"Buffer Overrun? Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library"?!?

[BNILSSON]

Hi group.

I finally had to give up my Win98se.
I tried overinstalling with a WinME upgrade disk, that I received from
a good friend, but that did not work out well.

So, I finally purchased a WinXP system installation disk and have been
trying to install and set it up, in the last few days.
I have had several problems and have been formating the HDD and
reinstalling the WinXP program- several times (about half a dozen
times), with continues problems, that I finally got over last night. *I
thought!*

This AM. I turned on the PC and I could not boot up and it would stay
at "The window is staring up", but it would just sit there and I did
reboot/reset- several times
and then got this red flag message;

Heading; "Microsoft Visual C:++ Runtime Library;

Buffer overrun; Program\??\windows, system32, winlogon.exe.

"A Buffer overrun has been detected which has corrupted the program's
internal state. The program can not safely continue execution and must
now be terminated!
Now it will not go into the window

What did I screw up now!? and what can I do to correct this!?

Any help, comments, info or feed back is much appreciated!
Thank you.
BN

 

[John Doe]

Hi group.

I finally had to give up my Win98se.
I tried overinstalling with a WinME upgrade disk

Oh brother.

So, I finally purchased a WinXP system installation disk
Hmm.

I have had several problems and have been formating the HDD and
reinstalling the WinXP program- several times (about half a dozen
times), with continues problems,

If you cannot install Windows XP on a freshly formatted hard drive,
something low level is wrong. Might have to do with your BIOS
settings, or you might have a hardware problem.

 

[BNILSSON]

JD
The WinXP finally installed ok, as well as a lot of different programs
and Sp2. and it worked ok last night.
BUT, for some reason, it will not boot into Windows, given the "Warning"
as I stated!
I just like to know what exactly that "Warning" tells you and what can
be done.
I can't even get into Win. using "Safe Mode"!
BN

 

[Paul]

JD
The WinXP finally installed ok, as well as a lot of different programs
and Sp2. and it worked ok last night.
BUT, for some reason, it will not boot into Windows, given the "Warning"
as I stated!
I just like to know what exactly that "Warning" tells you and what can
be done.
I can't even get into Win. using "Safe Mode"!
BN

Now that you have your two 1GB sticks installed, have you run
memtest86+ from memtest.org ? There is no point booting an
OS, installing an OS, if the memory is getting errors. That
will ruin everything.

*******
(The original hardware configuration of this system, is here.)

(e-mail address removed)

http://groups.google.ba/group/alt.c...read/thread/00535d9a1320ef90/074fa4785b89c08a

KM4M-L KM400 chipset, two DIMM slots, PC2700 max, hopefully low density 1GB modules.
Duron 1.4GHz processor.

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=558
*******

I'd do a few complete passes of memtest86+, and see whether the memory
is throwing errors or not.

The BIOS has some adjustments for the memory, so there may be
a few things to try, if there is trouble.

Paul

 

[BNILSSON]

Hi Paul,- good to hear from you!

Yes, it's a new ball game now, with the WinXP installation, with the
2ea. 1GB RAM sticks installed.
And all new problems for me!
I should had purchased a NEW PC instead of trying to do something that
I'm not familiar with, but- maybe next year.

I also had a problem with the larger 160GB HDD I purchased with the ram
sticks from NewEgg, it would not even boot to load all the BIOS or
anything from the installation CD, so I had to RMA
that back for a replacement.

I have now loading the winXP on to my spare 40GB HDD and that is were my
new problem come in.

I have Memtest 86 V3.4 on a floppy and it's running right now- for about
1 hour.
I noticed that there are so many different Versions of it, so I don't
know if the one I have is any good or not?- what do you think, Paul?

I don't really know what I'm looking at on the screen, but, so far
there are no errors indicated.
I don't really know about all the "Descriptive/Info.- like;

L1 Cache 128K- 8582MB/s,

L2 Cache 64K - 3596MB/s,

Memory- 2016M 563MB/s

If that has any value or not? but as long as there is no indication of
errors I think that the ram sticks are OK?

Thanks again for all your help.
BN

 

[Paul]

Hi Paul,- good to hear from you!

Yes, it's a new ball game now, with the WinXP installation, with the
2ea. 1GB RAM sticks installed.
And all new problems for me!
I should had purchased a NEW PC instead of trying to do something that
I'm not familiar with, but- maybe next year.

I also had a problem with the larger 160GB HDD I purchased with the ram
sticks from NewEgg, it would not even boot to load all the BIOS or
anything from the installation CD, so I had to RMA
that back for a replacement.

I have now loading the winXP on to my spare 40GB HDD and that is were my
new problem come in.

I have Memtest 86 V3.4 on a floppy and it's running right now- for about
1 hour.
I noticed that there are so many different Versions of it, so I don't
know if the one I have is any good or not?- what do you think, Paul?

I don't really know what I'm looking at on the screen, but, so far
there are no errors indicated.
I don't really know about all the "Descriptive/Info.- like;

L1 Cache 128K- 8582MB/s,

L2 Cache 64K - 3596MB/s,

Memory- 2016M 563MB/s

If that has any value or not? but as long as there is no indication of
errors I think that the ram sticks are OK?

Thanks again for all your help.
BN

I guess I was hoping for an easy answer

I don't really want to "run you through the wringer" on this. Some
of the things I could suggest, might take you some amount of time
to set up, and there is no guarantee the results would be any better.

I see two possibilities.

1) Prove the individual components in your new setup, are all working
correctly. You might, for example, dig up a diagnostic program for
that brand of hard drive you're using. I have a Seagate
test floppy, I downloaded from their site. The "long test" would tell
you how good the drive was. Each brand may provide their own test.
Another thing to test, would be the ability to read the CD, in case
some of the files are coming off it corrupted. You haven't indicated
what your release of Windows is - it could be WinXP SP3, but there is
probably more than one CD of that in existence. I could run MD5SUM
on my CD, and give you the 5000 checksums of the files in the i386 folder.
That doesn't sound like much fun.

2) Go back to known good components. For example, your old RAM works,
and you didn't have any crashes or problems before, then perhaps
you could temporarily use that RAM again for some tests. WinXP can
easily run with 512MB, as I built a computer for a family member
with that much RAM in it a couple years ago. Try a reinstall,
using the old RAM.

I was hoping the WinXP CD has a build-in check, but I'm not seeing
anything to suggest they have that capability. My Linux CD for example,
has a media test option, so you can verify the files on the CD
are OK. Linux compares the computed checksums, against a checksum file,
as a way to verify the CD is OK and readable by the drive.

*******

If I run your error symptoms...

Buffer Overrun Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library winlogon

the post at the bottom of this thread, mentions the master/slave
nature of the hard drive setup. How have you jumpered the IDE
drive ? Are there two drives on the cable, one master, one slave ?
Is there one drive, mounted on the end connector, and set up
as master (or master only, for WD brand drives) ? The suggestion
here, is to check your setup and verify how you've jumpered it.
You can also use cable select on each drive, if you have an
80 wire cable hooked to it.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21...overrun-detectedcorrupted-program-internal-st

It could also be related to SuperAntiSpyware...

http://forums.superantispyware.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=14680

It could also be a malware problem, but so far, I don't see how
that would have happened.

This is what Visual C++ is checking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overrun

This can happen when poorly written code accepts
too large a data item. It is a technique used to "tip over" machines
via the Internet. As more Service Packs and security updates have
been added to WinXP, it has more protections for things like this,
but there are always people searching for new exploits. In Googling
the above terms, the buffer overrun is also associated with iexplore.exe.

I'm hoping this is just something silly, rather than malware. As
with malware, I'd want to understand how you go infected so quickly,
if that is what happened.

Paul

 

[BNILSSON]

Hi Paul.

Again, thanks for all that good info.!
That will keep me going.

I got the WinXP pro. with Sp2


I only have one HDD installed, with just one single cable, it's a 40gb.
*WD, that I had Win98se on, it is jumpered as Master and always was, and
right now, after being up all night putting it together, it is working
ok at this point. (knock on wood!)

The spare, a 40GB Maxtor- is what I first installed WinXP on and it was
working good at first- it did *not have any jumpers installed.
The next morning is when it would not boot and I got the "Overrun
Buffer" warning on.- I tried that one again with jumpers in the Master
location and with out any, but nothing did bring it back to life, that I
have tried. and the warning is still there and not booting to windows
and I could not get the WinXP to format it again and reinstall- I'll try
again today.

The new HDD I purchased from NewEgg, is a 160GB. and that one did not
do much- it would not even boot thru the BIOS, it stopped after the BIOS
drive info.- that one I sent back to NewEgg on a RMA.
Maybe there is something wrong with the BIOS?!- I don't know!

Paul, I know that this could be a very simple thing or it could be a big
thing, like you say, maybe some sneaky malware got in there,but I have
Avast and Super Anti Spyware installed and did run.
I also have Norton 2003 utility CD that I had run on that HDD, from the
CD- (I did not want to download it, because it is a "big one")
I feel sure that the 2x1GB RAM sticks are working ok, they are
recognized and they checked out ok in the Memtest?

I just hope that this last setup will stay ok and that I get a good
160GB HDD back from NewEgg and that will work ok for a new WinXP setup.

I know that there are several tests to try, but you have to know what
you are doing or it is just adding more frustrations on to the problem,
but when I have the time and mind set, I will check and try to learn
more about this stuff.

Paul, thanks again for sharing all your knowledge and PC know how with
me and the rest of the people here, that need some guidance and help.

I will be plugging at it and if it gets to be too much, I hope I can
call on you for more of your help, again.
BN

 

[Paul]

Hi Paul.

Again, thanks for all that good info.!
That will keep me going.

I got the WinXP pro. with Sp2


I only have one HDD installed, with just one single cable, it's a 40gb.
*WD, that I had Win98se on, it is jumpered as Master and always was, and
right now, after being up all night putting it together, it is working
ok at this point. (knock on wood!)

The spare, a 40GB Maxtor- is what I first installed WinXP on and it was
working good at first- it did *not have any jumpers installed.
The next morning is when it would not boot and I got the "Overrun
Buffer" warning on.- I tried that one again with jumpers in the Master
location and with out any, but nothing did bring it back to life, that I
have tried. and the warning is still there and not booting to windows
and I could not get the WinXP to format it again and reinstall- I'll try
again today.

The new HDD I purchased from NewEgg, is a 160GB. and that one did not
do much- it would not even boot thru the BIOS, it stopped after the BIOS
drive info.- that one I sent back to NewEgg on a RMA.
Maybe there is something wrong with the BIOS?!- I don't know!

Paul, I know that this could be a very simple thing or it could be a big
thing, like you say, maybe some sneaky malware got in there,but I have
Avast and Super Anti Spyware installed and did run.
I also have Norton 2003 utility CD that I had run on that HDD, from the
CD- (I did not want to download it, because it is a "big one")
I feel sure that the 2x1GB RAM sticks are working ok, they are
recognized and they checked out ok in the Memtest?

I just hope that this last setup will stay ok and that I get a good
160GB HDD back from NewEgg and that will work ok for a new WinXP setup.

I know that there are several tests to try, but you have to know what
you are doing or it is just adding more frustrations on to the problem,
but when I have the time and mind set, I will check and try to learn
more about this stuff.

Paul, thanks again for sharing all your knowledge and PC know how with
me and the rest of the people here, that need some guidance and help.

I will be plugging at it and if it gets to be too much, I hope I can
call on you for more of your help, again.
BN

Try the 40GB disk by itself on the cable. Use the end connector.
Jumper as master. Try your install again. (If you have two cables,
the CDROM can be on the other cable.)

If you have two drives on the same cable, one is Master and the
other one is Slave. They can't both be master.

Paul

 

[BNILSSON]

Paul.

I have one CDROM (D drive) and ONE HDD (the 40GB) on one cable (the HDD
at the end of the cable) and it has always been this setup and the HDD
jumpered as Master (C drive). I never had his problem until I installed
WinXP.

There is something very wrong here, that don't make any sense!

I had everything running just fine after the first installation, until
the next day, when I turned it back on, then everything seamed to go
wrong! I could not get into windows!
I could not get a repeat choice to Format the HDD again, (witch is what
I need to do, to start over again, on that #1 HDD! when I booted up
again, using the WinXP installation CD, trying to get a Format.
I got in to dos trying to get a Format there, but that did not work
ether!!?
Nothing s working right, for what ever reason!?

As I told you, I'm running on my spare HDD that I made my second install
on and that is now, also acting strange, with stalls, taking forever to
shut down and start up and it just shut down and come back on, asking if
I want to go back to a earlier date for a recovery setup!? and I did and
I'm now getting warnings about not being protected because the security
is not up to date!
Maybe I now have viruses or some whole damn "epidemic"

I am constantly getting a flag telling me that I have installed a NEW
Program!? every time I boot up!- I have NOT installed a new program! and
there us nothing added in the program index!!- could that maybe indicate
that something/someone is getting in to my PC?!- just a though?! it is a
new one on me.
The system just shut down and when I tried to restart and boot from the
WinXP CD, it gave me a black screen with;
"Line 8722 of the inf. file \138\text setup.sif is invalid"- "Setup can
not continue . Press any key to exit."

That is all I get now!! can't go anyplace else any more!

I never had this many and new problems with the Win98se!
Thank god I still have the Webtv- maybe that's what I should stay with!?

Paul, how can I get these two HDDs formated so I can start over again!"

If you have any ideas as to what strange things are going on- run it by
me!

I know it must be getting frustrating for you to read all this, from
me!
Thanks again for your help.
BN

 

[Paul]

Paul.

I have one CDROM (D drive) and ONE HDD (the 40GB) on one cable (the HDD
at the end of the cable) and it has always been this setup and the HDD
jumpered as Master (C drive). I never had his problem until I installed
WinXP.

There is something very wrong here, that don't make any sense!

I had everything running just fine after the first installation, until
the next day, when I turned it back on, then everything seamed to go
wrong! I could not get into windows!
I could not get a repeat choice to Format the HDD again, (witch is what
I need to do, to start over again, on that #1 HDD! when I booted up
again, using the WinXP installation CD, trying to get a Format.
I got in to dos trying to get a Format there, but that did not work
ether!!?
Nothing s working right, for what ever reason!?

As I told you, I'm running on my spare HDD that I made my second install
on and that is now, also acting strange, with stalls, taking forever to
shut down and start up and it just shut down and come back on, asking if
I want to go back to a earlier date for a recovery setup!? and I did and
I'm now getting warnings about not being protected because the security
is not up to date!
Maybe I now have viruses or some whole damn "epidemic"

I am constantly getting a flag telling me that I have installed a NEW
Program!? every time I boot up!- I have NOT installed a new program! and
there us nothing added in the program index!!- could that maybe indicate
that something/someone is getting in to my PC?!- just a though?! it is a
new one on me.
The system just shut down and when I tried to restart and boot from the
WinXP CD, it gave me a black screen with;
"Line 8722 of the inf. file \138\text setup.sif is invalid"- "Setup can
not continue . Press any key to exit."

That is all I get now!! can't go anyplace else any more!

I never had this many and new problems with the Win98se!
Thank god I still have the Webtv- maybe that's what I should stay with!?

Paul, how can I get these two HDDs formated so I can start over again!"

If you have any ideas as to what strange things are going on- run it by
me!

I know it must be getting frustrating for you to read all this, from
me!
Thanks again for your help.
BN

Everyone has a meltdown, once in a while. I had one computer, where
I replaced practically everything in it. So sometimes these things
happen.

To erase a disk, you can use DBAN (Darik's Boot and Nuke). You only
want disks that are to be erased, connected to the computer when you
run it. Use the "quick erase" option, so it won't do multiple passes.

http://www.dban.org/

I use a Linux CD for Windows maintenance, and it gives me access to
FAT32 or NTFS partitions. So I can do a few things there. I can
also watch the Linux boot messages, and see how things are going. If
the computer is not stable, the boot sequence will start showing
errors.

Are you using the old RAM now ? Switch back to the old RAM.

Sometimes, the disk manufacturer has utilities you can use.
For example, SeatoolsForDOS can erase the drive. It can
also test the disk. But it is mainly intended for a Seagate
drive, and I don't know what it would do if only some other
brand was in use.

http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/SeaToolsDOSguide.pdf

I hope these problems are not coming from bad RAM...

What I was taught at work, is an "onion skin" approach to test.
You test a bit of hardware at a time, building up a list of
stuff that is working. I might test RAM, CPU+RAM, and then
do some disk tests or CD tests. By proving some of the hardware
first, you can tick that off the list when you see issues later.
Right now, I don't really have a feeling what subsystem is
having trouble in your computer. My training would force me
to go back to the basics.

One problem, is not every test I'd like to run, is available
as a free program for download. So the test suite is not
complete. Sometimes, a prebuilt computer comes with its own
test or diagnostic package, and it has better coverage than
something I could cook up.

I used to write my own test programs, for the hardware I worked
on, but those days are long gone

Good luck,
Paul

 

[BNILSSON]

Paul

I can't even get into the Window screens!
WOW- I no longer have a PC, so I can't get anything done, from the
internet!
And my Webtv is not much help there!

I have a HDD that I have Win98se installed on and I installed that as
well as the 512 MB ram stick and booted. All I got was same statement
that there was no HDD detected.
I tried three different cables and tried to boot from both the master
and the slave sides (witch, btw. is what I also tried with the WinXP
HDDs and on one of them it went as far as to give me the same warning as
I have sated in the header of this tread, the second HDD did not get
that far- there also got a message (one of many) that there were no HDD
found!
Keep in mind- Both these HDDs was OK when I first installed WinXP on
both of them!! Then it all went down the tube- for some unknown reason!

To go back to the Win98se installation. I installed the Installation CD
to boot from there, but when I got in to DOS and asked for SETUP, I got
a message telling me;
"Enter correct name of command interpreter"! and that same message I
got, no mater what I put in there! and then I was asked to press F3 to
exit.

That is it, as far as my goes! I now can't even use my Win98se setup!!

So, Paul- at this point I have no more will to screw around with this
PC! It has been going from a small problem to a very BIG one! something
must be really corrupt or maybe it is just a small thing that is really
screwing things up, that we just cant put the finger on.
Well Paul, I'm going to try to not think about this PC, for now, and
try to get some sleep.
Good night.
BN

 

[Paul]

Paul

I can't even get into the Window screens!
WOW- I no longer have a PC, so I can't get anything done, from the
internet!
And my Webtv is not much help there!

I have a HDD that I have Win98se installed on and I installed that as
well as the 512 MB ram stick and booted. All I got was same statement
that there was no HDD detected.
I tried three different cables and tried to boot from both the master
and the slave sides (witch, btw. is what I also tried with the WinXP
HDDs and on one of them it went as far as to give me the same warning as
I have sated in the header of this tread, the second HDD did not get
that far- there also got a message (one of many) that there were no HDD
found!
Keep in mind- Both these HDDs was OK when I first installed WinXP on
both of them!! Then it all went down the tube- for some unknown reason!

To go back to the Win98se installation. I installed the Installation CD
to boot from there, but when I got in to DOS and asked for SETUP, I got
a message telling me;
"Enter correct name of command interpreter"! and that same message I
got, no mater what I put in there! and then I was asked to press F3 to
exit.

That is it, as far as my goes! I now can't even use my Win98se setup!!

So, Paul- at this point I have no more will to screw around with this
PC! It has been going from a small problem to a very BIG one! something
must be really corrupt or maybe it is just a small thing that is really
screwing things up, that we just cant put the finger on.
Well Paul, I'm going to try to not think about this PC, for now, and
try to get some sleep.
Good night.
BN

Sleep is good

Memtest86+ first. See if you can do two passes error free.

Depending on the brand of the hard drive, download a diagnostic
from the web site and run it. See what the diagnostic thinks.
Perhaps the hard drive cable has gone flaky. Or some setting
changed in the BIOS, which has upset things.

When one computer breaks, you'll need a second computer to help
you prepare tools and diagnostics. I've actually managed to
break two computers while fooling around, and needed a third to
bail me out. But I didn't panic. I like a challenge.

Paul

 

[BNILSSON]

Yes, it would be good to have a second PC right now, BUT, I don't.

Do you know of any DOS commands that I can use and check for and
eliminate any virus from there?
I have a feeling I picked one up, that is making my HDDs invisible or
hard to detect or maybe screwed with my BIOS, as you pointed out.
If you look back on my descriptions, from the start, you can see that a
virus can do tis to your system- it can hide the "C" drive and that
looks like my big problem and why it can't be recognized to load in to
the windows.

As I told you, I tried three different cables and eliminated the CDROM,
changed the jumpers around in all possible ways, but, from the start,
noting ad been moved or played around with, but things still started to
go bananas.

The only thing I can play with now, are the DOS commands, if you know
of any that can help this situation, let me know.

I run the Memtest86 V3.4, a few hours ago, again, and they all checked
out ok.

No, I never panic, I just get tired and frustrated when I can't fix
something right, after several very, very long days and nights of
trying!-
Well, let me try again and get some very much needed sleep.
BN

 

[Paul]

Yes, it would be good to have a second PC right now, BUT, I don't.

Oh oh...

I would have suggested a slightly different approach to your
OS installation journey, if I'd known that.

When I install OSes, I *unplug* the other hard drives, and
install to a new or spare drive. (Hard drives are available for
as little as $40.) For example, I have one drive here with WinXP.
I have a second drive with Win2K. Using the BIOS hard drive boot
menu, I can select to boot from either of them.

Why is this a benefit ?

Imagine if one of the hard drives dies. I still have
the second one to boot from. I can still reach the
Internet. I can still download software. That is
called "being able to bootstrap yourself out of
trouble".

Your problem right now, is getting *some* environment
to work in, so you can make progress.

In the Windows world, there are things like "BartPE",
which is a kind of Live version of Windows. You make
it from your Windows installer CD. But to do that,
you also need a working Windows environment in the
first place.

This is the best I can do as a substitute. I looked
to our good friends at Walmart, to see if they have
something that could boot the computer.

"Linux Bible, 2008 Edition: Boot up to Ubuntu, Fedora,
KNOPPIX, Debian, openSUSE, and 11 Other Distributions (Paperback) $30.23
ISBN-13: 9780470230190 "

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0470230193...e=380333&creativeASIN=0470230193&linkCode=asn

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8002710&findingMethod=rr#

I'm hoping, what that would give up, is *some* OS to boot into.
I don't know the details of what is included on the CD or
DVD. The idea is, OSes like "Knoppix" are Live OSes,
which run directly from the CD or DVD drive. In this
case, preferably, you'd want your drive to be DVD capable,
so you could use the included DVD. It has more OS
choices on it.

Once Knoppix is running, you can use a web browser from
within that environment. With say, version 5.3.1 of
Knoppix, you have CD burning software, so you can
burn another CD if you need to. And so on. That
would be a potential method to bootstrap yourself.

Other than that, you're going to need the services
of a local computer geek, to figure out what
went wrong.

Back when I had one computer, I needed to use the
services of a computer at work, when I got in trouble.

The machines at my local library seem to be pretty useless
for bootstrapping busted equipment at home. Very few I/O
options on the library machines, so if I needed to make
rescue media, that wouldn't be an option. The library
machines are "bolted down" too good.

Paul