Dave said:No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.
I suggest you move to Linux today. You'll need the head start, because
it will take you and your family about 4 years to get up to speed on
Linux. Your children can teach you how to compile the kernel and its
updates. They can scout around for all the drivers for you, because you
don't have time. Your wife can teach you the command line interface, so
you can get it to do anything you want. You can teach them how to type
all the various commands for building up the IP stack and enabling the
IP firewall config files. All of you can work together to scout all the
various web sites in order to discover the dozens of security patches
that you will need to find each year - and then you can all work
together to learn how to install them. Then you can PURCHASE technical
support contracts from Red Hat or IBM, because there's so little open
discussion on the Internet about how a LAYMAN can maintain his or her
own system, and because so much of what is out there is written way over
your head.
And don't count on any of your friends for support, because none of them
has ever even seen Linux. They don't even know how to pronounce it.
And don't call your ISP for support or setup of your Internet connection
or your email application, because they don't support any of the Linux
desktop UIs.
And while you're learning how to install and configure Linux, accumulate
all that free (and highly reliable) software, and install and configure
it all, the next Windows operating system will have been released by
Microsoft, and the rest of the world will have moved on. And, we, the
mindless sheep, will finally be under total mind control by Microsoft,
and Bill Gates will use us all to finally achieve his life's ambition of
making us all play solitaire for the rest of our hopeless lives.
Those are your only options. Good luck.
-- Dave
Dave said:Upgrading a computer does not qualify as a transfer of the license.
<snip>Please read the EULA more carefully.
Most of the people in this newsgroup are not sufficiently technically
sophisticated enough to be taken by Microsoft as serious beta testers.
Simply figuring out how to get a beta copy of Windows Vista does not
make one a beta tester. One may be a self-proclaimed enthusiast -
meaning you like to install and re-install and tinker around with
Windows. But the complaints about how many times people need to
reinstall Windows over the course of a few years' time is really about
an inability to troubleshoot problems - so you reload Windows.
Re-installing your operating system on a computer with a new mobo is not
a transfer of the license. The guys who make the most wild-eyed ravings
about Microsoft the totalitarian world dominator don't know how to read
and interpret the EULA (most of them haven't even read the EULA - they
just like imagining horrible things and ranting in public), leave alone
understanding what a beta test program is or how to setup, prepare for,
and respond to a beta test. Those people are tinkerers and curiosity
seekers.
Re-read the posts in this newsgroup. Tinkerers and curiosity seekers.
-- Dave
<snip>Dave said:What you would do is call the Microsoft clearinghouse and explain your
circumstance to the operator, who would help you activate your license.
Total time < 10 min.
I've had to do it twice, with Win2K and with Office XP. It's quick and
easy. That procedure's essentially the same for Vista.
-- Dave
Dave said:Actually, Jon, we were talking about upgrades. Of course you can
transfer and install on a new PC (unless it's an OEM license, in which
case you can not). That was't the issue.
-- Dave
ML said:MS considers a VOLUNTARY motherboard replacement (not due to hardware
failures) a NEW COMPUTER. It is stated in Licensing FAQ for system builders
for XP on MS website. And their interpretation of this has not changed or
at least not written anywhere in their website.
So in short, yes, MS does consider a motherboard replacement not due to
hardware failures (which we call upgrade) a new machine.
John said:One third party transfer. Unlimited internal transfers
John said:Microsoft has made it clear that they consider the mobo the key component.
Replace a defective mobo, okay, otherwise new mobo = new computer.
Wake said:At what point does an upgrade become a transfer? What if I want to
"upgrade" everything except a case screw on my machine? At what point
does the old computer cease to be the same old computer and become the
new computer?
Alias~- said:For XP, MS doesn't really say in the EULA. I have upgraded the
motherboard twice on one computer and upgraded it's NIC, Processor,
Video Card, Sound Card, Power Supply, Floppy ROM, DVD ROM, RAM, Keyboard
and Mouse. It's running a copy of a generic OEM XP Home. The only things
left are the case, the power cord, the monitor, two case fans and the
hard drive and it activated on line no sweat. I was careful to follow
MS' instructions on upgrading and waited more than 120 days before
performing the upgrades and reinstalling Windows though.
What the story will be with Vista won't be known until it's finally
released, although even if the Vista EULA is *exactly* like the XP EULA
or, even if it's better, like allowing you to install one copy onto
three computers (as if!), I will wait until Vista SP2 comes out before
taking the plunge.
Alias
John said:Don't know of any place for anything but the OEM licenses which used to have
the sellers of generic OEM tell the customer that they were subject to the
System Builders License, now I understand the system builder tie is on the
single packs. The system builder area is where the motherboard is covered.
Jon Acord said:If the Corporate Monsters who run Microsoft are going to fill Vista full
of
spyware we should not support this as a whole. The so called EULA is
disturbing. I will not support it. My family will not as well. We are
real
people. Not a souless, corporate entity that does not think or feel like
Microsoft. The Eula essentially means if I 'purchase a licsence' I can
only
install it twice. So, if my PC dies twice, this means I have to purchase
a
new copy of vista? Not happening. I will go to Linux I swear. What the
pinheads at Microsoft are not getting, is that anyone who purchases a
Vista
License should only be able to use it on one PC at a time. A unique
hardware
key is assigned. If it is installed on a new PC the old ID should be
cancelled in the system. Why not make people login to a site and actually
activate the new key themselves, with their unique login. There is a
program
called Alcohol 120% that does this. The install is only good for one PC.
If I choose to reinstall 100 times, as long as it is one PC it should be
my
decision. As of this writing I am urging everyone to not buy or support
Windows vista. Let Microsoft know how we feel about their unfriendly,
unwholesome, business practices.
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