Boycott Sony cd's

[Al Klein]

Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY cd at an
exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced, since it is soo much
cheaper to make cd's than vinyl records, but isn't. Then play this
said cd on my 'puter it will install adware, spyware (and who knows
what other crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd. Then if I
want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my machine, I have to contact
SONY and beg them for their permission and instructions on how to do
this? And if I do that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't
play that cd on it ever again??

Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.

 

[Vic Dura]

Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.

That's the way to go.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> Al Klein

Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.

And while I wouldn't advice purchasing ANYTHING from Sony right now,
finding an old Sony discman would seem to be the best choice.

It's only appropriate to use a company's own products to circumvent
their own stupidity.

 

[MyName]

Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY
cd at an exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced,
since it is soo much cheaper to make cd's than vinyl
records, but isn't. Then play this said cd on my 'puter it
will install adware, spyware (and who knows what other
crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd.
Then if I want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my
machine, I have to contact SONY and beg them for their
permission and instructions on how to do this? And if I do
that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't play that
cd on it ever again??

I've got one thing to say about that, FU*K YOU, SONY!!
Pardon my French!

Don't forget the OCXs left behind by their removal software!

 

[Hootowl]

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:29:21 +0100, Angry Andrew

Let me see iffn I have this all straight. If I buy a SONY cd at an
exorbitant price they claimed would be reduced, since it is soo much
cheaper to make cd's than vinyl records, but isn't. Then play this
said cd on my 'puter it will install adware, spyware (and who knows
what other crap) onto my machine along with some hokey player just to
listen to said cd. Also I can only rip 3 copies of the cd. Then if I
want to remove (gasp!) their junk from my machine, I have to contact
SONY and beg them for their permission and instructions on how to do
this? And if I do that, my machine will be fine, but damn, I can't
play that cd on it ever again??

So, should we now all load Total Uninstal before playing any new
CD/DVD/future entertainment device on our PC's?

 

[Art]

So, should we now all load Total Uninstal before playing any new
CD/DVD/future entertainment device on our PC's?

Are you sure it would work with root kits?

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Rob Kelk]

Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.

That won't wash - the CD presents an EULA before installing the
software, and won't install the software if you don't agree to the EULA.

You can get them on misrepresentation, though - the EULA says the
software can be removed, but there's no provision to do so...

 

[Denis]

Hi Rob,

That won't wash - the CD presents an EULA before installing the
software, and won't install the software if you don't agree to the EULA.

You can get them on misrepresentation, though - the EULA says the
software can be removed, but there's no provision to do so...

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html

"I checked the EULA and saw no mention of the fact that I was agreeing to
have software put on my system that I couldn't uninstall."

How should the user know, that the installed software is not limited to the
player he needs to play the music on his computer, but also installs a
resident, not visible and not easily uninstallable program?

Regards,

Denis

 

[Al Klein]

In message <[email protected]> Al Klein

And while I wouldn't advice purchasing ANYTHING from Sony right now,
finding an old Sony discman would seem to be the best choice.

That's the "crippled $29 piece of junk" I was thinking of.

It's only appropriate to use a company's own products to circumvent
their own stupidity.

Poetic justice.

 

[Al Klein]

That won't wash - the CD presents an EULA before installing the
software, and won't install the software if you don't agree to the EULA.

"Install" on an old Sony Walkman? It barely had enough smarts to
*play* a CD.

 

[Al Klein]

How should the user know, that the installed software is not limited to the
player he needs to play the music on his computer, but also installs a
resident, not visible and not easily uninstallable program?

Whether a Trojan is installed by software you download, by visiting a
web site designed to do that, or by a CD you want to listen to, it's
still a Trojan. And it's still illegal.

I wonder what happens when Sony CDs are played on, say, a BSD system.
Or a Solaris system. Do they have a dozen different Trojans on the
CD?

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> Al Klein

"Install" on an old Sony Walkman? It barely had enough smarts to
*play* a CD.

I don't believe a Sony Walkman will play a CD at all. A Sony discman
and you might be talking.

 

[Arne Anka]

I alt.comp.freeware, sa Angry Andrew utan att tänka först:

Boycott Sony/BMG

"While the Sony CDs play fine on Red Book audio devices such as
standard consumer electronics CD players, when they're played on a
Windows PC the software forces playback through a bundled media
player, and restricts how many digital copies can be made from
Windows."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/01/sony_rootkit_drm/

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html

Looks like some World of Warcraft hackers like the Sony BMG rootkit

<http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34>

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[Rob Kelk]

"Install" on an old Sony Walkman? It barely had enough smarts to
*play* a CD.

If you don't put the CD anywhere near your PC, then Sony doesn't get to
attempt unauthorized access. Either way, it doesn't wash...

 

[Jim Nugent]

Or you could play the CD on some dumb, crippled $29 piece of junk
that's connected to your computer by audio cables, copy the audio to
files, burn your own CD and sue Sony for attempted unauthorized access
to your computer.

What would happen if you use something like cdplayer.exe, that puts the
CDROM into analog CD mode and plays directly through the sound card via the
analog audio cable?

Also both of my burning programs (Nero and Roxio) will cheerfully open
session 01 (audio) and display, copy, or rip the tracks. I've done this on
"mixed mode" CD's but not on a true DRMified CD. But what could be different
if session 01 has to be Red book standard?
Maybe I'm missing something...

 

[Mike Bourke]

What your missing is that the spyware rewrites parts of your operating
system so that none of these things will happen any more.

Mike Bourke

 

[Jim Nugent]

Mike, hope you don't mind- I re-ordered some stuff to prevent a mix of top
and bottom posting...

What your missing is that the spyware rewrites parts of your operating
system so that none of these things will happen any more.

But that's only if you let the session 02 code run. I should have clarified:
Either don't let it autorun (hold down the shift key on insertion), or...

What happens if you REJECT the EULA? Does it still install stuff?

I'm talking about someone who KNOWS about the issue; I acknowledge the
problems faced by someone caught off guard by all of this. Now, I have
Autorun enabled, but if I put in an audio CD, and got a EULA in my face, I'd
abort the whole deal and do some investigating with windows explorer. But
then I'm not the average user.

 

[ellis_jay]

Mike, hope you don't mind- I re-ordered some stuff to prevent a mix
of top and bottom posting...




But that's only if you let the session 02 code run. I should have
clarified: Either don't let it autorun (hold down the shift key on
insertion), or...

What happens if you REJECT the EULA? Does it still install stuff?

I'm talking about someone who KNOWS about the issue; I acknowledge the
problems faced by someone caught off guard by all of this. Now, I have
Autorun enabled, but if I put in an audio CD, and got a EULA in my
face, I'd abort the whole deal and do some investigating with windows
explorer. But then I'm not the average user.

I am missing all but 3 of the posts about this topic. I am guessing that
you three are talking about this root kit crap below?

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html

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most important thing is to be a useful member of the state, and to air
their opinions in the club of an evening; they have never felt the
homesickness for something unknown and far away, nor the depths which
consists in being nothing at all. ___________Soren Kierkegaard

Ellis_jay

 

[ellis_jay]

I am missing all but 3 of the posts about this topic. I am guessing
that you three are talking about this root kit crap below?

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html

forgot this for nov 9th 2005

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/

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Their ethics are a short summary of police ordinances: for them the
most important thing is to be a useful member of the state, and to air
their opinions in the club of an evening; they have never felt the
homesickness for something unknown and far away, nor the depths which
consists in being nothing at all. ___________Soren Kierkegaard

Ellis_jay

 

[John Corliss]

Boycott Sony/BMG

"While the Sony CDs play fine on Red Book audio devices such as
standard consumer electronics CD players, when they're played on a
Windows PC the software forces playback through a bundled media
player, and restricts how many digital copies can be made from
Windows."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/01/sony_rootkit_drm/

http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html

This latest may be of interest to you:

http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2106#more-2106

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Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: aafuss, Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein, BEN
RITCHEY and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.