Family Pack license in the works - Update

[Alias]

Alias spake thusly on 1/18/2007 5:24 PM:

On the other hand.....

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/Microsoft_MS_OS.html

I guess they didn't get the memo. ;-)

I guess not.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Whether or not the hardware purchase is required for purchase, it is
required by the license that OEM XP be installed on new hardware.

Dale

The EULAs I agreed to don't say that.

Alias

 

[Paul-B]

The EULAs I agreed to don't say that.

Alias

Correct.

Here's the relevant section copied from Windows XP Pro EULA

"4. TRANSFER—Internal. You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove
the Product from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third
Party. The initial user of the Product may make a one-time transfer of
the Product to another end user. The transfer has to include all
component parts, media, printed materials, this EULA, and if
applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity. The transfer may not be an
indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, the
end user receiving the transferred Product must agree to all the EULA
terms. No Rental. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide commercial
hosting services to third parties with the Product.

There's an interesting article on Vista and XP EULA here:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7075

You can download pdf copies of all Mixrosoft EULA here:

http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx

 

[Robert Blacher]

Living proof that there is a market for everything!

Oh well, I guess it's only $10, a cup of coffee or two at Starbucks.

 

[MICHAEL]

What a crock.

If microsoft were to accept the returns or if you sold the retail Ultimate version to
somebody else, this is neither legally or morally wrong.

In fact I would go further that you have a moral duty to make the most use of your earnings,
and if you can legitimately save money (which you could always donate to charity) you have a
dty to do so. Anything else is wasteful, which although it might be symptomatic of the
American Way, it morally reprehensible.

I agree. Corporations like Microsoft employ an army of attorneys and CPAs
that do nothing but figure out how to take advantage of every possible loophole
there is. How many companies open up a small office in a state like Delaware
just so they can claim that's where their headquarters are and where they
incorporated- just for the pro-business laws and lower state taxes? Some even
"move" their headquarters off-shore.

I continue to be amazed at how willingly many people just take what they
are given, do what they are told, and never question it, never complain,
and never do anything about it. If that type of passiveness had persisted
230 years ago- the United States wouldn't exist.


-Michael

 

[Robert Blacher]

Ah, what the heck. Why buy Vista Ultimate for $400 and two Home Premiums
for another $100 at a total of $500 when for less than that we can obtain
a TechNet subscription that includes 10 copies of Vista and 10 copies of
Office 2007 as well.

That's an interesting question, Dale. Why, indeed? Maybe folks will take
your hint and do so. ROFLMAO

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Of course the TechNet license does not permit use in a production
environment or as your personal daily OS use. It is for evaluation purposes
only.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

That's the retail EULA.

Correct.

Here's the relevant section copied from Windows XP Pro EULA

"4. TRANSFER-Internal. You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove
the Product from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third
Party. The initial user of the Product may make a one-time transfer of
the Product to another end user. The transfer has to include all
component parts, media, printed materials, this EULA, and if
applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity. The transfer may not be an
indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, the
end user receiving the transferred Product must agree to all the EULA
terms. No Rental. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide commercial
hosting services to third parties with the Product.

There's an interesting article on Vista and XP EULA here:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7075

You can download pdf copies of all Mixrosoft EULA here:

http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx

 

[Paul-B]

That's the retail EULA.

Can't find any other EULA on the Microsoft website. And the one quoted
is not the retail one, it also refers to Educational and RTF versions.
However if you'd like to post a link to the OEM EULA please do so.

 

[Robert Blacher]

It was Dale's suggestion -- not mine! :-}

Of course the TechNet license does not permit use in a production
environment or as your personal daily OS use. It is for evaluation
purposes only.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Just ruminating. Point taken.

It was Dale's suggestion -- not mine! :-}

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Microsoft issued a press release related to this subject late yesterday.
You can find it at:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jan07/01-17ConsumerOptionsPR.mspx


With regard to the "Family Discount Reward" MS says:

"To make it easier for households with multiple PCs to make the move to
Windows Vista, Microsoft is launching a limited-time offer for customers
who buy retail copies of Windows Vista Ultimate. From Jan. 30 through
June 30, the Windows Vista Family Discount will allow North American
customers to license two additional copies of Windows Vista Home Premium
for use on other PCs in the home at the reduced price of $49.99 each.
Before completing the order online, customers will need to enter one
valid full or upgrade Windows Vista Ultimate key from their retail boxed
product. After eligibility is verified online, the customer can purchase
licenses to install Windows Vista Home Premium on one or two additional
Windows-based computers. The Windows Vista Family Discount is available
only in the U.S. and Canada. More information is available at
http://www.windowsvista.com/FamilyOffer ."

Unfortunately, the link to http://www.windowsvista.com/FamilyOffer
doesn't work. But, the language:

"Before completing the order online, customers will need to enter one
valid full or upgrade Windows Vista Ultimate key from their retail boxed
product."

mentions qualifying for the Family Discount with an "UPGRADE" key. So,
buy Ultimate Upgrade for $259 or whatever and you end up with 3 licenses
(2 for Home Premium) for $359. That's better than the initial report
which suggested you had to buy a full retail version to qualify.

At least one other nugget in the press release: In the new program to
buy Windows Vista as a download from Windows Marketplace, it
specifically mentions only buying UPGRADE versions through this program
but then, thankfully, makes it clear that the 64-bit version is
available. See the section entitled "Windows Marketplace Adds Windows
Vista to Its Virtual Shelves." Given the confusion over what's in the
upgrade boxes, at least now those wanting to UPGRADE to the 64-bit
version have a place to look.

I'm going to bite my tongue on any opinions for now and just stop here
as a public service. :-}

I'm actually fairly impressed with this offer. At least MS is making an
attempt to reduce the cost of purchasing licences in compliance with the
EULA for home users. Think about it - you could go in with friends or
family even if you needed to to get it and still get a deal.


--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[MICHAEL]

I'm actually fairly impressed with this offer. At least MS is making an
attempt to reduce the cost of purchasing licences in compliance with the
EULA for home users. Think about it - you could go in with friends or
family even if you needed to to get it and still get a deal.

"Think about it - you could go in with friends"

Watch out. The loophole, non-compliance, out-of-compliance, not the intent,
EULA, morality police will be after you.


-Michael

 

[Scott]

Robert Blacher spake thusly on 1/19/2007 6:17 AM:

Living proof that there is a market for everything!

Oh well, I guess it's only $10, a cup of coffee or two at Starbucks.

Depends on the coffee. $10.00 will get me two Vinte Mochas.

Hey! A Mocha sounds good right now.

Off to Starbucks.

 

[Scott]

Dale spake thusly on 1/18/2007 8:09 PM:

Isn't it amazing that people openly discuss stealing and the "community"
doesn't take a stand? Where's Matt Dillon when we need him?

Who says this is a "community"?

If you want an OS "community" go here ---> http://www.ubuntuforums.org

 

[Scott]

MICHAEL spake thusly on 1/18/2007 8:35 PM:

Isn't it amazing that some of you dolts assume
guilt without proof?

Isn't it amazing how you quote 97(!) lines of text and only add *two*
lines of your own.

 

[Scott]

Dale spake thusly on 1/18/2007 8:03 PM:

Knowingly searching for the loophole and using it in violation of the
intent or spirit of the contract is stealing. While it may not get you
in jail, it is still stealing. Humans don't need courts or laws to
define right or wrong. We know it instinctively.

And if you're going to steal, at steal find bigger pickin's It's just
not fair to pick on a smaller vendor such as Microsoft. They're barely
making ends meet. Bankruptsy has been rumored for months now....

 

[MICHAEL]

I bet you like this, too.


-Michael

MICHAEL spake thusly on 1/18/2007 8:35 PM:

Isn't it amazing how you quote 97(!) lines of text and only add *two* lines of your own.


--
Scott http://angrykeyboartder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

 

[Nina DiBoy]

There's an interesting article on Vista and XP EULA here:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7075

You can download pdf copies of all Mixrosoft EULA here:

http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx

Good links, thanks for the info. However it should be noted that the
second link is for RETAIL (not generic OEM) copies of windows.

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"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Nina DiBoy]

"Think about it - you could go in with friends"

Watch out. The loophole, non-compliance, out-of-compliance, not the
intent,
EULA, morality police will be after you.


-Michael

LOL! No kidding!

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot