Beware of Upgrading Your Computer

[Justin]

I guess you're not up on the news.

There is nothing in the news that has anything to do with this discussion.

No, the way Ubuntu is being marketed is through word of mouth. Not
nonsense and not propaganda.

Again, that's your opinion of which no one cares. No alias, this response
does not mean I care it means exactly what it says.

Huh? Linux IS free so who's lost?

Ok alias, I'll give you a CD and I want you to turn it into a 24/7/365
server with same day onsite support for free.

Apparently you have no clue as to what a linux SOLUTION is. Like I said,
you are lost in this conversation. You are nothing but some dumb kid who
smoked way to much pot in his life and probably lives with his parents and
has a POS 7+ year old computer because you can't afford anything better
seeing as potheads (ex and current) have trouble finding jobs and the only
reason you run ubuntu is because nothing else will run on it. The only
thing you know is your POS computer and nothing else. You have NO CLUE as
to the REAL COST a business would have to fork out to run linux. I'd say do
yourself a favor and STFU before you cause any more damage to your self
esteem but like many other pothead, you don't have any to begin with.

Ok, now reply with your usual BS. Either cry about the insults or breakup
everything I said on a per word basis and prove to us all that you are not
capable of understanding a sentence (or paragraph) as a whole unit.

 

[Justin]

I can see you know nothing about business.

Whatever you say. If you want to believe that the bottom line to a business
isn't the mighty dollar then good for you.

 

[Justin]

I didn't say anything about Ubuntu so who's lost?

Damn, you're such an idiot. This entire time your ignorant 8 year old
comments where specifically targeted to my having an error with 7.x.

Is your pothead brain so completely wasted that even YOU have forgotten the
origins of your own stupid ramblings?

If you are now applying the 8 year old comment to anything and everything
that is discussed to a shortcoming of linux then you are a bigger idiot then
we all thought.

Do you hear this everyone? According to alias if linux doesn’t work out for
you then you are not as smart as an 8 year old should be.

Just when you think alias couldn't sink any lower....he sinks.

 

[Richard Urban]

I fail to understand why people don't mind being accused of being a

pirate until they prove otherwise. Please explain why this doesn't
bother you. Jim has nothing to do with it. He is just an example.

Alias

Maybe because they KNOW they aren't, and are not afraid to prove so.

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Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
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Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Justin]

Another idiot who doesn't mind being accused of piracy until he proves
otherwise.

Well, unlike you I think for myself. Have fun being a lemming!

 

[Justin]

Maybe because they KNOW they aren't, and are not afraid to prove so.

Or maybe other people (the majority) do not share alias' ignorant opinion on
being called a thief. Maybe they understand that in order to use a software
devs product you need to follow their rules. Be it online activation or
serial number or dongle or...

I only see two people ranting about MS calling them a thief.

 

[Frank]

If you say so, Frank. I will have to concede to the innate knowledge you
possess and your well presented argument. Actually, no one posting here
even needs to have any independent thoughts, since you can just tell
everyone what to know and how to know it. Well done.

Stop wearing those twisted skivvies, ok?
Here's market reality...percentages are what we talk about but penny
profits are what we deposit into the bank.
Go it?
Frank

 

[norm]

Stop wearing those twisted skivvies, ok?
Here's market reality...percentages are what we talk about but penny
profits are what we deposit into the bank.
Go it?
Frank

And that has what to do with the contention that market share doesn't
accurately depict the reality of what the masses do or do not want? Do
you get it?

 

[Frank]

And that has what to do with the contention that market share doesn't
accurately depict the reality of what the masses do or do not want? Do
you get it?

You must live on a different planet or have lost all contact with reality.
But, that's your problem.
My reality is market defined.
Frank

 

[DanS]

You have NO CLUE as to the REAL COST a
business would have to fork out to run linux. I'd say do yourself a
favor and STFU before you cause any more damage to your self esteem
but like many other pothead, you don't have any to begin with.

I'd say a business with 100 workstations costs $200/seat with XP/Vista, for
a total of $20,000.

Those same 100 seats in a linux flavor will run you $0.

I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in switching
over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end up being a wash.

Hell you can even keep a Windows AD if you want, as you can authenticate
from Linux to a MS Server AD anyway.

 

[Frank]

I'd say a business with 100 workstations costs $200/seat with XP/Vista, for
a total of $20,000.

Those same 100 seats in a linux flavor will run you $0.

I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in switching
over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end up being a wash.

Hell you can even keep a Windows AD if you want, as you can authenticate
from Linux to a MS Server AD anyway.

Nah...not even close to $20,000. A company that size will get a volume
license that will greatly reduced cost per seat. Plus you're not
factoring in Linux help cost (how do you think companies like Red Hat
makes money?).
Lot of studies have been done and documented on the TOC of running
windows vs. Linux vs. mac.
In the long run, windows is the best value.
Frank

 

[DanS]

Nah...not even close to $20,000. A company that size will get a volume
license that will greatly reduced cost per seat. Plus you're not
factoring in Linux help cost (how do you think companies like Red Hat
makes money?).
Lot of studies have been done and documented on the TOC of running
windows vs. Linux vs. mac.
In the long run, windows is the best value.
Frank

The best value according to whom ? Anyone OTHER than MS ?

Get the Facts Right on Linux, Microsoft:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1782587,00.asp

A real-life case-study of one organization that did the switch:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT9449561421.html

This is a good in-depth article, and it gives no clear answer, which
probably is the answer, since it all depends on the organization:
http://www.infoworld.com/infoworld/article/03/08/29/34FElinux_1.html

Here's a 17 page Windows vs Linux vs OSX side-by-side test:
http://www.cio.com/article/41140/Windows_vs._Linux_vs._OS_X

Admittedly, who to believe ?

Adios......Sabres game is starting.....

 

[norm]

You must live on a different planet or have lost all contact with reality.
But, that's your problem.
My reality is market defined.
Frank

That is great. You still have not answered my question. Can you do so
without insult? Or is that beyond your capacity?

 

[Justin]

a total of $20,000.

Those same 100 seats in a linux flavor will run you $0.

First of all, IT costs money. $0 is an impossibility.

Second, A business has to support those desktops. Ever of something called
centralized management? Yes, the actual OS software costs what it costs.
Now address maintaining the various OS'.

Third, I can do just about anything I need in my entire organization from my
desktop. Which, granted, isn't good on my gut. Need more time at the gym
now. With linux, fat chance of even coming close.

I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in switching
over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end up being a
wash.

Where do you come up with these BS numbers? I have 300+ machines and pay
just over that.

Hell you can even keep a Windows AD if you want, as you can authenticate
from Linux to a MS Server AD anyway.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! You think AD is only about authenticating? Wow!

 

[DanS]

I'd say a business with 100 workstations costs $200/seat with
XP/Vista, for

First of all, IT costs money. $0 is an impossibility.

I never said it didn't cost money.

Second, A business has to support those desktops. Ever of something
called centralized management? Yes, the actual OS software costs what
it costs. Now address maintaining the various OS'.

You must think everyone is stupid. You've conveniently again snipped
something I said which was.....

'I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in switching
over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end up being a
wash.'

So fine, let's cut that to $10K. There's a $10K head start in the
transitioning fund.

And if your paying someone to maintain an MS network, you could just as
well pay a Linux administrator instead.

I never said it was a simple venture either. Here's a decent article that
looks at some of the un-thought-of sides of it.

http://www.infoworld.com/infoworld/article/03/08/29/34FElinux_1.html

 

[Justin]

I never said it didn't cost money.

Yet you think linux costs $0 for a business. Wow, you have fun that.

You must think everyone is stupid. You've conveniently again snipped
something I said which was.....

'I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in switching
over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end up being a
wash.'

Go back and read you idiot I didn't snip that out. It's in my post. The
cost to run/manage linux is MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive. I guess you didn't
pick on that part. Nothing is a wash.

So fine, let's cut that to $10K. There's a $10K head start in the
transitioning fund.

I'm sure that's what you think.

And if your paying someone to maintain an MS network, you could just as
well pay a Linux administrator instead.

Yup, and the workload is much greater and much more involved = pay more.

I never said it was a simple venture either.

It's a good thing no one mentioned ease of use.



You missed one:

Hell you can even keep a Windows AD if you want, as you can authenticate
from Linux to a MS Server AD anyway.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! You think AD is only about authenticating? Wow!

I like how you cry about snipping even though I didn't then you do it
yourself.

 

[Justin]

@dans, care to explain how I snipped this out? I even commented on it:

Where do you come up with these BS numbers? I have 300+ machines and pay
just over that.

Then you commented on my comment. Talk about being lost! Your worse then
alias!

 

[Alias]

Maybe because they KNOW they aren't, and are not afraid to prove so.

Fear has nothing to do with it. So, again, why doesn't it bother you
that you have to prove your innocence to MS who is claiming you are a
pirate?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Or maybe other people (the majority) do not share alias' ignorant
opinion on being called a thief. Maybe they understand that in order to
use a software devs product you need to follow their rules. Be it
online activation or serial number or dongle or...

I only see two people ranting about MS calling them a thief.

I guess you'll never learn.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Well, unlike you I think for myself.

LOL! Good one, Justin. MS says jump through yet another you are a pirate
until you prove otherwise hoop and you ask "how high?"

Have fun being a lemming!

Yawn.

Alias