Boycott Vista

[Alias~-]

Exactly what part don't you understand

By purchasing this product, you agree to adhere to the

Not in the country where I buy them. No mention of system builders
during any part of the sale, on any retailer's web site or the
packaging. I cannot be expected to research Microsoft's web site before
making a purchase. Again, it must be a U.S. thing because it ain't
happening here.

Alias

 

[Alias~-]

Difficult also?


"What is a System Builder? A System Builder (SB) is anyone who assembles,

Funny, you snipped this part:

"Microsoft
OEM System Builder products are designed to make it easy for System
Builders
to acquire and distribute genuine Microsoft software with the systems they
build and sell. By purchasing this product, you agree to adhere to the
System Builder license from Microsoft."

Key words, sigh, "build *and* sell".

Alias

 

[Alias~-]

Exactly what part don't you understand

By purchasing this product, you agree to adhere to the

Read the systems builder license (I just did). It's for people who build
and SELL computers, not enthusiasts or people who just build their own
computers.

This subject is closed as far as I'm concerned and I'll be damned if I
will put my Product Key on the outside of my case in a prominent
location! It's safely put away.

Alias

 

[John Barnes]

Just two questions.
A who is bit-tech - never heard of them
B. Why is their source some unnamed Microsoft spokesman form the Licensing
Dept

I also have heard that the HDD that windows is installed on would be the
highest point component for determining activation. I see mostly
speculation not actual info and from an unnamed person.

 

[Alias~-]

Proof that the system builder agreement is on the single pack - picture of
back of pack via Newegg click on picture of back of package

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowI...SP2b+English+1pk+DSP+OEI+CD+w/Upg+Cpn +-+OEM

Which would, of course, apply to all the system builders that buy it and
turn around and sell it with a computer, not the end users that build
their own computers. Be real, man. Read the license.

http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/Public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

It's obvious that it's intended for people that build and sell
computers, not end users.

Alias

 

[WUASTC]

Your source is a suposed quoting an unnamed maybe.

Oh yeah because MVPs don't know their head from a hole in the ground
when it comes to MS products, right?

Perhaps something
driectly from the Microsoft site means something, don't get lost in the
academic but look at the OEM
Incidentally someone who has to resort to ad hominem attacks isn't worth
bothering with. If Google is a better source for you than Microsoft then
enjoy living in ignorance. You can google even more discussions

http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc

If you think that MS is the only authoritative source, then MS has you
brainwashed already. You have made it clear that you would rather take
the word of a big, mighty , souless corporation that has already been
charged with violating multiple anti-trust laws throughout the world
than any 3rd party source which is most likely less biased and has
nothing to gainfrom the information they give.

A vendor who sells Microsoft OEM products. If you can read please note the
section What is a System Builder? Read the whole section if you can. Adios

http://www.directron.com/winxppro.html

OK, this is one vendor you have provided that states that the buyer is
held to the SB license. You yourself stated that not all of them do
state that, so it holds no water. If that was a requirement of MS for
any vendor who sold their OEM software, you better bet they would
enforce it.

What is a System Builder? A System Builder (SB) is anyone who assembles,
reassembles or installs software on a new or used computer system.

This definition implies anyone who likes to upgrade their computer
hardware. So is that who this license applies to?

Microsoft
OEM System Builder products are designed to make it easy for System Builders
to acquire and distribute genuine Microsoft software with the systems they
build and sell.

Build AND SELL

 

[Jerry P]

OMG..........John that's to stupid to answer............

 

[WUASTC]

See reply below to your ad hominem rant.
http://www.directron.com/winxppro.html

LOL! While we may have a difference of opinion on licensing here, it is
interesting that your reply is an ad hominem reply falsely labeling my
polite response as an 'ad hominem rant'. You are only showing yourself
to be an ad hominem hypocrate.

 

[Jerry P]

John, you're not a gamer. My two kids in college told me of this place .

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/26/Microsoft_clarifies_Vista_activation_to_bit-tech/

 

[Jerry P]

Stop crying all of you. Bottom line is buy it or don't buy it.

 

[John Barnes]

Now I agree with that. And you can also say follow the license agreement or
see what you can get away with.
I do wonder why they didn't give a name to the Microsoft source.

 

[John Barnes]

Oh yeah because MVPs don't know their head from a hole in the ground when
it comes to MS products, right?

I also am an MVP, but that doesn't make me a god nor do I see the need to
broadcast it.

 

[Jerry P]

What difference does make. Do you think a company would make a statement
with any proof of it. MS would be on them like (....)

 

[WUASTC]

I also am an MVP, but that doesn't make me a god nor do I see the need to
broadcast it.

If you don't take the word of other MVPs seriously, why should I take
what you say seriously?

 

[xfile]

I'd like to take the news seriously, but to answer your question:

That makes the general public feels the company, at least, is in hesitation
if not testing the feedback.

It's kind of like this - let's try this and that and see how things are
going and then making adjustments accordingly until we can accept the final
outcome and then let's officially announce it through all available
channels.

I will wait until more sources are confirmed for the same and then take it
as an official announcement.

 

[David Wilkinson]

Read real close.............this should kill this thread.......

Microsoft today talked to bit-tech in a bid to reassure the enthusiast
community about the licensing terms of Windows Vista.

We previously read that Vista could prove to be a nightmare for
enthusiasts who upgrade often, with only one transfer to a new machine
allowed and with the license tied to a particular system configuration
in a way that was far more limiting than Windows XP.

A Microsoft spokesman from the Licensing Dept told bit-tech that this
would not be the case. He told us that Windows Vista will not require a
system re-activation unless the hard drive and one other component is
changed. This means that enthusiasts will be able to swap CPUs, memory
and graphics cards out without any worry about having to re-activate
with MS, either on the internet or by phone.

Should you change the hard drive and another piece of hardware - for
example for a major upgrade such as a motherboard change that requires a
re-installation - Microsoft will allow you to re-activate up to 10
times. You will not, however, be able to have more than one machine
activated concurrently.

Should you wish to activate more than 10 times, you could be busted, or
Microsoft could choose to let you activate again at its discretion.

For hardcore system enthusiasts, keeping a ghosted, activated copy of
Vista with no drivers could be a good way of being able to swap around
components and machines with the minimum amount of hassle.

This would seem to clear up some of the confusion about Vista
activation. Let us know what you will be doing over in the forums!


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Jerry:

I think we are losing the main point here. Whatever MS now says, the XP
retail license was always understood to allow unlimited transfers by the
original owner without any discussion of what constituted a new system.
The only requirement was that it was only installed on one machine at a
time. That is why many people, including myself, purchased retail licenses.

Case in point: a couple of years ago I put retail copies of XP Pro on
the two aging laptops in my house: a Pentium 2 running NT, and a Pentium
3 running Me. Would I have done this if I didn't believe that I could
transfer these licenses to new computers in the future? Almost certainly
not. Two sales lost (or at least delayed) for Microsoft.

The new Vista retail license limits to one the number of transfers to a
new machine. So except for this one transfer, you are embroiled in the
same arguments about what constitutes a new computer as previously
existed for the OEM license. It does not seem to me that these "new
computer" rules are greatly changed from XP. For me the point is that
for the XP retail license they were irrelevant, while for Vista retail
they are not.

David Wilkinson

 

[deebs]

Well, I suppose it is fair, free and an excellent opportunity to demonstrate
freedome of thought speach and to coice those opinions (some people may not
realise just how precious those properties are?)

Some fears have been expressed and that is good.

I'd like to express some hope:

- that an OS really should not last 8 years

- as soon as the brilliant minds at intel/AMD/MSI and so forth and the like
bring out new hardware that the OS providers (mostly Microsoft?) let their
equally brilliant minds come up with either a new OS altogether OR a tweak
to the OS that significantly adapts to changes in hardware.

In other words, for the fast pace of evolution in electronics
hardware/software to become even faster, swifter implemented and available
as and when.

8 years is a really, really long time in hardware and software terms.

Picking up the pace seems, to me, to be important.

Boycott Vista? Uh-huh - no chance

 

[none]

Wow that was some well written Windows bashing. Because of this article I
am going to tell all my friends to avoid Windows at all cost. I'm going to
also advise that they invest in the auto industry. That's right if you buy
20 cars now in 100 years they will have gone up in value. You won't be able
to take advantage of it but your great, great, great grand children will
love your investment.

Oops. I just broke an internet etiquette law. No sarcasm allowed. Why do
people continue to bash Windows when they have accomplished so much. They
have done more for computers then most computers. What these people have
forgotten is that everyone loves to hate something. If it's not Windows
then it will be Linux and if it's not Linux then it would be Apple. In
todays world anyone who is in power is inevitably going to be bashed. So
why are these guys doing it?

I'm a proud user of Microsoft but am smart enough not to try and spread my
propoganda. I have used Linux and I don't find Linux to be a good alternate
for a computer user. I have also used the apple Macintosh systems and I
would say that for the average computer user this is a great Operating
System. If you wanted a healthy alternative to Microsoft then Apple is a
good way to go.

The message I am trying to deliver here, Don't listen to the hate mongrolls
out there. Try them both out and I think you will find that Windows will
come out on top.

 

[skon]

Well said. Don't listen to hate mongers on either side of the fence. I've
used both and feel that they balance each other in the market. I've worked
on both doing graphic design. Yes the Mac was designed with this in mind
that's why a lot of people cling to it. And yes Windows is SLIGHTLY (and
most crashes are due to inexperienced users) more prone to crashes. The way
they balance each other is that the Mac cost's way more to do the same task.
Yes my Windows based system will need a faster clock speed and more ram to
operate at the same level of efficiency in Photoshop etc. but it will also
cost a lot less. So you go with whichever you think is best and you can
budget. Due to the fact that I operated a business in an economically
depressed area and thus had to charge less I saved a huge chunk of my
capital for other operating expenses by going with Windows and building my
own systems. Latter on I had a mixed environment because I could afford it
and because some employees were educated on Mac's only. They are both great
OS's. Mac's are a premium product and Windows systems are the workhorses of
the business world. Why people have this great need to fight and become
militant over something so trivial as what OS a person chooses to use is
beyond me. It's almost become another form of prejudice. Like arguing and
hating people because they are a different color, nationality, speak another
language, or have a different religion. In that aspect those that argue the
most seem to fit in the the last category "religious fanatics".

Regards,
Skon

 

[Guest]

Windows Vista does not like to be upgraded! If you have installed Windows
Vista over top of windows XP you are going to have a problem. For some
reason all of the functionality does not copy over correctly. The only way I
have found is to reinstall Windows Vista at as a fresh copy if you want to
forgo any problems. Windows Vista is a great product that just needs to be
installed correctly! I know this seems like a lot of work but it is worth it.
Good luck, Ned Tomarchio