Acf Wiki - ideas please

[Martin DeMello]

I hadn't thought of visitors doing "repairs". That would help. The "if

In practice, a wiki works very nicely that way, especially since most of
them will give you a reverse-chronological list of recent changes.

martin

 

[Roger Johansson]

In practice, a wiki works very nicely that way, especially since most of
them will give you a reverse-chronological list of recent changes.

I read a very interesting article somewhere about this "anarchistic"
editing and why it very seldom leads to spamming.

To edit a wiki page you need to learn a few basic rules, and that sorts
out a lot of spamming to begin with.
The spammers are too lazy to work with a wiki, it is so much easier to
publish lots of spam messages on usenet, or via email.

When somebody actually does something bad on purpose it is fairly easy
for the good people to restore it, either by rolling back the changes or
somebody else who fixes the faults.

I think wikis will become a lot more common in the future, as it allows
lots of people to cooperate in a very natural way.

 

[H.M.A. (Dick) Hazeleger]

Good grief Charlie Brown. I think you're reading at jet speed. This
is a *pre-draft* discussion. Mark offered to prepare a draft message
along the lines that Henk suggested (see above) and submit it for
comments.

Ill-founded blanket objections are less than helpful. You endorsed
the idea. Do you want the idea to remain an idea or become a reality?

After many posts in this and other threads saying it would be good to
have something Mark volunteered to do something to get the ball
rolling.

IMO that calls for cheering, not sniping.

Susan

Hi Susan,

Yes, I endorsed the idea; and I still do... but like I wrote in my
previous message: Not so fast...! Give others a few days time to think
about it, and possibly to respond on it. Why this haste Suasan? Again:
We don't all live in time zone UTC (GMT) -5. Why not spend five days to
discuss the thing (and then I mean really discussion, without throwing
personal attacks at people's head who don't agree, from the first
letter you write, with you) and make it really a group effort that way?

I cannot explain your remarks about "Ill-founded blanket objections"
and "sniping" other than giving it the good old "If you're not with me,
then you must be..." approach... a pity, Susan, talking about 'sniping'.

Dick

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan Bugher wrote:

Hi Dick,

We seem to be talking at cross-purposes. I'll try again. Apologies for
the cranky tone of my previous response.

I snipped everything above with the exception of Mark's offer to prepare
a draft. My point was that we can't discuss a draft until it's been written.

I see Henk has written a draft and posted it in the "[VP]
alt.comp.freeware information" thread. Let the discussion begin.

Okay?

Susan

 

[Mark Carter]

Yes, I endorsed the idea; and I still do... but like I wrote in my

previous message: Not so fast...! Give others a few days time to think
about it, and possibly to respond on it. Why this haste Suasan? Again:
We don't all live in time zone UTC (GMT) -5. Why not spend five days to
discuss the thing (and then I mean really discussion,

From a personal point-of-view, I'm not seeking to claim possession of
the contents of the message. I'm quite willing to let the group decide.
However, I don't particularly want to be in the midst of the fray.

What I propose to do, therefore, is to refrain from drafting a copy, and
keep posting the current message for now. When it's clear that some kind
of consensus is reached, I will post that version.

To aid the drafting process, I've entered the current text on the wiki:
http://www.markcarter.me.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WeeklyPosting
Feel free to edit it. I probably wont make any edits myself (unless it's
to remove defamatory or inappropriate material). Also, you are advised
to take a copy of any text you submit. Others are liable to overwrite it.

Let the mayhem begin.

 

[H.M.A. (Dick) Hazeleger]

Susan Bugher wrote:

Hi Dick,

We seem to be talking at cross-purposes. I'll try again. Apologies
for the cranky tone of my previous response.

I snipped everything above with the exception of Mark's offer to
prepare a draft. My point was that we can't discuss a draft until
it's been written.

I see Henk has written a draft and posted it in the "[VP]
alt.comp.freeware information" thread. Let the discussion begin.

Okay?

Susan

Hi Susan,

No offence taken, so far!

Yes, I noticed that post by Mark; and frankly... that is what set me
off. There was no announcement that this was a piece for discussion...
nope, it was labeled [VP] and contained the full thing... as if it were
the final. IMO, a group can only discuss matters like these when they
are given the information, and the time, to discuss it.

As it seems, we do have the information now (together with a suggestion
by Henk), now the only thing is: How long do we have the time? 2, 3,
5, or 7 days? Don't get me wrong, there is no cynism in this question,
I (and possibly a few thousand others) really want to know how long we
have to respond to this.

I agree, let's go overthere and join the discussion there.

Regards to all,
Dick

 

[H.M.A. (Dick) Hazeleger]

From a personal point-of-view, I'm not seeking to claim possession of
the contents of the message. I'm quite willing to let the group
decide. However, I don't particularly want to be in the midst of the
fray.

What I propose to do, therefore, is to refrain from drafting a copy,
and keep posting the current message for now. When it's clear that
some kind of consensus is reached, I will post that version.

To aid the drafting process, I've entered the current text on the
wiki: http://www.markcarter.me.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WeeklyPosting
Feel free to edit it. I probably wont make any edits myself (unless
it's to remove defamatory or inappropriate material). Also, you are
advised to take a copy of any text you submit. Others are liable to
overwrite it.

Let the mayhem begin.

Hi Mark,

I hope you didn't take the above post personal, since it wasn't meant
that way. I just stumbled over your [VP] marked post, and was a bit
p.o'ed because we're still discussing the whole thing here in this
thread.

Whatever happens at the WiKi, the place to discuss ACF matters is...
here, in ACF! So let's get over to you message (with Henk's reply) and
let's discuss it... And I don't think it will be 'mayhem', just
'chaotic' <grin>.

See you in the other thread
Regards
Dick

 

[Mark Carter]

I hope you didn't take the above post personal,

None taken.

I just stumbled over your [VP] marked post, and was a bit
p.o'ed because we're still discussing the whole thing here in this
thread.

Sure. Consider what I have done as an interim proposal. At least we've
got /something/ going.

The big question is how the the final text will be decided on. Perhaps
we need a set of rules, or something. Maybe the rules could be generic
enough to apply to many similar situations, like what the slogan for
Pricelessware should be called. Now I know that that specific issue
might already have been decided upon (?); I'm just giving an example.

 

[Susan Bugher]

As it seems, we do have the information now (together with a suggestion
by Henk), now the only thing is: How long do we have the time? 2, 3,
5, or 7 days? Don't get me wrong, there is no cynism in this question,
I (and possibly a few thousand others) really want to know how long we
have to respond to this.

IMO it's an open ended discussion - there's no urgency about this. We
usually discuss things until we reach a consensus - however long that
takes.

I agree, let's go overthere and join the discussion there.

See you in the other thread.

Susan