"Your Copy of Windows Is Not Genuine" message popping up

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Chris May

A message suddenly started popping up that my XP is not genuine, although it
definitely is. I finally downloaded and successfully ran the Windows Validation
Tool from Microsoft and got the end message that I was running a valid copy of
Windows. However, after I rebooted, the "Your Copy of Windows Is Not Genuine"
message popped up again. All this time, there was a symbol in my system tray
that looked like a hub and spokes without a wheel.

The warning and symbol weren't there after I rebooted a second time. But I'm
wondering what could cause something like that to happen. A 100% valid
installation of Windows XP should NEVER get that warning. That's tantamount to
falsely accusing somebody of a crime, which is a suable offense.

ChrisM
 
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Alias~-

Chris said:
A message suddenly started popping up that my XP is not genuine, although it
definitely is. I finally downloaded and successfully ran the Windows Validation
Tool from Microsoft and got the end message that I was running a valid copy of
Windows. However, after I rebooted, the "Your Copy of Windows Is Not Genuine"
message popped up again. All this time, there was a symbol in my system tray
that looked like a hub and spokes without a wheel.

The warning and symbol weren't there after I rebooted a second time. But I'm
wondering what could cause something like that to happen. A 100% valid
installation of Windows XP should NEVER get that warning. That's tantamount to
falsely accusing somebody of a crime, which is a suable offense.

ChrisM

What's worse is that WPA and WGA/N don't stop piracy one iota or prevent
pirates from getting security updates. It does provide a lot of Indians
and Pakistanis with work though.

Alias
 
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Rock

Chris May said:
A message suddenly started popping up that my XP is not genuine, although
it
definitely is. I finally downloaded and successfully ran the Windows
Validation
Tool from Microsoft and got the end message that I was running a valid
copy of
Windows. However, after I rebooted, the "Your Copy of Windows Is Not
Genuine"
message popped up again. All this time, there was a symbol in my system
tray
that looked like a hub and spokes without a wheel.

The warning and symbol weren't there after I rebooted a second time. But
I'm
wondering what could cause something like that to happen. A 100% valid
installation of Windows XP should NEVER get that warning. That's
tantamount to
falsely accusing somebody of a crime, which is a suable offense.

ChrisM


Is it working ok now? Lol..sue them.
 
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Leythos

ChrisM@shangri- said:
A message suddenly started popping up that my XP is not genuine, although it
definitely is. I finally downloaded and successfully ran the Windows Validation
Tool from Microsoft and got the end message that I was running a valid copy of
Windows. However, after I rebooted, the "Your Copy of Windows Is Not Genuine"
message popped up again. All this time, there was a symbol in my system tray
that looked like a hub and spokes without a wheel.

The warning and symbol weren't there after I rebooted a second time. But I'm
wondering what could cause something like that to happen. A 100% valid
installation of Windows XP should NEVER get that warning. That's tantamount to
falsely accusing somebody of a crime, which is a suable offense.

So, sue them and see where it gets you.

Your copy of XP, while it is legit, may have a key that's been shared
with many others, causing it to me assumed as pirated.

So, sue MS and see where that gets you.
 
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Alias~-

Leythos said:
So, sue them and see where it gets you.

How helpful.
Your copy of XP, while it is legit, may have a key that's been shared
with many others, causing it to me assumed as pirated.

How helpful. It does prove, however, that WGA is flawed and only hurts
paying customers while the pirates just crack away and laugh. It does
provide a lot of Indians, Pakistanis and South Americans with jobs though.
So, sue MS and see where that gets you.

Is there an echo in here?

Alias
 
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Leythos

How helpful.

I only agreed with the statements - so, he has a second to his opinion.
How helpful. It does prove, however, that WGA is flawed and only hurts
paying customers while the pirates just crack away and laugh. It does
provide a lot of Indians, Pakistanis and South Americans with jobs though.

No, what it proves is that someone came here, posted what was written,
and we have no more information about it. No logs, no data, no results
of the test, etc...
Is there an echo in here?

Yes, and it's from you.
 
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Mike Holder

Download "Magic Jelly bean keyfinder". Compare the key that it displays with
your COA.
 
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Kerry Brown

If the OP has a pc from a large OEM like Dell, HP, Gateway, eMachines, etc.
the keys will probably not match. The factory install and subsequent
reinstalls using the restore to factory option use a master key that doesn't
need to be activated.
 
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Chris May

| If the OP has a pc from a large OEM like Dell, HP, Gateway, eMachines, etc.
| the keys will probably not match. The factory install and subsequent
| reinstalls using the restore to factory option use a master key that doesn't
| need to be activated.

The key is one I originally input when I bought and installed an Upgrade copy of
XP Home on October 25, 2001. I've been through re-installations as I upgraded
my computer several times, installation of SP1 and then SP2, and current
critical Windows updates. Hardware changes have "tilted" XP a few times causing
a need for reactivation. But this is the first time Windows has produced a
message implying that I'm a crook. That's indefensible by any reasonable
measure.

At any rate, there doesn't seem to have been any disagreement over the key. The
Windows Validation Tool was satisfied with what it found, and I didn't have to
re-input the key. But the question remains: why did the unwarranted popup occur
to start with, and why did it persist for a while even after the Windows
Validation Tool had been run and the computer rebooted following a favorable
outcome?

ChrisM
 
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Mistoffolees

Chris May wrote:

The key is one I originally input when I bought and installed an Upgrade copy of
XP Home on October 25, 2001. I've been through re-installations as I upgraded
my computer several times, installation of SP1 and then SP2, and current
critical Windows updates. Hardware changes have "tilted" XP a few times causing
a need for reactivation. But this is the first time Windows has produced a
message implying that I'm a crook. That's indefensible by any reasonable
measure.

At any rate, there doesn't seem to have been any disagreement over the key. The
Windows Validation Tool was satisfied with what it found, and I didn't have to
re-input the key. But the question remains: why did the unwarranted popup occur
to start with, and why did it persist for a while even after the Windows
Validation Tool had been run and the computer rebooted following a favorable
outcome?

ChrisM


Why? Because the critical numbers that are read from the
Product ID that was generated by the Product Key when XP
was installed and reported to a MS database on activation
has shown up in excess of some arbitrary number determined
by Microsoft. The real fault with WPA is that it is neither
discrete nor unique to any single machine.
 
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Kerry Brown

I've seen corrupted user profiles cause WGAN to function intermittantly.
Logon with one user and WGAN pops up, with a different user it doesn't.
Sometimes the act of logging off and then back on can fix it. Sometimes you
have to create a new user then copy the old profile to the new one. If you
change any of the default NTFS permissions in the user profile it seems to
trigger this as well. I don't know if it's a bug but it is weird when it
happens. Logon, your a crook, logoff then logon with a different user you're
not :)
 
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Donald L McDaniel

So, sue them and see where it gets you.

Your copy of XP, while it is legit, may have a key that's been shared
with many others, causing it to me assumed as pirated.

In that case, it WOULD be pirated, sir. Or at least those who passed
the key out would be the pirates.

This is why it is important to always purchase copies of Windows from
a reputable dealer.

One will never have to worry if he purchases a Retail copy from
someone like Amazon or Microsoft itself, rather than an OEM copy, or a
copy from a fly-by-night retailer.
So, sue MS and see where that gets you.

Sue them for what? For software which is not working as it should?
Sue them because you were offended? I'm sure you yourself offend
others, as we all do. It's not possible to avoid offending others.
Someone is always going to be offended, no matter how hard we try not
to.

If it were a crime to offend others, one would have a case to sue all
manufacturers of defective software for false advertising, or your
neighbor for using foul language in front of your children or wife.

Get over it, sir. It's working as it should now, so why complain?
Complain to Microsoft if you must. That is the only way it will ever
be improved.

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Donald L McDaniel

| If the OP has a pc from a large OEM like Dell, HP, Gateway, eMachines, etc.
| the keys will probably not match. The factory install and subsequent
| reinstalls using the restore to factory option use a master key that doesn't
| need to be activated.

The key is one I originally input when I bought and installed an Upgrade copy of
XP Home on October 25, 2001. I've been through re-installations as I upgraded
my computer several times, installation of SP1 and then SP2, and current
critical Windows updates. Hardware changes have "tilted" XP a few times causing
a need for reactivation. But this is the first time Windows has produced a
message implying that I'm a crook. That's indefensible by any reasonable
measure.

If that is how you want to interpret the results of a software
program, that is your choice. But no software package is perfect, my
friend.

Windows validation is relatively new to Microosoft. It will take time
to remove all the bugs. Be patient, and don't be easily offended.
Apparently, you need a harder skin.
At any rate, there doesn't seem to have been any disagreement over the key. The
Windows Validation Tool was satisfied with what it found, and I didn't have to
re-input the key. But the question remains: why did the unwarranted popup occur
to start with, and why did it persist for a while even after the Windows
Validation Tool had been run and the computer rebooted following a favorable
outcome?

Because it is new software. All new software has to be shaken out,
and the bugs discovered and removed. This takes time.

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Donald L McDaniel
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Alias~-

Donald said:
This is why it is important to always purchase copies of Windows from
a reputable dealer.

One will never have to worry if he purchases a Retail copy from
someone like Amazon or Microsoft itself, rather than an OEM copy, or a
copy from a fly-by-night retailer.

I have three generic OEM copies of XP and all three have passed WPA and
all the flavors of WGA, so you were saying? Keys for Retail copies can
be stolen just as easily as generic OEM versions so why are you
recommending Retail as a way to "never have to worry"?

Where I live, for the price of a Retail *upgrade* version, I can get
three generic OEM versions with change. Your advice is not good, sir.

Alias
 
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Alias~-

Donald said:
If that is how you want to interpret the results of a software
program, that is your choice. But no software package is perfect, my
friend.

But this particular software is of no benefit to the end user and only
benefits MS. Why should paying customers be forced to test MS' new software?
Windows validation is relatively new to Microosoft. It will take time
to remove all the bugs. Be patient, and don't be easily offended.
Apparently, you need a harder skin.

But this particular software is of no benefit to the end user and only
benefits MS. Why should paying customers be forced to test MS' new software?
Because it is new software. All new software has to be shaken out,
and the bugs discovered and removed. This takes time.

But this particular software is of no benefit to the end user and only
benefits MS. Why should paying customers be forced to test MS' new software?

Alias
 
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Chris May

| >The key is one I originally input when I bought and installed an Upgrade copy of
| >XP Home on October 25, 2001. I've been through re-installations as I upgraded
| >my computer several times, installation of SP1 and then SP2, and current
| >critical Windows updates. Hardware changes have "tilted" XP a few times causing
| >a need for reactivation. But this is the first time Windows has produced a
| >message implying that I'm a crook. That's indefensible by any reasonable
| >measure.
|
| If that is how you want to interpret the results of a software
| program, that is your choice. But no software package is perfect, my
| friend.

If it's not ready for prime time, don't release it. The software engineers at
Microsoft are supposed to be the experts. If they aren't capable of doing
things correctly in this area, who is?

| Because it is new software. All new software has to be shaken out,
| and the bugs discovered and removed. This takes time.

So get the bugs out and then release the software.

ChrisM
 
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Chris May

| >So, sue MS and see where that gets you.
|
| Sue them for what? For software which is not working as it should?
| Sue them because you were offended? I'm sure you yourself offend
| others, as we all do. It's not possible to avoid offending others.
| Someone is always going to be offended, no matter how hard we try not
| to.
|
| If it were a crime to offend others, one would have a case to sue all
| manufacturers of defective software for false advertising, or your
| neighbor for using foul language in front of your children or wife.

Depending on what's said and where it's said, use of foul language in front of
children might be a criminal offense.

Accusing somebody of wrongdoing when there's no truth in the accusation can make
the accuser civilly liable. Merely offending somebody isn't necessarily a
suable offense. Your smug, holier-than-thou posts here offend me a great deal.
But I haven't detected that you've crossed the line to a clear point of civil
liability. If I called you a pompous ass, I might be crossing that line. So I
won't. But I am perfectly safe in saying it's my opinion that you sound like
one.

ChrisM
 
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Ghostrider

Donald said:
If that is how you want to interpret the results of a software
program, that is your choice. But no software package is perfect, my
friend.

Windows validation is relatively new to Microosoft. It will take time
to remove all the bugs. Be patient, and don't be easily offended.
Apparently, you need a harder skin.




Because it is new software. All new software has to be shaken out,
and the bugs discovered and removed. This takes time.

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread,
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The issue isn't really about imperfections in Windows XP but the
methodology of the Windows Product Activation process and the
Windows Genuine Advantage process. There is no reason for Microsoft
to insinuate that any purchaser of a legitimate version of Windows
(or any other Microsoft product) should be labeled a "crook" without
proper due process nor should any user of Windows be denied all of
the legitimate warranties and guarantees which are due he/she based
on the EULA agreed upon between Microsoft and him/her. Moreover, no
other companies or organizations seem to have encountered issues with
the activation and/or registration of its products of/for its clients.
This process is nothing new at all and the concept has been thoroughly
utilized for eons.
 
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Donald L McDaniel

But this particular software is of no benefit to the end user and only
benefits MS. Why should paying customers be forced to test MS' new software?


But this particular software is of no benefit to the end user and only
benefits MS. Why should paying customers be forced to test MS' new software?


But this particular software is of no benefit to the end user and only
benefits MS. Why should paying customers be forced to test MS' new software?

Alias

And? Does not Microsoft have the right to benefit itself? Why should
all software benefit the end user? If you don't like WGA, don't use
it. For that matter, if you don't like Microsoft's business
practices, don't use their software. And it IS their software. We
only have a license to use it. Microsoft has the right to make
changes for what ever reason to their software at any time, as the
EULA plainly states.

Don't like the terms, don't install the software.

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Donald L McDaniel
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Donald L McDaniel

| >So, sue MS and see where that gets you.
|
| Sue them for what? For software which is not working as it should?
| Sue them because you were offended? I'm sure you yourself offend
| others, as we all do. It's not possible to avoid offending others.
| Someone is always going to be offended, no matter how hard we try not
| to.
|
| If it were a crime to offend others, one would have a case to sue all
| manufacturers of defective software for false advertising, or your
| neighbor for using foul language in front of your children or wife.

Depending on what's said and where it's said, use of foul language in front of
children might be a criminal offense.

Accusing somebody of wrongdoing when there's no truth in the accusation can make
the accuser civilly liable.
Actually, Chris, Microsoft is not accusing anyone. It is merely
stating that to its software, it appears that certain CD keys are not
legitimate. If Microsoft wanted to, they could take those to court,
in which case, they would have to prove that the user has deliberately
violated its EULA. Or, if the user chose to, he could take Microsoft
to court and demand that they prove their software is correct in its
findings (I will not say "judgment" or "opinion", since only human
beings can make judgments or have opinions. A software program is
only ones and zeroes, and can only compare ones and zeroes with other
ones and zeroes.)

When WGA encounters what it "deems" an error (according to its current
instructions), it can only make a logical/numerical comparison with
other ones and zeros. So "Microsoft" is not making any such
"judgment" or "accusation", since a "program" is not Microsoft, or
even a corporation, and as such, cannot make judgments or accusations.
Microsoft can only "make accusations" via living human beings (eg.
lawyers), in open court.
Merely offending somebody isn't necessarily a
suable offense. Your smug, holier-than-thou posts here offend me a great deal.
But I haven't detected that you've crossed the line to a clear point of civil
liability. If I called you a pompous ass, I might be crossing that line. So I
won't.

But you just did, Chris, and are unwilling to admit it. In other
words, you are trying to deceive the public into thinking good about
you, and evil about me, in a round-about way. Go right ahead, sir. It
is not offensive to me, since I to do the same thing from time to
time.

But you are actually attempting to justify your own accusation. And
doing a very poor job, at that.
But I am perfectly safe in saying it's my opinion that you sound like
one.

ChrisM

Well, Chris, you certainly have the right to your opinions. I would
not dream of attempting to violate that right. And you do not offend
me. Love is not easily offended, as St. Paul tells us. Perhaps you
need a little more love for God and your neighbor.

I don't even believe that calling me a pompous ass would be an
actionable offense, if that is your choice. Our legislators do it all
the time to each other. I doubt seriously whether the Supreme Court
would find that such language is beyond the pale of our First
Amendment rights -- unless, of course, it was accompanied with a swing
to my face, in which case I would definitely be within my rights to
protect myself.

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Donald L McDaniel
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