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[Duddits]

The MS-worshippers are the knee-jerkiest. And the jerkiest, come to
think of it.

I don't worship MS but I do like the IE engine (via OT NetCaptor) best.
Suits me better than others i've tried. I've tried to use Mozilla/Firebird
but their tabbed interface isn't as user friendly. I stay out of browser
battles as a general rule but you tempted me ;-)

regards

Dud/Wasup!/Ðe×

 

[JuanMa]

Went there...page apparently has been moved...or else you're funnin'
with me.

Greetings.

I'm not "funnin' with" you, apparently the link didn't paste correctly here.
There are some alternative browsers there.

--
Take Care.

JuanMa
(e-mail address removed)

Please remove NOSPAM to reply.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

I don't know about "winning" but....

I went so far as to just say I

But did it cross your mind that being a "newb" is a reason why he
needed you to lay out the old arguments for the thousandth time?

He was a newb *here*, but that didn't mean he'd necessarily been
oblivious to the faults of IE. It's not like this is the only place
they've been discussed. Other places where they're no secret: all
over the Internet, in magazines, newspapers, TV, radio, etc.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

I don't worship MS but I do like the IE engine (via OT NetCaptor) best.
Suits me better than others i've tried. I've tried to use Mozilla/Firebird
but their tabbed interface isn't as user friendly. I stay out of browser

So turn it off; tabs being enabled isn't an Act Of God. Disable them and you
can have window buttons smeared all over your taskbar, just like with
IE.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

That's fine with me. I like to root for the underdog anyway.

Poor little MS. The archetypical underdog.

 

[Tiger]

(e-mail address removed) (Luke) wrote in

Faster maybe, more features no.

Um...more features, *yes,* unless of course you're talking about mail
and newsgroups, which are not *browser* features but rather separate
programs tacked onto the browser.

In fact, in the area of features, FB's extensions make it head and
shoulders above *any* other *web-browser.*

--
Tiger

"Zero is where the fun starts
There is too much counting everywhere else."
- Hafiz

 

[donut]

What's the use in trying to ignore a 500 pound gorilla in the room? You
cannot remove IE, or the OS will not work right. Since you must keep it
anyway, you may as well use it.

I removed IE completely using IEradicator, and my computer with Windows ME
works BETTER! IE 5.5 is the cause of nearly ALL the ME problems.

If I couldn't remove IE, it would be locked down completely with no
permission to connect to the Internet, as it was before I found
IEradicator.

 

[Max Quordlepleen]

The archetypical underdog.

Do I C letters in that word I'm not used to seeing in it? I'll let you
ff, since M-W says that "archetypical" is an accepted alternative to
the original, and more frequently used "archetypal". Next time, you'll
have to use GNUs for a week, y'understand?

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Do I C letters in that word I'm not used to seeing in it? I'll let you
ff, since M-W says that "archetypical" is an accepted alternative to
the original, and more frequently used "archetypal". Next time, you'll
have to use GNUs for a week, y'understand?

My on-the-fly spell checker didn't flag "archetypical". F8 shows that my
other one does. Aspell versus Ispell. Tie game...going into overtime.

 

[Duddits]

So turn it off; tabs being enabled isn't an Act Of God.

Yes_it_is ;-)~ Must have "captor" groups.

 

[|3iff //ullins]

lucat bene, der jimpgh2002 <[email protected]> goh, a
hunnert truxx inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on Sun, 07 Sep 2003
02:19:10 GMT:

So?

forgive him. he just fails to understand that IE is quite simply the
best of the browsers.

 

[|3iff //ullins]

lucat bene, der (e-mail address removed) (ever) goh, a hunnert truxx
inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on 6 Sep 2003 05:37:08 -0700:

What do you vote for? and why?

1) MyIE2
2) Avant Browser
3) Slim Browser
4) Crazy Browser

any of them. they are all based on the best browser available, msie.

 

[Luke]

(e-mail address removed) (Luke) wrote in

Um...more features, *yes,* unless of course you're talking about mail
and newsgroups, which are not *browser* features but rather separate
programs tacked onto the browser.

Thank you for that unnecessary lesson , but that's not what i'm
saying. Let me give you an example. Popup blocking. Whitelist and
blacklists.
Nuff Said.

That's the whole point of Firebird to cut down on features (in the
browser as well). Sure you could spend hours looking for what you need
via extensions, but how many others would?

Right out of the box, mozilla 1.4/1.5a (the browser only) has more
features then Firebird . And even if you add "extensions" , Firebird
is not ahead.

In fact, in the area of features, FB's extensions make it head and
shoulders above *any* other *web-browser.*

Except for Mozilla itself of course which either already has those
built in, or can use the same extensions (in fact most of them were
designed for mozilla not Firebird orginally)

 

[Bob Adkins]

But generally in these forums, it seems to me that people who defend OE
and MS products -- or critise the alternatives to those -- tend to get
jumped on faster and harder than people who defend the alternatives or
criticise MS products.

That's just my impression -- I've no stats to back it up.

Many people who use the news groups are a tad rebellious. MS is perceived as
the leader, the status quo, the authority figure. Pounding on the little guy
is not cool; pounding on the big guy is.

I have a rebellious nature of my own, and I've been down the same MS bashing
road. After a few years of observing blind MS bashing, it caused a backlash
within me. I saw how silly I must have looked. I now try my best to be
impartial, and it has changed my perspective. I can say without a doubt that
I believe Windows XP and MS Office are the most USABLE software in their
class. Does that mean I'm an MS apologist? No, I'm a former MS basher who
has come full circle. It feels good to not be a soldier fighting for a
misguided cause.

Bob

 

[Tiger]

(e-mail address removed) (Luke) wrote in

Thank you for that unnecessary lesson , but that's not what i'm
saying. Let me give you an example. Popup blocking. Whitelist and
blacklists.
Nuff Said.

Both white lists and pop-up blocking come with Firebird. No need for
black lists.

That's the whole point of Firebird to cut down on features (in the
browser as well). Sure you could spend hours looking for what you
need via extensions, but how many others would?

No, the whole point of FB is to provide a browser without mail and
news.

Right out of the box, mozilla 1.4/1.5a (the browser only) has more
features then Firebird . And even if you add "extensions" ,
Firebird is not ahead.

Simply wrong.

Except for Mozilla itself of course which either already has those
built in, or can use the same extensions (in fact most of them
were designed for mozilla not Firebird orginally)

Many were, many will not work with Mozilla, and Mozilla certainly
doesn't make it easy to install the ones that do. The only thing that
will take you *hours* to do is hunt down the extensions that work with
Mozilla and then download and install them. With FB, you go to one
site and click on the ones you want and they're installed...took me
about 10 minutes to install about 10 of 'em.

--
Tiger

"Zero is where the fun starts
There is too much counting everywhere else."
- Hafiz

 

[Tiger]

lucat bene, der jimpgh2002 <[email protected]> goh, a
hunnert truxx inero, sumwit kowz n' sumwit duxx on Sun, 07 Sep 2003
02:19:10 GMT:

forgive him. he just fails to understand that IE is quite simply the
best of the browsers.

LOL.

--
Tiger

"Zero is where the fun starts
There is too much counting everywhere else."
- Hafiz

 

[null]

Many people who use the news groups are a tad rebellious. MS is perceived as
the leader, the status quo, the authority figure. Pounding on the little guy
is not cool; pounding on the big guy is.

I have a rebellious nature of my own, and I've been down the same MS bashing
road. After a few years of observing blind MS bashing, it caused a backlash
within me. I saw how silly I must have looked. I now try my best to be
impartial, and it has changed my perspective. I can say without a doubt that
I believe Windows XP and MS Office are the most USABLE software in their
class. Does that mean I'm an MS apologist? No, I'm a former MS basher who
has come full circle. It feels good to not be a soldier fighting for a
misguided cause.

Has nothing at all to do with MS bashing as a sort of game... at least
not in my case, and not in the case of others interested in malware
prevention. The "cause" is simply to give the clueless a clue. Period.
Non other. I've seen several knowledgeable people, and at least one
real virus expert, recently do a complete turnaround. They no longer
pussyfoot around and lamely try to help people with their IE security
settings and advise them to stay up to date with (endless) IE patches.
They now flat out recommend dumping IE and using alternative browsers.
One knowledgeable guy who posts on security groups has raised the
alarm to the point of claiming that dumping IE is the single most
important thing users can do for malware prevention.

So bash away at us so-called MS bashers, if that's your newfound
"cause"

BTW, I wouldn't touch XP with a ten foot pole. What a mess and
security nightmare that is!


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Bob Adkins]

BTW, I wouldn't touch XP with a ten foot pole. What a mess and
security nightmare that is!

I do not work for the CIA or a Swiss bank, so security is a much lesser
priority for me. If someone would break into my computer, they would die
from boredom. If I lost all my stuff, I would be forced to open my box of
backup CD's. <shrug>

Anyone who must be secure should have sense enough to physically unplug from
the Internet while working, and physically unplug the HDD where sensitive
information is kept while on the Internet. No OS or hardware device can
substitute for common sense when it comes to security. Computer security is
like good hygiene. It's strictly up to you.

Bob

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Many were, many will not work with Mozilla, and Mozilla certainly
doesn't make it easy to install the ones that do. The only thing
that will take you *hours* to do is hunt down the extensions that
work with Mozilla and then download and install them.

I am /so/ happy not to be pring through mozdev.org any more, not to
mention the ones for Mozilla the are not at mozdev. The new roadmap
is sweeeeet, and it's being implemented very well.

With FB, you go to one site and click on the ones you want and
they're installed...took me about 10 minutes to install about 10
of 'em.

Just for the record, it's not only just site, it's just one
/page/. All extensions laid out clearly on a single page, with
descriptions and install links - I don't see how they could make it
easier.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

If someone would break into my computer, they would die from
boredom. If I lost all my stuff, I would be forced to open my box
of backup CD's. <shrug>

Rather than bother with looking at or damaging your boring files, it's
more likely that the person who broke in would redirect your ports or
install a proxy, a bot to launch DoS attacks, a bot to spam IRC users,
or any one of a number of other tools s/he could use to further damage
the 'net as a whole. By taking what security measures you do, you are
being a good netizen rather than just protecting the files you can
afford to shrug off.