Family Pack license in the works - Update

[Scott]

DevilsPGD spake thusly on 1/18/2007 9:25 AM:

In message <[email protected]> David Hearn


I'd go the other wa around, waiting X hours for a download to finish
isn't really a big deal. Driving across town to a store is a lot more
hassle.

Me, I'm going for the Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE Limited
Numbered Signature Edition. The box isn't available for download. ;-)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000M2WPIQ

 

[Scott]

MICHAEL spake thusly on 1/18/2007 6:38 AM:

I can only wonder what additional "excitement" this will cause the
newsgroup. Dad or mom goes out and buys three copies of Vista,
and decides to upgrade all the computers the same day. Lawd have
mercy on these Vista newsgroups.

Heh. Then 98% of people here will be top-quoting, instead of the current
80%.

 

[Scott]

Lang Murphy spake thusly on 1/18/2007 12:32 AM:

Richard,

I have mixed feelings about this offer. Why not offer it as "buy Home
Premium at full price and get two additional copies for $50 each."? Why
force someone to buy Ultimate to get the offer? Maybe an extra $170 in
the MS coffer? Why not offer Ultimate at full price and two additional
licenses for $75 each? Bundling two different versions just seems a
little odd to me. But that's just my POV. I'm not saying it's a rip-off
or a bad deal... just smells a little funny to me...

Business user & head of household buys Ultimate (or Ultimate upgrade)
for his notebook and gets a copy of Premium (for $50.00 each) for his
Home PC and one for the PC in his daughters room.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Scott]

CJM spake thusly on 1/18/2007 4:02 AM:

Hardly. It saves you $180 on the RRP for retail versions of the three
products. But who pays RRP?

Is "RRP" anything like MSRP? Assuming it is then....

More importantly, who buys retail?

Most anybody who upgrades will buy retail. I'm one of those people.

As a minimum, most people will be opting for an upgrade, which means this family pack is
more expensive.

Why? I'm going for it. I'm buying the retail version of Vista Ultimate
Upgrade ($249.00) and then getting an extra license for Home Premium for
$50.00.

I think you need to read
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jan07/01-17ConsumerOptionsPR.mspx

So in essence I'm paying for two copies of Home Premium Upgrade and
getting a "free" upgrade from Home Premium to Ultimate on one of them.

And were I buying two Home Premium licenses the deal would be even
sweeter.

Many others will opt for OEM copies since they are unlikely to want to move
the OS from machine to machine, so this deal is even more expensive.

Most people have no clue what an "OEM" c0py is and if the retailer is
selling it legally the person would also have to be buying qualifying
hardware.

 

[Robert Blacher]

Me, I'm going for the Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE Limited
Numbered Signature Edition. The box isn't available for download. ;-)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000M2WPIQ

I keep thinking that offering from Amazon is a joke.

Are you really willing to pay $10 for Bill Gates' signature? :-}

 

[Paul-B]

Most people have no clue what an "OEM" c0py is and if the retailer is
selling it legally the person would also have to be buying qualifying
hardware.

Not so in Europe. See http://www.bluesolutions.co.uk/ which is where I
buy my software. They sell software only, no hardware is available.

 

[Alias]

Scott wrote:.

Most people have no clue what an "OEM" c0py is and if the retailer is
selling it legally the person would also have to be buying qualifying
hardware.

I have yet to see one copy of a full retail XP in Spain. All the
computer shops sell generic OEMs with NO hardware. In fact, I just
bought myself a copy of XP Pro SPB from NewEgg in the USA with NO
hardware. A friend of mine bought it and sent it to me by mail.

The hardware nonsense was dropped a long time ago in ALL countries.

Sooooo, it appears YOU need to get a clue regarding generic (DPS) OEM
licences.

Alias

 

[caver1]

Most people have no clue what an "OEM" c0py is and if the retailer is
selling it legally the person would also have to be buying qualifying
hardware.

It maybe against the contract that the seller has with MS but I doubt
very seriously that there is a law on the books that makes it a crime.
Contract dispute is all.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

The hardware requirement has been removed (some time ago).

 

[Alias]

The hardware requirement has been removed (some time ago).

In the USA and maybe Canada. Not here. There never was a hardware
requirement.

Alias

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> Scott

Me, I'm going for the Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE Limited
Numbered Signature Edition. The box isn't available for download. ;-)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000M2WPIQ

I'll pay extra to NOT have the limited numbered signature edition.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> "Colin

The hardware requirement has been removed (some time ago).

At least one of my wholesalers still has the "* Only for purchase with
qualifying hardware, or by authorized Microsoft partners" or something
to that effect.

They never enforced it though, they'd just give you $10 off and throw in
a known-defective mouse for $10, or something equally stupid.

That being said, I don't buy OEM software through them anymore, could be
they just never updated the pricelist.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

NewEgg is slow to update their OEM info also. It seems the prices get
updated PDQ but erroneous fine print lives on forever.

 

[Scott]

Robert Blacher spake thusly on 1/18/2007 10:56 AM:

I keep thinking that offering from Amazon is a joke.

Oh it's no joke.

And it's being sold all over. Amazon isn't the only place to get it.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203931995&loc=105&sp=1

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=344270

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=vista signature edition

Are you really willing to pay $10 for Bill Gates' signature? :-}

That depends on what it costs. In this case it's only $10.00. And
actually, I'm more interested in the
numbered part than the signature part (since obviously he didn't sign
20,000 boxes).

 

[Scott]

DevilsPGD spake thusly on 1/18/2007 1:52 PM:

In message <[email protected]> Scott


I'll pay extra to NOT have the limited numbered signature edition.

So buy the version of your choice and tear up a $10.00 bill.

 

[Scott]

caver1 spake thusly on 1/18/2007 11:47 AM:

It maybe against the contract that the seller has with MS but I doubt
very seriously that there is a law on the books that makes it a crime.
Contract dispute is all.

Correct. My use of "legally" wasn't the right word, but you get the
idea.

 

[Scott]

Alias spake thusly on 1/18/2007 11:39 AM:

Scott wrote:.

I have yet to see one copy of a full retail XP in Spain. All the
computer shops sell generic OEMs with NO hardware.

Most places here (BestBuy, CompUSA etc) only sell retail. Smaller shops
do sell OEM and then of course there are the online retailers.

In fact, I just
bought myself a copy of XP Pro SPB from NewEgg in the USA with NO
hardware. A friend of mine bought it and sent it to me by mail.

I've actually never bought any OEM software, because most of what I've
bought doesn't come in an OEM version, or I wasn't aware of an OEM version.

The hardware nonsense was dropped a long time ago in ALL countries.

I stand corrected.

Sooooo, it appears YOU need to get a clue regarding generic (DPS) OEM
licences.

And thanks to you, I have.

 

[Alias]

Alias spake thusly on 1/18/2007 11:39 AM:

Most places here (BestBuy, CompUSA etc) only sell retail. Smaller shops
do sell OEM and then of course there are the online retailers.


I've actually never bought any OEM software, because most of what I've
bought doesn't come in an OEM version, or I wasn't aware of an OEM version.

I stand corrected.


And thanks to you, I have.

You're welcome ;-)

Alias

 

[Scott]

Alias spake thusly on 1/18/2007 5:24 PM:

You're welcome ;-)

On the other hand.....

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/Microsoft_MS_OS.html

I guess they didn't get the memo. ;-)

 

[William]

Taking advantage of a possible loophole in Microsoft's policies is no more stealing than it is to take advantage of tax loopholes to save money on taxes.


WOW!

I can't believe some of the comments here. I told a certain fella (I'm sure
he remembers the thread) a couple of months ago that people steal because
they want to steal. Lowering the price wouldn't make any difference.

Well, unfortunately, from some of the comments it looks like I am right.

Some of you still aren't happy and it looks like you would still steal the
operating system if you could.

What has happened to right and wrong?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!