster]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:51:19 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:

[snip]

No, I didn't misunderstand. I was speaking of the very 'example' you just
mentioned having given and the context was JAD asking "fresh install is
not clean?" and you replying "On an average Win98/SE install there's over
a 150 incorrect and unneeded entries that can cause problems when the
registry is read at bootup."

But no one I know of is having any "problems when the registry is read at
bootup."

IIRC, there are problems on boot with some fresh installs. Windows may
not recognize hardware or install the wrong driver for hardware. In
the early days some need bios updates to boot larger HDs, etc.
Some times W98 was loaded successfully but didn't boot.

[snip]

 

[David Maynard]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:51:19 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:

[snip]

No, I didn't misunderstand. I was speaking of the very 'example' you just
mentioned having given and the context was JAD asking "fresh install is
not clean?" and you replying "On an average Win98/SE install there's over
a 150 incorrect and unneeded entries that can cause problems when the
registry is read at bootup."

But no one I know of is having any "problems when the registry is read at
bootup."

IIRC, there are problems on boot with some fresh installs. Windows may
not recognize hardware or install the wrong driver for hardware. In
the early days some need bios updates to boot larger HDs, etc.

One could also have defective hardware but that isn't a registry problem
and neither are those.

They're also not an 'average' install.

Some times W98 was loaded successfully but didn't boot.

I don't consider that successful but the times I've seen it happen it's
always a hardware issue and not because windows 'just naturally leaves crap
in the registry.

I also wonder how one runs a Windows based registry cleaner if Windows
won't boot.

[snip]

 

[Mxsmanic]

You have misunderstood.I merely used the bootup scenario as an example
and of one instance.If you read back on posts over the past 10 years
you will see how cleaning the registry on all windows O/S will help
keep a stable and fast system.

I've never "cleaned" the registry on any system I've used, and all
systems have still run fast and stable.

If you or anyone else doesn't want to use registry cleaners and also
compact their registries then no props but it won't stop me advocating
this advice.

It seems wasteful to advocate what isn't necessary or desirable.