Great secure OS you designed Microsoft

[Mike Brannigan]

This is the issue I am talking about.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3044&p=2

This post seems to sum it up pretty nicely.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1210609&page=4

OK - so the memory mapping issue is the one of mapping video memory into RAM
to protect it from snooping during DRM playback.
This cases issues on memory constrained systems and 32-bit platforms.
One solution would be to go 64-bit as a 32-bit process is allowed the full
4GB address space unlike the 2GB limit on 32-bit (changeable to 3GB just via
switches on boot.ini on an XP system etc).
I realize that saying move to a 64-bit OS and a 4GB or better RAM system may
seem excessive but unfortunately the larger amounts of RAM in high end
graphics cards coupled with the implementation of DRM (as required by the
media industry) has caused this issue to arise.
It is all a bit of a catch 22 - that unless the media industry back tracks
fully from DRM them Microsoft must make a secure method of enabling playback
(and the locked memory mapped way is the current solution in terms of
performance and functionality).

Are you aware of this issue still being relevant on a x64 system with x64
Vista and 4+GB of RAM and 1GB graphics card? - I have not seen it myself.

 

[Alias]

You see how I post. If you don't like the Microsoft default, go away. I
will not change and I **like** top posting.

Why? Because it irritates people?

I know what I am responding to. Why should others have to read through
the same previous verbiage two, three or twenty times to get to my
response?

For those who haven't seen the original post, of course. Your
selfishness and lack of concern for others is what got you your MVP badge?

Alias

 

[Richard Urban]

<grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

Please stop before I pis* myself!

You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a chance.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

[Alias]

<grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

Please stop before I pis* myself!

You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a chance.

How about the Microsoft users who post here? Can you set an example? Or
don't you care about them either?

Alias

 

[Guest]

"Alias" instructed...

Please learn how to post in Usenet. The way you post makes it so when one
uses a real news reader, everything below your sig gets nuked. Either
bottom post or get rid of your sig.

Usenet posting monitor? Nowhere is it written that Mr. I'll-post-what-I-want
gets to tell anyone else how to post. ;-)

 

[Mr. Happy]

Youtube videos play ok here.. do you have Adobe Flash installed?

DRM is a product of the music industry.. complain to them..

Bullshit! MickeyMouse and Apple are the ones implementing it on the desktop.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

 

[Mr. Happy]

For Microsoft to include the technologies they did, yes, a gun was held to
their head. Comply or don't offer HD video. BTW, video card manufacturers
had to comply also - so why don't you rail against them?

Bullshit, again! I run nvidia proprietary drivers in Linux and have no DRM
restrictions using the card.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

 

[Mr. Happy]

I bought an LCD projector and wanted to upscale the DVD's from my PC
to 1280x720 onto the projector. Both WMP11 and Cyberlink PowerDVD
wouldn't allow me to do this due to Macrovision. No problem. VLC to
the rescue. All DRM methods will be defeated so they may as well give
up now and stop wasting money and users time with their BS. We are
getting sick of the RIAA. They are scumbags.

Once again OSS to the rescue.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

 

[Kerry Brown]

Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't view
some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone who has just
purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high def DVD they just
bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at playing it. With Linux the
only way to play it would be if someone developed a program that defeated
the DRM built into the content. Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't
agree with or support) Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with
the RIAA and others or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and
wish Microsoft had fought it but I am also a realist and understand that
with the DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move their company
out of the US.

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you would
get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help thousands
of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that sorry excuse for
an OS

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Definitely smacks of 'net nanny' eh..

"Alias" instructed...

Usenet posting monitor? Nowhere is it written that Mr.
I'll-post-what-I-want gets to tell anyone else how to post. ;-)

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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Alias]

"Alias" instructed...

Usenet posting monitor? Nowhere is it written that Mr. I'll-post-what-I-want
gets to tell anyone else how to post. ;-)

Just a suggestion. He can take it or leave it but I am sure he will
leave it.

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

I have retyped the comment, highlighting in uppercase the part you missed..
do you see it now?

DRM is a PRODUCT of the music industry.. complain to them..

Bullshit! MickeyMouse and Apple are the ones implementing it on the
desktop.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Alias]

Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you would
get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help thousands
of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that sorry excuse for
an OS

I do and others do too. I am here to spread the word about an OS that
doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu
on the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

So, when a newbie finds out about activation, genuinizing, DRM, BSOD,
etc. I am here to helpfully guide them to a real OS.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't
view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone who
has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high def DVD
they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at playing it.
With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone developed a
program that defeated the DRM built into the content. Given the DMCA in
the US (which I don't agree with or support) Microsoft's only choices
were to toe the line with the RIAA and others or be locked out of
playing the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft had fought it but I
am also a realist and understand that with the DMCA they really don't
have a choice unless they move their company out of the US.

We'll see what happens. I have seen HD and I'm not impressed.

Alias

 

[Bill Yanaire]

You're not getting too logical, you are getting to be just like a nagging
wife, pestering the poor henpecked husband until he drinks himself into a
stupor.

You are NOT here to guide someone to a real OS, they chose Vista and need
help configuring it. Some need to leave it and return back to XP, but
probably 99.5% or more have no interest in moving to Ubuntu or some other
toy OS that is out there. They want to get some real work done and when
Ubuntu or it's bastard children figure out how to do everything graphically,
then Ubuntu MIGHT have a better chance. Until then Ubuntu will stay in the
minority no matter how loud you cry and try to spread the word. It just
won't happen.

Most people would rather pay for an OS (Vista, XP, 2000) than to struggle
with a Linux flavor for free.

You just don't get it.

 

[DanS]

<grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

Please stop before I pis* myself!

You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a
chance.

I'm not a Linux user, and I hate top-posting.

 

[Bill Yanaire]

I have an HD service and view HD programming on my HD TV. I am impressed.
It's great. The reason you are probably not impressed is because it's hard
to view HD on a 17" TV 20 years old. Just doesn't work!

 

[Richard Urban]

<SNORT>

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

[Kerry Brown]

We'll see what happens. I have seen HD and I'm not impressed.

Alias

I agree with you on this. DRM will never work in the long run. It will
always be worked around forcing ever more onerous schemes to enforce it.
Eventually the consumer will get so pi$$ed off they will just say no to
content with DRM. Hopefully this time will come sooner rather than later. In
the mean time given the DMCA anyone who sells a HD content player in the US
must deal with it.