Add Gaim to pricelessware

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Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote:

[snip]

R> What exactly would it require to appease you? (not rhetorical)

An announcement that a vote was going to happen. The reasons for the
vote posted with ALL information available, listed and available to
ALL participants here, so ALL that wished to vote could make an
informed decision. A fair time frame for ALL group participants that
want to vote to realize it and voice an opinion. A week at least,
probably longer. There were no pressing emergencies or deadlines
looming.

I see a nice and proper announcement regarding the up and coming vote
process for Pricelessware, which is how many months away? And my oh
my, the subject line is correctly labeled, and the information
contained therein is well layed out and informative. I wonder why the
vote to move the site was not conducted like this?

I know... I'm adding fuel to an already burnt out subject. But I can
see where Jack is coming from, since this was my argument all along,
but those siding with Susan did nothing but jump me and hump me in
order to distort the whole point and to force everyone to accept what
had happened as an official event. To me, the whole event lacked good
form, good faith, trust, honesty and fairness. It was tainted from the
get go, it was rushed, it wasn't properly announced and it was hidden
in a mislabeled thread. The thread was so long with exccessive
flaming, that if anyone did venture into it, they would have quickly
gotten lost and or disinterested in the thread and would not have known
that a vote was being quickly conducted in there.

And when I did bring this to the attention of the group, the issues
were never addressed at all, but merely dismissed as the ramblings of
an ass. The arguements made by the those who wished to keep the
events as is, did not even adddress the issues at all. Not one of them
was able to refute my claims of foul play, dishonesty and unfairness
with regards to the so called vote they held. To this day, they still
try to avoid the issue because they know what they did was not dishonest
and unfair. It was just wrong... But since it served their
purpose, it's deemed as legit. And don't try to argue with them,
because you'll get beaten down with unfounded accusations and
intentional misinformation. And they aren't nice about it at all
either.

I'm still waiting for a proper vote to be conducted on this matter, but
I'm sure that if anyone tries to initiate such, they will quickly get
jumped, beaten and discredited as being a Troll, Trouble Maker,
Miscreant and anything else to deny the possibility of a proper vote
being conducted which just might change the outcome of the previous
event.

You mean like the vote to make you the *Webmaster*?????

Well, don't anyone make a big fuss about my post.. After all, it's just
the ramblings of someone in this group that doesn't matter anyway. But
thanks for letting me vent this out, which is really all I'm doing here.

Now I need to get back to working on the site before Ben sees me here
and gets on me about not removing his name yet..... Heheheheee... I'll
get to it, and oh yes, Omar also...

I am not bothering or flaming you so why pick on me????

In fact, I'll try to take care of that today since I'm taking a break.

-Garrett

Omar


--
"When I am right, No one remembers
When I am wrong, No one forgets"

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http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I see a nice and proper announcement regarding the up and coming vote
process for Pricelessware, which is how many months away? And my oh
my, the subject line is correctly labeled, and the information
contained therein is well layed out and informative. I wonder why the
vote to move the site was not conducted like this?

< snip >

(1) Because Susan refused to tell us why the site needed to be moved.
People were asked to vote based on incomplete information.

(2) If the above had been done then a character assassination of Genna
would have been unnecessary/avoided.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I would think many would agree with that assessment.

I'm not bothering replying to your other opinions. We all have them. I
particularly disagree with this one though. There was nothing sneaky,
uncooperative, or paranoid about Susans circumstance. A few people,
including you, for some reason felt/feel like you have a *right* to know
the details of the relationship between Susan and Genna and what led to
the break.

Exactly right. As Susan was supposedly representing readers here she
should have explained why she couldn't work with Genna.

The facts were plain and simple for all to see. The vote was a plain yes
or no decision.

About moving a domain that she had no right to move. A total waste
of everyone's time. Before any domain can be moved one gets the
permission of the domain holder first. Duh !

< snip >

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Garrett wrote:

It really didn't seem necessary. There was NO vote at all when the
pricelessware.org move was made.

No need for one. Nobody previously owned that domain. Genna was kind
enough to organise it on behalf of the group.

As someone said "It was a no-brainer".
This latest move seemed like a no-brainer too. . . it was turned into a
war - the reasons for *opposing* a move to a new web host have never
been clear

The reasons for moving the site were not made clear. You still haven't
told us why it needed moving.

. . . lots of heat, *no* light. . .

< snip >

Exactly. You have created more division, and heat, than anyone who
I have seen in this newsgroup for quite some years.

Nice of you to take the time to fan those dying embers.

Exactly. Why did you need to post ?

Peace might
break out if you weren't so vigilant. . .

Peace might break out if you learnt to cooperate with others. Such as
Genna.

 

[Garrett]

It really didn't seem necessary. There was NO vote at all when the
pricelessware.org move was made. As someone said "It was a
no-brainer". This latest move seemed like a no-brainer too. . . it
was turned into a war - the reasons for opposing a move to a new web
host have never been clear. . . lots of heat, no light. . .

If it was a no-brainer as you say, then why did you even conduct a
little vote at all?

And the reasons to move the site have never been made clear, except for
the fact that you did not want to work with Genna anymore. And that is
not a good enough reason at all.

Nice of you to take the time to fan those dying embers. Peace might
break out if you weren't so vigilant. . .


Susan

Nice of you to also jump in to flame the embers. Peace might break out
if you were to stop jumping in on such threads also.

-Garrett

 

[Garrett]

Never the boy to move on are we ducks? There'll be another of these
posts from you or Genna in a few weeks.

Well the same goes for you.... What brought you into this thread? Does
it concern you?

I'm only responding to someone else's reply.

-Garrett

 

[Garrett]

Omar© wrote:

[snip]

You mean like the vote to make you the Webmaster?????

Was there ever a vote on who should webmaster the site? No, only
people who volunteered or were asked. So what does this have to do
with issues at in this topic?

I am not bothering or flaming you so why pick on me????

Hmmmm, you are an odd one if you think I was picking on you. Well, if
you couldn't figure that one out, then oh well.

-Garrett

 

[Garrett]

Jebus Cribe. Cry me a ****ing river why don't you.

I'm not crying, and why now did you bother jumping into this thread?

Get over yourself. The home of pricelessware is

Get overyourself.... You didn't even have the nerve to try and help the
situation at all.. In fact, you're just trying to flame it even more
with your insults and foul language.

So if this does not interest you at all, then you yourself should move
on and stop pissing and whinning about this subject. If you don't like
it, stay out of it.

-Garrett

 

[Garrett]

<
[about the voting to move the PL]

It was tainted from the
get go, it was rushed, it wasn't properly announced and it was
hidden in a mislabeled thread. The thread was so long with
exccessive flaming, that if anyone did venture into it, they would
have quickly gotten lost and or disinterested in the thread and
would not have known that a vote was being quickly conducted in
there.

[snip]

It was in two threads, with several other threads also containing
discussion about it. I agree with most of your criticisms of how it
was handled, but I don't see what good it does to keep bringing it
up.

Yeah, I don't know either, ask Jack, REM and Burnr about that... It's
their thread. I only recently jumped in to post my feelings about it.

Seems now the gang is out and all over me again. Seems my feelings
have sparked something again.

-Garrett

 

[jo]

Well the same goes for you.... What brought you into this thread?

Your post

Does
it concern you?
Yes

I'm only responding to someone else's reply.

*yawn*

 

[jo]

I would think many would agree with that assessment.


Exactly right. As Susan was supposedly representing readers here she
should have explained why she couldn't work with Genna.



About moving a domain that she had no right to move. A total waste
of everyone's time. Before any domain can be moved one gets the
permission of the domain holder first. Duh !

Quite. So now Susan has a domain where she feels she can work in
freedom, and Genna has someone else to maintain her domain.

Everybody happy and an additional freeware site.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Everybody happy and an additional freeware site.

Its amazing how well all this is working out.

 

[Garrett]

Your post

So I've become your personal project then? I'm flattered

Yes

Probably not. I see you posting nothing regarding the issue at all...
You're just here to take shots at people.

yawn

Well it's obvious you have nothing of value to add to this thread.
Must be trolling.

-Garrett

 

[REM]

"Garrett" <[email protected]> wrote:

Seems now the gang is out and all over me again. Seems my feelings
have sparked something again.

I don't think that is true Garrett. While we might differ in opinion from time
to time, no one here is out to get you. You just happened in at an inopportune
moment I think. This whole deal polarized the group. Most everyone had a strong
opinion and it became emotional and way serious.

To us, it was important that the site stayed a democratic work of the people of
ACF. That's how it worked when I first started reading the group and that was
the magic that finally got me involved with PL. This covers the entire site,
content, display, projects, external info like Huntersoft ripoff, all were voted
on and added after a majority vote. It is the greatest volunteer effort I've
ever witnessed.

It's been tough for everyone I think. There are many lurkers and posters alike
who are just plain ready to ge over this. It's a done deal, as far as two sites
go and that's good anyway you slice it.

After you get setup and comfortable we can do another vote. It's not a big deal.
It will be best done before or after the 2005 vote though, so we can concentrate
on freeware and not degenerate into threads like this during the program vote.

I really don't want to respond in many cases, but it's really tough not to
sometimes. Maybe it is important to lay out feelings and to squabble over them a
bit, I dunno. I know many others would prefer we stick with freeware though.

Can you give a progress report?

At any rate, I wish you the best. I know it is a very difficult job. And
obviously, if you need assistance in tracking down links or checking license
to see if it is still freeware you couldn't be at a better place, just ask.

WSFTP is removed from the other list. The license has changed and archiving
older versions is not permitted. (great program too, bummer)

 

[jo]

So I've become your personal project then?

LOL. I get irritated at some of your drivel, but pleased be assured I
don't do 'personal projects'

I'm flattered

You needn't be

Probably not. I see you posting nothing regarding the issue at all...
You're just here to take shots at people.


Well it's obvious you have nothing of value to add to this thread.
Must be trolling.

The 'troll' word. How sweet. And from the man whose earlier post was
described by himself as nothing but a vent.
I think a difference between us is that you enjoy this sort of behaviour
in this group; I don't.

 

[Jack D. Russell, Sr.]

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup: alt.comp.freeware
* Reply to: All; "burnr" <[email protected]>
* Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:41:39 -0500
* Subj: Re: Add Gaim to pricelessware
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b>
JDR>> No argument regarding Susan's work. Only the sneaky,
JDR>> uncooperative, paranoid way that she tried to slander and
JDR>> undermine the efforts of those that came before her. IMHO. What
JDR>> goes around, comes around.
JDR>>

b> I'm not bothering replying to your other opinions. We all have
b> them. I particularly disagree with this one though. There was
b> nothing sneaky, uncooperative, or paranoid about Susans
b> circumstance.

I and many others, disagree.

b> A few people, including you, for some reason felt/feel like you
b> have a *right* to know the details of the relationship between
b> Susan and Genna and what led to the break.

You're damn right. If it concerns this very public group and the direction it takes, then it should be very public knowledge for the group's participants that supposedly choose that direction.

b> As I've posted before...it is none of my business, nor your's, nor
b> anyone else. All of the bitchin and moaning about why,why,why.
b> It's frustrating. I think Susans only mistake was that right up
b> front she should have made it perfectly clear that her personal
b> circumstances would not be open for discussion. You though had to
b> keep on and on and on about a need to know the details.

Oh...really. Do you have me confused with someone else? Cites, please.

b> This is a public forum, none of us have any *right* to any such
b> personal matters of others, Susans, Gennas, or anyone else. You
b> think because Susan is a webmaster of the PL she is obligated to
b> this forum to post details about her relationships which affect
b> her continuing on as webmaster? That's absurd.

No, your assertion that it's absurd are absurd. Susan or anyone else that purports to represent this group, is obligated to keep the group participants informed in ALL matters and decisions that affect this forum's participants. There should be no expectation of privacy in a public forum and any and ALL issues that involve the PWL and site should be subject to full disclosure to the public that she claims to represent if she is to democratically oversee this groups interests. If she or anyone else has any expectations of privacy where it concerns this public group then they shouldn't be in that position of trust. They should politely bow out of the limelight and turn the responsibility over to someone who is able to put the group's interest above their need for privacy.

b> The facts were plain and simple for all to see.

No they were not.

b> The vote was a plain yes or no decision. Support Susans
b> continuation as webmaster of the PL at a new site or not. Doesn't
b> take a lot of thought or discussion to sort that out. And as it
b> worked out (for the better IMO) your preferred site still exists,
b> and Susan is continuing on with her excellent efforts. There is no
b> reason to believe that the PL will not be a stronger and more
b> prolific resource than ever before. Time to move on!

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, I guess. The knockoff, plagiarized, imitation PWL site carries no more weight, and deserves no more respect than a cheap Rolex knockoff. JMHO.

 

[burnr]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, I guess.

Done.

 

[Jack D. Russell, Sr.]

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup: alt.comp.freeware
* Reply to: All; "Garrett" <[email protected]>
* Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:29:26 -0500
* Subj: Re: Add Gaim to pricelessware
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G> Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote:


G> I see a nice and proper announcement regarding the up and coming
G> vote process for Pricelessware, which is how many months away?
G> And my oh my, the subject line is correctly labeled, and the
G> information contained therein is well layed out and informative.
G> I wonder why the vote to move the site was not conducted like
G> this?

...everyone knows why.

G> I know... I'm adding fuel to an already burnt out subject. But I
G> can see where Jack is coming from, since this was my argument all
G> along, but those siding with Susan did nothing but jump me and
G> hump me in order to distort the whole point and to force everyone
G> to accept what had happened as an official event. To me, the
G> whole event lacked good form, good faith, trust, honesty and
G> fairness. It was tainted from the get go, it was rushed, it
G> wasn't properly announced and it was hidden in a mislabeled
G> thread. The thread was so long with exccessive flaming, that if
G> anyone did venture into it, they would have quickly gotten lost
G> and or disinterested in the thread and would not have known that a
G> vote was being quickly conducted in there.

That's what they were counting on.

[Snipped]

G> I'm still waiting for a proper vote to be conducted on this
G> matter, but I'm sure that if anyone tries to initiate such, they
G> will quickly get jumped, beaten and discredited as being a Troll,
G> Trouble Maker, Miscreant and anything else to deny the possibility
G> of a proper vote being conducted which just might change the
G> outcome of the previous event.

[Snipped]

Don't hold your breathe waiting for that to happen. Let's just all hope that natural selection has culled the chaff and that now the wheat can grow even better.

 

[Jack D. Russell, Sr.]

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup: alt.comp.freeware
* Reply to: All; "Susan Bugher" <[email protected]>
* Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:50:42 -0500
* Subj: Re: Add Gaim to pricelessware
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[Snipped]

SB> Nice of you to take the time to fan those dying embers. Peace
SB> might break out if you weren't so vigilant. . .

Pot...kettle...black.

 

[Jack D. Russell, Sr.]

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
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* Reply to: All; "Garrett" <[email protected]>
* Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:56:10 -0500
* Subj: Re: Add Gaim to pricelessware
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G> Susan Bugher wrote:


G> If it was a no-brainer as you say, then why did you even conduct a
G> little vote at all?

G> And the reasons to move the site have never been made clear,
G> except for the fact that you did not want to work with Genna
G> anymore. And that is not a good enough reason at all.

SB>> Nice of you to take the time to fan those dying embers. Peace
SB>> might break out if you weren't so vigilant. . .
SB>>
SB>> Susan

G> Nice of you to also jump in to flame the embers. Peace might
G> break out if you were to stop jumping in on such threads also.

Do as she says, not as she does, don'tcha know. Ignore 'em. They'll go away eventually.