End to piracy

[RoadRunner]

Ok bud , I send a email to g mail , take a look

I would, but they'd probably kill my post ;-) ..

Yes, I'm trying ubuntu sort of for the first time -- I tried it about a
year ago, but it seemed to lack many things that other distros had.
However, I understand the 'beryl' window manager is available on the
latest ubuntu and I wanted to give it a go. Ran into some problems
switching to the pre-release version of it, though. (Fortunately, unlike
Vista, my problem wasn't a mis-typed 30-digit product key!!!.)

My real e-mail address is on the message if you want to private send the
list.

-Rob

 

[robw]

Got it.. I'm going to try to boot back into Ubuntu (won't be able to access
these newsgroups probably for rest of evening) .. So I can actually "see"
the things they're suggesting in the Ubuntu tutorials, for example.

Thanks.
Rob

 

[Mark D. VandenBerg]

Hi, I am a person from a nation known for its rampant piracy of windows
software. As far as i understand piracy occurs when the software is
priced
beyond the reach of most people. A solution to this is for Microsoft to
go
in differential pricing. They know the per capita income of the country,
and
they should price it accordingly. This would surely exterminate piracy.
Moreover I would request Microsoft to reword its EULA to allow atleast 5
upgrades to your hardware with a single licence of Vista.

What ever happened to a strong work ethic and the pride in knowing you
earned what you have accumulated instead of having it handed to you like so
many other, worthless entitlements? Out of fashion, I guess...

 

[SESSION_EVENT]

Are you referring to Microsoft here? Because that is what they are demanding
with their new EULA. People pay more for full Retail copies and about the
only benefit is that the license is transferable. Microsoft wants to change
the rules and give OEM EULA value for Retail prices. Money for nothing.

 

[Guest]

No dice there.
I get to go out and spend the money just like everyone else does. The
reasons I am not worried about the EULA are as follows.
1. Before I buy Vista, I will be doing upgrades on my computer, with Vosta
RC1 as my test platform, when I get 4,5 or 5.0 + across the index, I will be
ready for Vista. This way, I don't have to worry about the issues of having
to update hardware and do the whole re-activation thing. Look, I even got a
few months to do so.
2. I am not running pirated software, so GWA and all that are not an issue.
If I need it, I buy it. If I can't afford it, I save till I can.
3. I know that though I may buy the liscense, Microsoft still owns the
program, so they make the rules. I have the choice whether to accept it and
install it or not to.
Look, compain all you want, but if you want to play the game, you have to
abide by the rules..

 

[Mark D. VandenBerg]

Are you referring to Microsoft here? Because that is what they are
demanding
with their new EULA. People pay more for full Retail copies and about the
only benefit is that the license is transferable. Microsoft wants to
change
the rules and give OEM EULA value for Retail prices. Money for nothing.

No, I was referring to those who justify thievery as apropos to their lot in
life.

 

[SESSION_EVENT]

No I don't agree with theivrey. I have held off on things until the Lord
gave me the means to get them. That's the way to do it. Not theft. I don't
know if you are Judaeo-Christian, but God never said "Do not steal (except
if you are poor)".

But this is not a theft issue. This is Microsoft changing the rules ..
welshing, in my opinion, on their loyal customers. Offering OEM EULA value
at Retail prices. I am hoping they relent.

 

[xfile]

And conspiracy theory will suggest pirate will support the type of license
for:

(1) It doesn't affect them at all, they don't pay for it,

(2) It helps their business because people are sick and tired and then use
pirated instead.

People against these policy are truly thinking from the point of view that
pirated is not an option - otherwise, who cares?

 

[Mark D. VandenBerg]

No I don't agree with theivrey. I have held off on things until the Lord
gave me the means to get them. That's the way to do it. Not theft. I don't
know if you are Judaeo-Christian, but God never said "Do not steal (except
if you are poor)".

But this is not a theft issue. This is Microsoft changing the rules ..
welshing, in my opinion, on their loyal customers. Offering OEM EULA value
at Retail prices. I am hoping they relent.

What has been in the past will not always be in the future.

To put this into context, each Microsoft product has had its own EULA. Some
allowed multiple installs, such as Office. Most don't. Windows EULA's have
changed significantly since 3.1. Is it such a surprise that it will change
again?

If you don't agree to the EULA, don't install the software. This is sound
reasoning for any software, not just that of Microsoft.

If someone is too lazy or too inept to read the EULA and agrees to it, how
is this any different than a professional athlete signing a contract that
they did not read? Or, how is this different than signing a repair order
for your car without reading it?

Caveat Emptor, old boy!

 

[Alias~-]

I believe they just want more money from us fair honest buyers of their
product. But this went to far in vista. No way will I purchase it more than
once if that. Sure will not consider a purchase to they change their
licensing restricitons and until Vista Service pack 1 or two comes out to
know that it will work great. As I did for Windows Xp. Microsoft should
treat us honest buyers of their products with respect as we deserve if they
want our business.

It's obvious that MS does not care for its paying customers, especially
its beta testers with this new hardware crap. I think that Vista will be
MS' last OS, Office 2007 its last off line Office and is setting its
sights on on line offerings while milking the XP/Vista/Office cow as
much as it can while it can. First they saturated the market with
95/98/W2K/Office 97/2K that were easily pirated. Once they had a decent
OS, XP, and a virtual monopoly, they instituted WPA and WGA to stop
casual piracy and make casual pirates pay for each XP (be it the OS or
Office) they wanted.

So, who's the bloody pirate in this movie?

Alias

 

[Alias~-]

Ok bud , I send a email to g mail , take a look

Can you send me the list too?

iamalias
at
gmail
com

Thanks,

Alias

 

[Roy Coorne]

Gene Fitz schrieb:
....

Choices as follows:
1. If you can affort to buy it, buy it, install it and use it.
2. If you can not afford to buy it, save up till you can, then follow step #1
3. If you can't afford to buy it, and you can't afford to save for it. Don't
get Vista. ...

.... stay with XP!


Roy

 

[RoadRunner]

Yeah no problem bud , I just send it to you , Let me know if you got it

 

[Alias~-]

Yeah no problem bud , I just send it to you , Let me know if you got it

No, I didn't.

Alias

 

[RoadRunner]

is it just alias or iamalias ?

No, I didn't.

Alias

 

[RoadRunner]

anyways i just send to both , did u get it this time ?

 

[Alias~-]

Yeah no problem bud , I just send it to you , Let me know if you got it

I just got it. Thanks.

Alias

 

[Alias~-]

is it just alias or iamalias ?

It's iamalias because alias was already taken. I wonder who you sent it
to ...

I got it, thanks.

Alias

 

[RoadRunner]

LOL ... cool

It's iamalias because alias was already taken. I wonder who you sent it to
...

I got it, thanks.

Alias

 

[Guest]

The solution to me is simple, Don't pirate the software. Microsoft is
actually doing something progressive, which, if it works, will blaze a path
for other software developers.
Lets be honest, it isn't really about the cost, it is about getting
something for nothing. It is stealing. Software piracy is no better than
going to a store and stuffing the CD down your pants. No better than shop
lifting, no better than any other form of theft.
A thief is a thief, whether he or she steals in person at a store, or at
home over the internet. There is no difference. Software pirates to be should
be happy that Microsoft is only shutting down the program and not tracking IP
addresses and forwarding them to the authorities.
Honesty is the best policy, if you don't want to deal with the issues of
pirated software, or the possibility of getting cought or losing the
functionality of your system, there is a simple solution. Don't use pirated
software.
Choices as follows:
1. If you can affort to buy it, buy it, install it and use it.
2. If you can not afford to buy it, save up till you can, then follow step #1
3. If you can't afford to buy it, and you can't afford to save for it. Don't
get Vista.
Now I know that sounds cold and mean spirited, bit this isn't a victimless
crime. Just liek with shoplifting, the more others steal, the more we, who
pay for it, have to pay, because someone has to make up for the lost revenue.
If you work for a living, you expect to get payed to do so. The same goes
for the programmers and such. Some folks put a lot of time and effort into
the creation and design of this program. I think they deserve their pay as
well..

Just a thought

I disagree.

Go into a shop and stuff a CD down your pants, the shop has paid out actual
money for that actual CD, right down the chain (packaging, CD pressing,
transport etc) and a lot of people are out of pocket.

A teenager buying a CD and his mate copying a few tracks from it, is a
completely different thing altogether. No one is out of pocket and no one
has lost anything. You could argue that the record company/artist has lost
royalities, but this would only be true if the teenager that copied the
tracks, would have brought the CD if he couldn't copy it.

I really don't understand people who cant see this obvious difference and
say it's all the same type of theft.

When I was young we had cassette tapes. I would tape off the radio as I
couldn't afford the LP's, was I a thief? (One UK radio presenter, John Peel
even used to wait until the record had ended so that we wouldn't get talking
over our recordings). I would save up for an album, my friends would tape
it. I would tape my friends albums. We only had a finite amount of money
between us, no one lost out, we wern't going into shops and stealing LP's we
were doing what the majority of kids did.

Back to Windows

I brought Win95. It didn't live up to what it was advertised to do. I then
brought Win 98 followed by Win98 2nd edition. Again they didn't do what they
claimed. They did crash a lot. Along comes windows XP. All I wanted was an
operating system that didn't crash. I'd paid out money numerous times in the
past and had been let down. I wasn't going to do the same thing again. I
pirated XP, used it for about 4 months, was happy that it did what it said
pretty well and went out and brought legit copies for my 3 home PC's.

It's easy to give your 3 step advice for buying Vista (or any other
software) but things aren't as clear cut as that in the real world. I can
afford to buy software and always buy software if I like it and regulally use
it (often pirate it first to give it a good try out), but then theres things
like schools. The schools (my kids schools in the UK do anyway) use a certain
version of office. The kids have to do some work at home. They get in a right
mess when they are using different versions to the school. yes I could
install openoffice, but it wouldn't help my kids do their work. I have
brought various legit versions of office, but did I go out and buy yet
another version of office? No I didn't, I got hold of a pirated version.

What about the huge amount of people I know on low income that have jjust
managed to afford a basic home comouter yet their kids need MS Access to do
their schoolwork on.

It's alright to label people thieves etc. But at some point, rightousness
comes into it. I have installed my legitamet purchased version of access on
a few friends PC's in order for their kids to be able to do their homework as
they have absolutely NO other means of being able to do so.