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Steve de Mena
Alias~- said:
That EULA I don't think covers any versions of
Vista which are pre-installed on PCs, and which
allow zero transfers. That is roughly 90% of the
market, so all this discussion only affects 10% of
Vista users.
Steve
That EULA I don't think covers any versions of
Vista which are pre-installed on PCs, and which
allow zero transfers. That is roughly 90% of the
market, so all this discussion only affects 10% of
Vista users.
Steve
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Alias~-
Steve said:
The word "motherboard" is not in any of my EULAs so there is no need to
have an interpretation. Nor is there anything in any of my EULAs that
says I have to periodically search the MS web site for any retroactive
changes.
Can you substantiate this? Is there a list of hardware changes put out
by MS that will trigger activation like they put out for XP? If changing
the motherboard will require a new copy of Vista, well, Hasta La Vista
and hello Ubuntu.
Alias
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Alias~-
Steve said:
The answer is "you don't know". If you can provide some substantiation
of this claim, that would be great.
Alias
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Steve de Mena
Alias~- said:
No, they won't release the exact algorithms.
Steve
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Alias~-
Steve said:
Of course not, we were -- I thought -- speaking of the XP EULA.
90% of the USA market. In Europe, white boxes are a lot more common.
Then, again, Europe didn't vote for Bush either. And the 10% in the USA
that you're referring to are usually BETA testers for Microsoft, which
is not too cool on the part of MS to bite their nose to spite their face
because those same people are more qualified to switch over to Linux.
That said, being as Vista will probably be MS' last OS, they don't give
a sh*t about the BETA testers anymore. All they care about is milking
every penny they can out of Vista and this new policy is proof of that.
Alias
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Alias~-
Steve said:
Then you don't know if Vista is less likely to trigger a re-activation
than it was with XP and you're just making it up as you go along?
Alias
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John Barnes
You do know that with
reports, changing the HDD that Vista is installed on has the most weight in
the algorithm
The only announcement I have seen makes it more likely for me. According to
reports, changing the HDD that Vista is installed on has the most weight in
the algorithm
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SESSION_EVENT
Steve:
I'm in that 10%. It affects me. I assemble my own PCs according to the parts
I choose. Many people don't .. but then many people never get much beyond
emailing their friends jokes and recipies. So what? Computer enthusiasts, on
the other hand, - a very diverse group by the way - are those who drive the
industry, innovate and program. They also often build their own. And buy
the high end stuff. In my opinion, we are being hurt by these new terms.
So that 10% you cite also tend to be the ten percent more interested in
computers. More likely to be aware there is a change in the EULA and know
what that change is.
That 10% numbers in the millions.
In my opinion, it is an important ten percent. The head is only 10% of the
body, but it directs where it goes. Your **** is only 1 to 2 % of the body
but responsible for half the fun. And so on ..
Only ten percent you say .. yeah .. but which ten percent?
I'm in that 10%. It affects me. I assemble my own PCs according to the parts
I choose. Many people don't .. but then many people never get much beyond
emailing their friends jokes and recipies. So what? Computer enthusiasts, on
the other hand, - a very diverse group by the way - are those who drive the
industry, innovate and program. They also often build their own. And buy
the high end stuff. In my opinion, we are being hurt by these new terms.
So that 10% you cite also tend to be the ten percent more interested in
computers. More likely to be aware there is a change in the EULA and know
what that change is.
That 10% numbers in the millions.
In my opinion, it is an important ten percent. The head is only 10% of the
body, but it directs where it goes. Your **** is only 1 to 2 % of the body
but responsible for half the fun. And so on ..
Only ten percent you say .. yeah .. but which ten percent?
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Guest
confused what is linux
wannabe tekkie lol
wannabe tekkie lol
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SESSION_EVENT
Linux is the 0.0002 % "competition" that proves the Microsoft Windows is not
a monopoly.
It is an operating system that runs on i386 and x64 computers. It is "open"
software in that the source code is published for all to see. It is
distributed with the GNU General Public License. It is not UNIX although in
many ways it mimics UNIX. It is distributed by numerous companies and
groups. There are hundreds of versions
The most professional distribution of Linux is from RedHat.
It tends to be used on computers performing "server" and experimental
duties, such as databases, web servers and supercomputers. However, it is
occasionally seen on desktops.
It generally a robust operating system. Much more so than Windows 98 was,
but only marginally so - if at all - than Windows NT 5 and up. As a matter
of fact, Windows 2000 can achieve remarkable uptimes.
Linux is an extremely configurable operating system. It is perfectly
legitmate and certainly possible - should you have the know-how - to rewrite
and recompile Linux to suit your or your company's taste.
But because Linix is open source and because of the licensing, it is not a
robust consumer item. And the software created for it tends to follow the
same pattern. Retailers can't make money selling copies of Linux and Linux
software as it is available for free. So retailers do not stock it. This
means Microsoft Windows and the retail software that runs on it, which are
sellable, dominate the retail market for operating systems and software.
Also no one is "reponsible" for Linux. Although Linux advocates claim
patching is quick etc. etc. in the real world, according to recent studies
(where's my cite?) Microsoft tend to be quicker and more thorough in
patching critical vulnerabilites to the Windows "operating system kernel"
than the Linux community is to the Linux OS kernel.
Also Microsoft is more customer/user aware in that it babies the customer.
With Linux, the user is often left to compile his or her own .. you can
imagine.
a monopoly.
It is an operating system that runs on i386 and x64 computers. It is "open"
software in that the source code is published for all to see. It is
distributed with the GNU General Public License. It is not UNIX although in
many ways it mimics UNIX. It is distributed by numerous companies and
groups. There are hundreds of versions
The most professional distribution of Linux is from RedHat.
It tends to be used on computers performing "server" and experimental
duties, such as databases, web servers and supercomputers. However, it is
occasionally seen on desktops.
It generally a robust operating system. Much more so than Windows 98 was,
but only marginally so - if at all - than Windows NT 5 and up. As a matter
of fact, Windows 2000 can achieve remarkable uptimes.
Linux is an extremely configurable operating system. It is perfectly
legitmate and certainly possible - should you have the know-how - to rewrite
and recompile Linux to suit your or your company's taste.
But because Linix is open source and because of the licensing, it is not a
robust consumer item. And the software created for it tends to follow the
same pattern. Retailers can't make money selling copies of Linux and Linux
software as it is available for free. So retailers do not stock it. This
means Microsoft Windows and the retail software that runs on it, which are
sellable, dominate the retail market for operating systems and software.
Also no one is "reponsible" for Linux. Although Linux advocates claim
patching is quick etc. etc. in the real world, according to recent studies
(where's my cite?) Microsoft tend to be quicker and more thorough in
patching critical vulnerabilites to the Windows "operating system kernel"
than the Linux community is to the Linux OS kernel.
Also Microsoft is more customer/user aware in that it babies the customer.
With Linux, the user is often left to compile his or her own .. you can
imagine.
X
xfile
Very accurate and objective descriptions on Linux which is why Windows is
nearly a monopoly.
nearly a monopoly.
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Guest
Quotes from ‘The Matrix’ 1999
Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it
in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy, and delicious.
After nine years, you know what I realise? Ignorance is bliss.
Microsoft is telling us according to the EULA that we do not own the
software. We have very few rights.
I want everyone to check out this link: in detail it outlines the EULA.
Fair Warning:
you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born
into a prison that you can not smell or taste or touch. A prison for your
mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see
what it is for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no
turning back. You take the blue pill the story ends. You wake up in bed and
believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill you stay in
Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm
offering is the truth, nothing more."
http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archi...tas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html
Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it
in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy, and delicious.
After nine years, you know what I realise? Ignorance is bliss.
Microsoft is telling us according to the EULA that we do not own the
software. We have very few rights.
I want everyone to check out this link: in detail it outlines the EULA.
Fair Warning:
you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born
into a prison that you can not smell or taste or touch. A prison for your
mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see
what it is for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no
turning back. You take the blue pill the story ends. You wake up in bed and
believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill you stay in
Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm
offering is the truth, nothing more."
http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archi...tas_windows_licensing_disserves_the_user.html
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Guest
Dave- The EuLA states you may only activate it twice-- 1, 2. You can count
can't you boy? So if I want to upgrade my Motherboard, CPU , Memroy a 3rd
time I am screwed....get it???
can't you boy? So if I want to upgrade my Motherboard, CPU , Memroy a 3rd
time I am screwed....get it???
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xfile
Hi,
Thanks for the info, and I already read several reports and articles re the
new license.
Furthermore, I already decided to advise friends, colleagues, clients not to
buy it and I won't buy it neither.
Thanks for the info, and I already read several reports and articles re the
new license.
Furthermore, I already decided to advise friends, colleagues, clients not to
buy it and I won't buy it neither.
R
robw
So, if I change the H/D one paycheck, the video card the next paycheck, and
the motherboard the following paycheck, have I registerred on 3 new
computers or just one?
Actually, I'm pretty sure video card isn't a "hard" piece of the puzzle
because i've upgraded that without being asked to re-register (Went from
Radeon 9200 to Radeon 9600).
p.s. OpenSuse (free http://www.opensuse.org) was one of the first
distributions to use some neat-3d-tricks on the desktop, I think. I
witnessed some of them at LinuxWorld this year in Boston.
-Rob
the motherboard the following paycheck, have I registerred on 3 new
computers or just one?
Actually, I'm pretty sure video card isn't a "hard" piece of the puzzle
because i've upgraded that without being asked to re-register (Went from
Radeon 9200 to Radeon 9600).
p.s. OpenSuse (free http://www.opensuse.org) was one of the first
distributions to use some neat-3d-tricks on the desktop, I think. I
witnessed some of them at LinuxWorld this year in Boston.
-Rob
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xfile
For what I've learned.
(1) Clean/Upgrade install - one
(2) Change HD (or M/B)- second
Anything after that, se, M/B after HDD or HDD after M/B - buy additional
one.
Are you loving it?
(1) Clean/Upgrade install - one
(2) Change HD (or M/B)- second
Anything after that, se, M/B after HDD or HDD after M/B - buy additional
one.
Are you loving it?
G
Guest
Xfile: You're welcome. I would tell everyone reading: EULA seeks to limit
and eventually remove a persons rights to ownership over their own computers,
it further seeks to penalize legitimate users by imposing an unfair (and
possibly illegal) method of selling the software again after the initial sale
simply because someone upgrades hardware, which allows MS to increase their
profits by use of a hidden 'Fee'by forcing a legitimate user to purchase
another license if the previous license has been used up by an initial
install and then a transfer to another 'device' when in reality it could be
the same computer that simply had some hardware upgrades.
Anyway, its Monday morning tommorow. I hope everyone had a great weekend.
and eventually remove a persons rights to ownership over their own computers,
it further seeks to penalize legitimate users by imposing an unfair (and
possibly illegal) method of selling the software again after the initial sale
simply because someone upgrades hardware, which allows MS to increase their
profits by use of a hidden 'Fee'by forcing a legitimate user to purchase
another license if the previous license has been used up by an initial
install and then a transfer to another 'device' when in reality it could be
the same computer that simply had some hardware upgrades.
Anyway, its Monday morning tommorow. I hope everyone had a great weekend.
R
robw
Yeah..
I'm loving the fact that I registered (free) as a Microsoft Partner and paid
$299-399 (not sure) to join the Microsoft Action Pack Subscription program
which gives me 10 licenses to the 'client operating systems' (which should,
legally, include Vista). That means I get 10x2=20 upgrades if I'm doing my
math correctly, all for less than the price of one copy of Vista. Plus I
get all that neat bonus software that comes with the subscription!
Anyone want to invent your own business like me (You don't actually have to
have a product, plan, or sell anything), just go to the microsoft partner
site and register. It's the cheapest way to own Vista, I believe.
-Rob
I'm loving the fact that I registered (free) as a Microsoft Partner and paid
$299-399 (not sure) to join the Microsoft Action Pack Subscription program
which gives me 10 licenses to the 'client operating systems' (which should,
legally, include Vista). That means I get 10x2=20 upgrades if I'm doing my
math correctly, all for less than the price of one copy of Vista. Plus I
get all that neat bonus software that comes with the subscription!
Anyone want to invent your own business like me (You don't actually have to
have a product, plan, or sell anything), just go to the microsoft partner
site and register. It's the cheapest way to own Vista, I believe.
-Rob
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xfile
I am an existing partner and I like many aspects of the company's products -
which easily can be verified if one cares for going through all my posts
here.
At the same time, I try very hard to be objective and not to be bound by
personal interests and preferences when dealing with "business" issues, the
same attitude that I have for the retail licensing and WGA issue.
I won't use business licenses for personal computers at home and won't
expect other regular consumers doing the same. Will you?
By the same token, I'm very careful for updating business systems but not so
much as a consumer for updating/upgrading personal systems.
A fair playground (again, balance the interests of protecting the company
from piracy and the consumer's privacy and usage right) is, at least, my
foundation for all arguments.
which easily can be verified if one cares for going through all my posts
here.
At the same time, I try very hard to be objective and not to be bound by
personal interests and preferences when dealing with "business" issues, the
same attitude that I have for the retail licensing and WGA issue.
I won't use business licenses for personal computers at home and won't
expect other regular consumers doing the same. Will you?
By the same token, I'm very careful for updating business systems but not so
much as a consumer for updating/upgrading personal systems.
A fair playground (again, balance the interests of protecting the company
from piracy and the consumer's privacy and usage right) is, at least, my
foundation for all arguments.
R
robw
My personal computers are my business computers.. I'm a software developer..
Doesn't make sense for me to own two sets of computers. Therefore, the
benefit of the business software extends to personal use.
Face it, anything that anyone does on any computer is a form of
'business'... Even something as innocuous as operating a myspace page is
"personal marketting" no matter how bad the person may be at it.
For all personal stuff, I've largely moved to Linux. My business stuff:
Server Side = Linux, Client Side = Java but runs on Windows and I have to
test there.
-Rob
Doesn't make sense for me to own two sets of computers. Therefore, the
benefit of the business software extends to personal use.
Face it, anything that anyone does on any computer is a form of
'business'... Even something as innocuous as operating a myspace page is
"personal marketting" no matter how bad the person may be at it.
For all personal stuff, I've largely moved to Linux. My business stuff:
Server Side = Linux, Client Side = Java but runs on Windows and I have to
test there.
-Rob