Diskeeper

[Mike Hall - MVP]

The Microsoft Support message

Disk Defragmenter MMC is based on the
full retail version of Executive
Software Diskeeper. The version that is
included with Windows XP and later
provides limited functionality in
maintaining disk performance by
defragmenting volumes that use the FAT,
FAT32, or NTFS file system.

seems to indicate that Diskeeper is the
original XP defragmenter.

The defragger in Windows XP is loosely based on Diskeeper..

When Diskeeper is installed, it sees itself as an UPGRADE to the XP
defragger, disables it, and takes over all defrag duties.

If you uninstall the Diskeeper that appears in add/remove programs, you will
be left with the defragger which comes as part of XP..

Please read the three paragraphs above until you you finally understand..

 

[Gianni]

When I go to defrag my hard drive,
Diskeeper comes up.

As Tom Willetts and John John insisted I do,
I did remove Diskeeper and, as I was
told, the built-in defragger did appear.
Thank you for hanging in there with me.
Yes. I can be thickheaded at times.

I still have questions:

Why was the built-in defragger hidden?
If I were to choose another browser
over IE, IE would still be available to me.

My biggest stumbling block was the
Microsoft Support implying that Diskeeper
was the defragger for XP.

Anyway, thanks for everyone's patience.
No. I am not a troll.

 

[Gianni]

The defragger in Windows XP is loosely based on Diskeeper..

When Diskeeper is installed, it sees itself as an UPGRADE to the XP
defragger, disables it, and takes over all defrag duties.

If you uninstall the Diskeeper that appears in add/remove programs, you will
be left with the defragger which comes as part of XP..

Please read the three paragraphs above until you you finally understand..

Mike,

Thank you. I just posted the question that
you answered so well. I can follow the logic
although I may not agree with it.

 

[Tom [Pepper] Willett]

: Thank you. I just posted the question that
: you answered so well. I can follow the logic
: although I may not agree with it.

What a hooplehead.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Mike,

Thank you. I just posted the question that
you answered so well. I can follow the logic
although I may not agree with it.

Which part do you not agree with?

 

[Gianni]

Which part do you not agree with?

I don't agree with hiding the basic version
that comes with Windows. They should both
be available just as IE is available if
I use
another browser.

 

[Twayne]

Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
Yes, you are missing something. Someone has installed a full
version of diskeeper, and you've been told to uninstall it.

At this point I am more than a little
confused.

I looked up Diskeeper in Control
Pane>Services.
It was set to start up automatically. Why ?
I changed it to start up manually. Mistake ?

You really should answer the following questions in order to provide
better information to work with.

Does XP defrag work now?

Have you tried to uninstall it via Contron Panel's Add or Remove
Software?

What brand is your computer?

Twayne`

Diskeeper does work although it detects
a problem
with a snap-in. It gives an option to
ignore the problem
and continue. It always works after
ignoring the
snap-in problem.

I haven't tried to uninstall Diskeeper
because it seems to be the
Windows XP defragger.

I have a Lenovo T61 running XP Pro SP3.

IT is NOT the XP defragger. From what I've seen in other's posts, and
suggested already, removing Diskkeeper will let XP's defragger become
available. If it were XP's defragger, it wouldn't be showing you
"diskeeper" as a name. Whether you just have a language translatio
problem or what I don't know, but you are making mountains out of
molehills. MS would not violate copyright, trademark and probably
patents and use Diskeerper "as is" and especially wouldn't use the name
if they did make arrangements with Diskeeper to use portions of their
code.
Quit-worrying-about-diskeeper being the MS defragger. It is NOT.
That's a relationship that is irrelevent to most users. Just uninstall
it and get on with your life.

Twayne`

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

I don't agree with hiding the basic version
that comes with Windows. They should both
be available just as IE is available if
I use
another browser.

IE is only still available if you use a browser from a different source. Not
sure why you would want to use XP defrag anyway if you had Diskeeper
installed..

 

[Twayne]

As Tom Willetts and John John insisted I do,
I did remove Diskeeper and, as I was
told, the built-in defragger did appear.
Thank you for hanging in there with me.
Yes. I can be thickheaded at times.

I still have questions:

Why was the built-in defragger hidden?
If I were to choose another browser
over IE, IE would still be available to me.

My biggest stumbling block was the
Microsoft Support implying that Diskeeper
was the defragger for XP.

Anyway, thanks for everyone's patience.
No. I am not a troll.

Because that is how it is designed is the only sure and accurate
reponse. WHY things get done as they do are seldom released to the
public, especially by Microsoft. It could be anything from the two not
being able to live together at the same time on the same machine to a
contractual obligation. Why software authors do what they do is
sometimes only known by the software author. They are the ones that
control everything and react to the directions they are given otherwise.
Don't try to second-guess them or you'll go nuts with it.

It's not worth going any further.

Twayne`

 

[Gerry]

Gianni

When Diskeeper is installed it changes a key in the Windows Registry
thereby disabling the Disk Defragmenter provided by Microsoft with
Windows XP. Uninstalling Diskeeper should reverse the change. There is a
FAQ on the Diskeeper web site teling how the change can be manually
reversed if the uninstall does not do what it should do.


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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[Gianni]

Gianni

When Diskeeper is installed it changes a key in the Windows Registry
thereby disabling the Disk Defragmenter provided by Microsoft with
Windows XP. Uninstalling Diskeeper should reverse the change. There is a
FAQ on the Diskeeper web site teling how the change can be manually
reversed if the uninstall does not do what it should do.

Thanks.

I was able to remove Diskeeper and
bring up the built-in version.

Diskeeper was bothering me because
it had an icon on the task bar. Now and
then a second icon would appear and
I hadn't used Diskeeper. So it made me
think that there was something running
in the background that I hadn't started.

 

[Gerry]

Mike

http://www.diskeepereurope.com/en/07_general/faqs2_dk/r_07.htm

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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Gerry]

John

This link might be of interest:
http://www.diskeepereurope.com/en/07_general/faqs2_dk/r_07.htm

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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Jose]

Thanks.

I was able to remove Diskeeper and
bring up the built-in version.

Diskeeper was bothering me because
it had an icon on the task bar. Now and
then a second icon would appear and
I hadn't used Diskeeper. So it made me
think that there was something running
in the background that I hadn't started.

You can have your cake and eat it too.

It is easy to restore the original XP defrag program to the System
Tools options and still have Diskeeper installed to use whenever you
want. Easy. Is that what you need?

I don't remember all the DK options but when you install it you choose
to have it run automatically (Set it and Forget it), which runs
constantly in the background all the time. (I would not go for this) -
or only on demand. Their installation installs what it thinks you
probably want, but you can change it. Install it, configure it, put
the start icon on your desktop, in some folder or add it to a menu and
run it wherever you get the urge.

If you see a DK icon in the Notification Area (next to the clock) or
in the Quick Launch area (next to the Start button), and it confuses
or bothers you, that can be dealt with easily.

Jose

 

[Gianni]

You can have your cake and eat it too.

It is easy to restore the original XP defrag program to the System
Tools options and still have Diskeeper installed to use whenever you
want. Easy. Is that what you need?

I don't remember all the DK options but when you install it you choose
to have it run automatically (Set it and Forget it), which runs
constantly in the background all the time. (I would not go for this) -
or only on demand. Their installation installs what it thinks you
probably want, but you can change it. Install it, configure it, put
the start icon on your desktop, in some folder or add it to a menu and
run it wherever you get the urge.

If you see a DK icon in the Notification Area (next to the clock) or
in the Quick Launch area (next to the Start button), and it confuses
or bothers you, that can be dealt with easily.

Jose

Yes. You've caught the gist of what
was bothering me and what I wanted to
do.

I have removed Diskeeper. I don't
want it back.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Yes. You've caught the gist of what
was bothering me and what I wanted to
do.

I have removed Diskeeper. I don't
want it back.

You could have gone into Diskeeper preferences and removed the option to run
in the background..

 

[Gianni]

You could have gone into Diskeeper preferences and removed the option to run
in the background..

You have answered another question
that I had about stopping the running
in the background. Thank you.

 

[Jose]

I don't agree with hiding the basic version
that comes with Windows. They should both
be available just as IE is available if
I use
another browser.

Here is my .02...

You do not say how you want to use the XP defragmenter, but let's say
you are going to Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, and
running Disk Defragmenter.

Right Click Disk Defragmenter, and choose Properties, does the Target
field look like this:

%SystemRoot%\System32\dfrg.msc

dfrg.msc is the built in XP defragmenter. See how it is in the
System32 folder with all the other XP stuff?

When you get to your disk(s) through My Computer... Properties, Tools
it also runs dfrg.msc.

I don't use DK, so I suspect if it gets installed and choose Disk
Defragmenter and DK runs instead of the XP verision, DK changed these
Targets to run the DK version instead of dfrg.msc. That would be a
quick and easy, sneaky change. Nothing gets deleted, nothing gets
hidden, nothing gets renamed. Only the Targets get changed. All the
XP stuff is still there, but now when you choose a defrag operation,
DK runs instead of dfrg.msc.

You can also go to Start, Run and enter dfrg.msc to always run the XP
defragmenter (or lots of programs).

If you want to use DK, go ahead! You can choose to not have it start
automatically and if it replaces dfrg.msc in your Tools Target, change
it back. Is there a "make this by default defragmenter" option
perhaps? Run DK whenever you feel the need. Some people swear by
DK. Some people swear at it.

Since I don't use DK, if somebody has it installed, they can check if
those options launch DK instead of dfrg.msc and check the Properties
to see if DK changed them. It is easy to make a change to run any
program you want when you choose Disk Defragmenter.

You can certainly have more than 1 browser installed and still use
IE. I prefer Firefox and you can make it your "default" browser so
every time you click a link it will run FF instead of IE, but you can
change it back anytime you want (but you probably won't want to make
IE your default anymore).

There are times you must run IE - not surprisingly, some Microsoft
pages don't work with Firefox, so I would never uninstall IE and
installing FF will leave IE just fine for when you need it.

Now I have to add defragmenter to my spelling dictionary.

Jose

 

[Ian D]

I don't agree with hiding the basic version
that comes with Windows. They should both
be available just as IE is available if
I use
another browser.

Here is my .02...

You do not say how you want to use the XP defragmenter, but let's say
you are going to Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, and
running Disk Defragmenter.

Right Click Disk Defragmenter, and choose Properties, does the Target
field look like this:

%SystemRoot%\System32\dfrg.msc

dfrg.msc is the built in XP defragmenter. See how it is in the
System32 folder with all the other XP stuff?

When you get to your disk(s) through My Computer... Properties, Tools
it also runs dfrg.msc.

I don't use DK, so I suspect if it gets installed and choose Disk
Defragmenter and DK runs instead of the XP verision, DK changed these
Targets to run the DK version instead of dfrg.msc. That would be a
quick and easy, sneaky change. Nothing gets deleted, nothing gets
hidden, nothing gets renamed. Only the Targets get changed. All the
XP stuff is still there, but now when you choose a defrag operation,
DK runs instead of dfrg.msc.

You can also go to Start, Run and enter dfrg.msc to always run the XP
defragmenter (or lots of programs).

If you want to use DK, go ahead! You can choose to not have it start
automatically and if it replaces dfrg.msc in your Tools Target, change
it back. Is there a "make this by default defragmenter" option
perhaps? Run DK whenever you feel the need. Some people swear by
DK. Some people swear at it.

Since I don't use DK, if somebody has it installed, they can check if
those options launch DK instead of dfrg.msc and check the Properties
to see if DK changed them. It is easy to make a change to run any
program you want when you choose Disk Defragmenter.

You can certainly have more than 1 browser installed and still use
IE. I prefer Firefox and you can make it your "default" browser so
every time you click a link it will run FF instead of IE, but you can
change it back anytime you want (but you probably won't want to make
IE your default anymore).

There are times you must run IE - not surprisingly, some Microsoft
pages don't work with Firefox, so I would never uninstall IE and
installing FF will leave IE just fine for when you need it.

Now I have to add defragmenter to my spelling dictionary.

Jose

I have Diskeeper. Even if you type dfrg.msc, or double click
dfrg.msc in system32, Diskeeper starts. The dfrg.msc file is
intact, but the call is redirected to Diskeeper at the registry
level. The reason for this, Diskeeper uses more advanced
defragmentation algorithms for better system performance,
and mixing in use of the XP defragmenter would interfere
with this.

 

[Raymond J. Johnson, Jr.]

You have answered another question
that I had about stopping the running
in the background. Thank you.

You could solve the problem altogether by not worrying about defragging.
In most cases, it doesn't help anything.