how do I load win98 on HD??

[Shep©]

Wow. Ok, I am the OP. It seems as tho some are confused. I could not get win98 to load the 'normal' way. It would hang at about
26% loaded, with a window popping up saying something about a .cab error. I finally figured since I was using a burned win98 disc
that something could be wrong with it. So someone mentions putting the win98 directory on the hd itself. The only way I know to do
that is to put the target hd on MY pc as slave, format it(just to be safe), pop burned copy of win98 in MY PC, EXPLORE cd and drag
win98 directory into target hd, take out target hd and reinstall in target PC, run setup. And this is what I did, but the same
thing happened, it hung up at 26%. So then I used my own LEGIT copy of win98 and tried to load it(the normal way) and it loaded
fine. Problem? bad burned copy of win98 from an unknown hack. Hope this clears things up.....

ron

Even with a good CD this is my preferred method for several reasons.
1:If the user requires to Add/Remove windows components they don't
have to go hunting for their Windows CD and can keep it safe.
2:The actual install will be quicker even with the time it takes to
copy the windows folder to the drive.
3:If the user needs to repair windows they can do it dead easy by
re-running setup.exe off the hard drive as per,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/repair.html

Please note that NO install of windows is clean and a couple of
registry cleaners should be used after the install and the Device
Mangler should be checked as per,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/drivers.html

For smooth sailing

 

[David Maynard]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:14:51 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:

[snip]

With all due respect, you did not only said it was 'easy' but "the easiest
way."

Yes my command of the english is not so good. I should have said the
easiest way to load a HD not destined for your PC although it would not be
easy or perfect.

[snip]

The truly 'easy' way is to shove the CD in the drive and let setup

run.

No argument there but as I said I thought he had to install W98 on
his PC to his bro's HD. Last time I did something like that I copied the
W98 folders to HD, copied the drivers I'd need for the other machine

It's at this point you should move it to the other machine and run setup there.

and ran the setup, put in the drive and changed drivers as needed.

I still can't fathom why.

 

[JAD]

And as stated we are not always in an ideal position to do this :/

What instances where your not? A broken machine? Why install an OS on a
broken machine? In today's environment is it practical to have a machine
without an optical drive?

 

[JAD]

Even with a good CD this is my preferred method for several reasons.
1:If the user requires to Add/Remove windows components they don't
have to go hunting for their Windows CD and can keep it safe.
2:The actual install will be quicker even with the time it takes to
copy the windows folder to the drive.
3:If the user needs to repair windows they can do it dead easy by
re-running setup.exe off the hard drive as per,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/repair.html

Please note that NO install of windows is clean and a couple of
registry cleaners should be used after the install and the Device
Mangler should be checked as per,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/drivers.html

? Im not getting this...you are the ultimate third party utility software
user.

 

[jaster]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:14:51 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:

[snip]

I didn't say it was easy

With all due respect, you did not only said it was 'easy' but "the
easiest way."

Yes my command of the english is not so good. I should have said the
easiest way to load a HD not destined for your PC although it would not
be easy or perfect.

[snip]

The truly 'easy' way is to shove the CD in the drive and let setup

run.

No argument there but as I said I thought he had to install W98 on his
PC to his bro's HD. Last time I did something like that I copied the
W98 folders to HD, copied the drivers I'd need for the other machine

It's at this point you should move it to the other machine and run setup
there.

and ran the setup, put in the drive and changed drivers as needed.

I still can't fathom why.

Most responders picture 120Gb HDs when the last time I reinstalled W98 it
was to a 2Gb HD. At the time I was moving HDs they were < 1Gb
HDs, without CDrom or NICs.

 

[Mxsmanic]

And as stated we are not always in an ideal position to do this :/

If one has a legal copy of the software, one should always be in a
position to do it.

 

[Mxsmanic]

Please note that NO install of windows is clean and a couple of
registry cleaners should be used after the install and the Device
Mangler should be checked as per,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/drivers.html

Why?

 

[David Maynard]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:14:51 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:

[snip]


I didn't say it was easy

With all due respect, you did not only said it was 'easy' but "the
easiest way."



Yes my command of the english is not so good. I should have said the
easiest way to load a HD not destined for your PC although it would not
be easy or perfect.

[snip]



The truly 'easy' way is to shove the CD in the drive and let setup

run.

No argument there but as I said I thought he had to install W98 on his
PC to his bro's HD. Last time I did something like that I copied the
W98 folders to HD, copied the drivers I'd need for the other machine

It's at this point you should move it to the other machine and run setup
there.

and ran the setup, put in the drive and changed drivers as needed.

I still can't fathom why.

Most responders picture 120Gb HDs when the last time I reinstalled W98 it
was to a 2Gb HD.

Maybe some are but I'm not and, ironically, a couple of my remaining Win98
boxes are on touch screen machines with 2Gb drives and no CD reader,
installed from a win98 directory on the hard drive. A 'typical' one here
has a 6.4GB drive, installed the same way (they're all notebook left overs).

At the time I was moving HDs they were < 1Gb
HDs, without CDrom or NICs.

It would have to be so small as to not allow room for roughly 130MB beyond
the base installed OS, to hold the setup files, and, if so, that's not much
for applications and the swap file later.

 

[JAD]

jaster wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:14:51 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:

[snip]


I didn't say it was easy

With all due respect, you did not only said it was 'easy' but "the
easiest way."



Yes my command of the english is not so good. I should have said the
easiest way to load a HD not destined for your PC although it would not
be easy or perfect.

[snip]



The truly 'easy' way is to shove the CD in the drive and let setup

run.

No argument there but as I said I thought he had to install W98 on his
PC to his bro's HD. Last time I did something like that I copied the
W98 folders to HD, copied the drivers I'd need for the other machine

It's at this point you should move it to the other machine and run setup
there.


and ran the setup, put in the drive and changed drivers as needed.

I still can't fathom why.

Most responders picture 120Gb HDs when the last time I reinstalled W98 it
was to a 2Gb HD.

Maybe some are but I'm not and, ironically, a couple of my remaining Win98
boxes are on touch screen machines with 2Gb drives and no CD reader,
installed from a win98 directory on the hard drive. A 'typical' one here
has a 6.4GB drive, installed the same way (they're all notebook left
overs).

At the time I was moving HDs they were < 1Gb
HDs, without CDrom or NICs.

It would have to be so small as to not allow room for roughly 130MB beyond
the base installed OS, to hold the setup files, and, if so, that's not
much for applications and the swap file later.

why am I picturing DR Frankenstein's lab when he talks about his equipment/

 

[Shep©]

What instances where your not?

Simple.User's hard drive failed and bought new one when home from
college.PC was not local.Hard drive setup local with correct drivers
ready on drive for re-install to none local system.

A broken machine? Why install an OS on a
broken machine?

I didn't.

In today's environment is it practical to have a machine
without an optical drive?

Not relevant to my post

 

[Shep©]

? Im not getting this...you are the ultimate third party utility software
user.

Not getting what?
What's yer beef Jad?

 

[Shep©]

Why?

http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/drivers.html

 

[JAD]

Simple.User's hard drive failed and bought new one when home from
college.PC was not local.Hard drive setup local with correct drivers
ready on drive for re-install to none local system.

How do you accomplish this? Force windows to load improper drivers for
hardware it doesn't see?

 

[JAD]

Not getting what?
What's yer beef Jad?

Seems to me this is just plain overkill, a fresh install is not clean? So
you use third party software to clean it? Sorry this is making less and less
sence.

 

[David Maynard]

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:08:54 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:



jaster wrote:


On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:14:51 -0600, David Maynard thoughtfully wrote:

[snip]



I didn't say it was easy

With all due respect, you did not only said it was 'easy' but "the
easiest way."



Yes my command of the english is not so good. I should have said the
easiest way to load a HD not destined for your PC although it would not
be easy or perfect.

[snip]




The truly 'easy' way is to shove the CD in the drive and let setup

run.

No argument there but as I said I thought he had to install W98 on his
PC to his bro's HD. Last time I did something like that I copied the
W98 folders to HD, copied the drivers I'd need for the other machine

It's at this point you should move it to the other machine and run setup
there.



and ran the setup, put in the drive and changed drivers as needed.

I still can't fathom why.



Most responders picture 120Gb HDs when the last time I reinstalled W98 it
was to a 2Gb HD.

Maybe some are but I'm not and, ironically, a couple of my remaining Win98
boxes are on touch screen machines with 2Gb drives and no CD reader,
installed from a win98 directory on the hard drive. A 'typical' one here
has a 6.4GB drive, installed the same way (they're all notebook left
overs).

At the time I was moving HDs they were < 1Gb
HDs, without CDrom or NICs.

It would have to be so small as to not allow room for roughly 130MB beyond
the base installed OS, to hold the setup files, and, if so, that's not
much for applications and the swap file later.

why am I picturing DR Frankenstein's lab when he talks about his equipment/

Hehe. Well, Dr. Frankenstein's lab was neater than mine

 

[David Maynard]

How do you accomplish this? Force windows to load improper drivers for
hardware it doesn't see?

No, he's saying he's got the not-yet-installed drivers available on the
disk for when Windows goes loopy finding new things and needs 'the driver
disk'.

 

[Shep©]

Seems to me this is just plain overkill, a fresh install is not clean? So
you use third party software to clean it? Sorry this is making less and less
sence.

Do a clean re-install of any windows O/S and then run a registry
cleaner.On an average Win98/SE install there's over a 150 incorrect
and unneeded entries that can cause problems when the registry is read
at bootup.Try it.
Also just removing them is not enough as the space the entries took up
still leave code so the user should then,"Compact" the registry.
I've just re-installed XP for someone and Regseeker took out well over
a 100 on that O/S as well.Although WinXP can be set to defrag registry
it does not,"Compact" it after cleaning,
http://shurl.net/mU

 

[Shep©]

No, he's saying he's got the not-yet-installed drivers available on the=20
disk for when Windows goes loopy finding new things and needs 'the driver=
=20
disk'.

Exactly.I setup a folder called Drivers and download all needed
hardware drivers updates into it within sub-folders and explain to the
user to remove bogus entries in the Device Mangler using Safemode and
re-boot and when windows wants the drivers point it to the relevant
folder.

I also install Everest Home Edition so the user can research their own
drivers just in case.

 

[Mxsmanic]

Do a clean re-install of any windows O/S and then run a registry
cleaner.On an average Win98/SE install there's over a 150 incorrect
and unneeded entries that can cause problems when the registry is read
at bootup.Try it.

Every copy of Windows 98 I've tried has booted without a problem.

Also just removing them is not enough as the space the entries took up
still leave code so the user should then,"Compact" the registry.
I've just re-installed XP for someone and Regseeker took out well over
a 100 on that O/S as well.Although WinXP can be set to defrag registry
it does not,"Compact" it after cleaning,
http://shurl.net/mU

No need to fix what isn't broken.

 

[JAD]

Exactly.I setup a folder called Drivers and download all needed
hardware drivers updates into it within sub-folders and explain to the
user to remove bogus entries in the Device Mangler using Safemode and
re-boot and when windows wants the drivers point it to the relevant
folder.

This is somerthing you do for free?