Freeware Logo Contest: Vote (please...)

[Rudy Versele]

Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
vote for be left:

< "Number - image name - artist"

1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson
2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage
3. The CD Gift - by CHarneyCHRIS
4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea
5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS
6. The No Dollar Sign - by Clive Savage
7. Wrapped Gift 1 - by CHarneyCHRIS
8. The Freeware Faerie - <artist unknown>
9. 234x60 freeware banner - by Ronald Sandee
10. Animated freeware image 2 - by SOS
11. Wrapped Gift 2 - by CHarneyCHRIS
12. Butterfly Freeware Coll. - by Charles Angelich
13. The acf F.A.Q. logo 00/03 - by La Bete (?)
14. Earth in hands - <artist unknown>
15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee
16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson
17. Globe on disks - <artist unknown>

<SNIP>

Okay, I try to vote:
I like the 15. Wings of freeware the most, but it is so big!
I think the maximum size of a logo should be 32x32, so that we can use
it on a freeware site.

The 1. Freeware Dollar Globe is very nice too. (only the dollar sign,
not the other sign as euro and pound)
It's better resible to 32x32 than the "Wings", but still I love the
wings more.

In fact, I don't like to compare freeware with money. eg. When I got an
email wherein stays: "you don't have to pay anything", I am very sure
that they want to steal all my money. What I meant to say is: show the
people a symbol of money on your website, and they will leave your site
immediately, because they will be afraid that they have to pay at last.
The nicest slogan I ever saw was: "a Free download for a Free World".
In most cases "freeware" means: the author cannot sell the game, because
it's too poor. He doesn't believe in shareware, so it will be freeware.
I hate that thinking!
Freeware as a step to a free world, that's real freeware!
A bird is a symbol of freedom, that's why I like the "Wings of freeware"
the most.

Rudy

 

[Clive Savage]

My vote is for...

15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Bye for now.

Clive.

 

[#]

http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free03.png

(with an update to read Absolute*LY* free software)

 

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Okay, I try to vote:
I like the 15. Wings of freeware the most, but it is so big!
I think the maximum size of a logo should be 32x32, so that we can use
it on a freeware site.
Rudy

OT : Nice to see you back again, Rudy!

On-topic: 32x32? That would be an icon, not an logo or symbol... ;-)

regards from vegard

 

[Rudy Versele]

OT : Nice to see you back again, Rudy!

On-topic: 32x32? That would be an icon, not an logo or symbol... ;-)

Indeed, my friend! But I cannot use a "big image" on each free game I
have. I would like to add a small picture (an icon) on each game to show
it is a freeware game. But those logo's are almost bigger than the
screenshots I use for the games! So, my question is: When is such a big
logo usable?

Rudy

 

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

But I cannot use a "big image" on each free game I
have. I would like to add a small picture (an icon) on each game to show
it is a freeware game. But those logo's are almost bigger than the
screenshots I use for the games! So, my question is: When is such a big
logo usable?

Rudy

A big logo is usable for identifying websites with freeware programs, or
perhaps as part of a splash screen.

I see the difficulty in getting versions of the *same* image to function
both as an icon and as an logo...

Wings in an icon? That would be difficult...

But whoever win the vote - I'm sure we can arrange for the winning image
to be "split" into different sizes, perhaps in such a manner that it can
be used and recognized as *both" an icon and an logo.

We'll just have to wait and see....

kind regards from vegard

 

[Rudy Versele]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

A big logo is usable for identifying websites with freeware programs, or
perhaps as part of a splash screen.

I see the difficulty in getting versions of the *same* image to function
both as an icon and as an logo...

Wings in an icon? That would be difficult...

But whoever win the vote - I'm sure we can arrange for the winning image
to be "split" into different sizes, perhaps in such a manner that it can
be used and recognized as *both" an icon and an logo.

We'll just have to wait and see....

As I see on this forum, I think that the Wings (#15) already won this
contest

Rudy - Belgium (a bit warmer than Norway, brrrr )

 

[Aussie Bomber]

I'm seeing that "The Freeware Faerie" is the most voted.
I don't like it, I can't imagine how a naked woman (even with wings) could
be linked with "freeware". It has also a cartoon style that seems to me too
much childish.

I don't have the English language skills to express better my thoughts,
anyway I want at least underline that I'm not a bigot strict minded person,
on the contrary I'm liberal and love broad-mindedness.

Expressed well enough for me - I totally agree.

The "Faerie" image is very attractive and I would be happy to see it
used for other things but its relevance to freeware escapes me!!

 

[seabat]

Ditto!

 

[Mikols]

http://home.no/buffy2/

IF NOT ANIMATED!

5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS

 

[Jaxxim]

["Jsp"; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:26:35 GMT]

With a compliment to all contestants I would like to vote for nr. 15. I
vote for the whole set, so if this one wins, people can choose which one
to use.

I agree. Anything by Ronald Sandee -- numbers 15 or 9 -- is all right by me,
and if one of these wins, let's have a follow-up vote to choose the specific
design. With respect to everybody, only these two entries -- and also, I
think, number 1 -- look professional and anywhere near anything resembling
freeware. (The Freeware Faerie? WTF, man? And I'm down with fairies!)

 

[Signpoet]

I vote for #2

 

[Jaxxim]

["John Fitzsimons"; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:46:31 GMT]

Any chance of your getting him to change...

"Absolute free software"

Yeah, that's not so great. I like "Totally free software," myself. Or "Free
software only."

 

[Lee Babcock]

Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
vote - they are are all listed here:

Regards from Vegard

Vegard...... my thanks for all the work you and others have put into
this logo, but I won't be voting as I don't think any of them express
'freeware'.
Almost all seem to focus on 'free' and some are too American for an
internaltional symbol.
None actually focus on software other than to display the medium that it
may to transported on.
How about another shot guys?
Regards
Lee in Toronto

 

[baylady]

Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
vote - they are are all listed here:

http://home.no/buffy2/

Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
vote for be left:

< "Number - image name - artist"

1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson
2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage
3. The CD Gift - by CHarneyCHRIS
4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea
5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS
6. The No Dollar Sign - by Clive Savage
7. Wrapped Gift 1 - by CHarneyCHRIS
8. The Freeware Faerie - <artist unknown>
9. 234x60 freeware banner - by Ronald Sandee
10. Animated freeware image 2 - by SOS
11. Wrapped Gift 2 - by CHarneyCHRIS
12. Butterfly Freeware Coll. - by Charles Angelich
13. The acf F.A.Q. logo 00/03 - by La Bete (?)
14. Earth in hands - <artist unknown>
15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee
16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson
17. Globe on disks - <artist unknown>


http://home.no/buffy2/

*Voting closes Sunday 19. December 2004*

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Big thanks to all who has contrubuted with their time, effort and
artistics skills to make all these images. Without you this could not
have happened.

Of course I hope so many people as possible will vote, or else the
winning image will have little credibility. Therefor I hereby challenge
all the 100+ "members" of a.c.f. listed in the "acf_where" thread to
vote! ;-)

Note: I'm sorry - I forgot about making the page look good for all of
you with a 800x600 screen resolution this time! :-(

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What is this about?
Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
logo or symbol for freeware.

15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

 

[Susan Bugher]

I don't see any reason why the image should be copyrighted to ACF. Just as
freeware software copyright remains with the original author, the original
artist is entitled to authorship recognition.

Authorship and copyright are not the same thing. Contributors to ACF are
given recognition. See:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/about2004PL.php

ACF should not be dependant on any one person. Newsgroup participants
come and go - the newsgroup lives on. I author the ACF and Pricelessware
web pages and copyright them to ACF to help ensure continuity.

That allows for any misuse

of the image to be addressed by the original author.

I disagree. IMO misuse of an ACF logo should be a matter for
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants to address, not one individual.

As far as I can see,

there are no issues over the end-user license when it comes to use of the
image on freeware websites.

http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free2.html

<q> © all images RSandee2004 TheNetherlands (for personal use only!) </q>

IMO there are issues. . . IMO the conditions for use should be set by
ACF participants, not one individual. . .

I think it is good stating "No spyware, no adware, no shareware" as it
makes it clear to those that may not be entirely familiar with the true
freeware concept that there are many traps for the unwary when it comes to
"free" software. It is designed as a logo with a simple message, not a
technical document providing minute detail over the precise definition of
freeware according to ACF.

As one other poster pointed out, "absolutely" would be a better grammatical
wording then "absolute" in this context.

*Misleading* language should not be used. It's better to omit *all*
those pesky "technical details". IOW omit: "No spyware, no adware, no
shareware" and "absolute free software".

"Absolute" or "absolutely free software" means:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php

<q> Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish. </q> and as a minimum,
that means *NO*:

Adware
CDWare
Commercial Software
Crippleware
Demo-ware
Donationware
Liteware
Malware
Nagware
Registerware
Requestware
Shareware
Spyware
Trialware
Warez

and speaking of unclear on the concept - see:

http://www.pragerbooksellers.com/html/book_inventory_program.html

<q>I had decided to let others use it as shareware, which as most of you
know means “free” without warranty or liability of any kind. However, a
small donation is always greatly appreciated.</q>



Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Your 2 cents are always appreciated, Susan - even though I not always
agree with you ;-)

Life would be very dull if you did.

The idea of a logo or symbol for freeware is a process. I had not
thought all of the practicals details before I suggested such an image.

We've been talking about a "symbol" for freeware. I think having an
image that includes words, especially when the words include
"alt.comp.freeware", has changed the situation.

I have been made aware about the question of image copyright and which
sites/programs should be allowed to use 'the freeware logo' image. We
(I, the creator of the winning image, and the acf group) must sort out
this issues before we can use the logo. And I'm hoping for some sort of
co-operating with the pricelessware sites.

That's a yup here.

At the moment Ronald Sandee with his "Wings of freeware" seems to be
headed for a landslide victory (but people can vote for two more weeks).
I have been in contact with Ronald earlier and I'm sure we can work out
something all can agree upon (*if* he wins!).

It would be nice to hear from him *directly*.

I hope we can let this thread be a voting thread only - for now.

Regards from Vegard

I'll try to restrain myself but. . . you've set rather a long time for
the vote. Everybody may be asleep when it's over.

Susan

 

[#]

Authorship and copyright are not the same thing. Contributors to ACF are
given recognition. See:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/about2004PL.php

I am not going to dispute definitions of authorship or copyright, but
merely state that he is the author and copyright holder, and that I think
it best if it remains that way for reasons to be detailed later.

ACF should not be dependant on any one person. Newsgroup participants
come and go - the newsgroup lives on. I author the ACF and Pricelessware
web pages and copyright them to ACF to help ensure continuity.

The use of a logo chosen by participants hardly makes ACF "dependent on any
one person". The author is merely another contributor whose work in this
case would appear to be a likely choice based on current voting patterns.

Freeware software also comes and goes, and a lot of old unsupported
packages are still available for download and use.

I am sure that if the logo is deemed unsuitable for use in future years, or
they find the "personal use" license provisions too restrictive, that ACF
contributors are more than capable of holding a vote to determine a
suitable logo should the need arise.

That allows for any misuse

I disagree. IMO misuse of an ACF logo should be a matter for
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants to address, not one individual.

"ACF" is not an individual or registered body that is realistically capable
of addressing copyright matters, particularly if legal issues should arise
- however, the original author is. It is my understanding that copyright
in a work is automatically vested in the creator, unless they choose to
assign that right. Of course, this does not prevent ACF participants from
bringing forth notifications or concerns over potential misuse.

As far as I can see,

http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free2.html

<q> © all images RSandee2004 TheNetherlands (for personal use only!) </q>

IMO there are issues. . . IMO the conditions for use should be set by
ACF participants, not one individual. . .

I am sure that ACF participants are more than capable of making a decision
as to which logo they choose based upon the information provided. If they
are unhappy with the usage provisions, I am sure they are able to factor
this into the equation when voting or making a final choice.

What is the problem with a "for personal use only" license?

Freeware software often also comes with specific license agreements - do we
still accept and use a particular package knowing those details?

*Misleading* language should not be used. It's better to omit *all*
those pesky "technical details". IOW omit: "No spyware, no adware, no
shareware" and "absolute free software".

Hardly misleading. On the contrary, it is making it clear that there is
*NO* adware, spyware or shareware. These are commonly used terms that
people would be familiar with and show that freeware is distinct from these
well known items. Covering the majors: Short, snappy and to the point.

"Absolute" or "absolutely free software" means:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php

<q> Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish. </q> and as a minimum,
that means *NO*:

So I would take it that you have no real objection to the term "Absolutely
free software" as it basically says the same thing in fewer words.

Adware
CDWare
Commercial Software
Crippleware
Demo-ware
Donationware
Liteware
Malware
Nagware
Registerware
Requestware
Shareware
Spyware
Trialware
Warez

As you mentioned previously, there would be no harm in including a link to
the pricelessware glossary page if the webmaster of the site thought it
would be benficial for clarification of the explicit "ware" definitions.

 

[miskairal]

15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

 

[imabrowneye]

Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
vote - they are are all listed here:



5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS

This one has got my vote....

JB