Xpress Recovery2 -The Saga nearly ended!

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Anna

oldgit929 said:
I think I have the solution to the problem of using Xpress Recovery2 on
Gigabyte motherboards. I use it for quick re-installs of the OS and all
my other programs to save re-installation each time. 6 hours or 12
minutes? You decide. Also, to find out how much space you need,
right-click 'My Computer', select 'properties', and the amount USED on
that partition is the size of the backup. Double it to be safe in the
future. Anyway, here's my story!

I installed Windows XP SP2, loaded all required motherboard drivers,
and performed any and all Windows Updates. I installed all the programs
I usually load from scratch, and any useful new ones I found on the
internet. When I was happy, I tried running XPress Recovery2.
It failed to run, saying there was not enough room on the HD. Like
most people getting the same message, this confused me, as I was using a
500GB drive, but only 40GB was being utilised as the system disk, as I
have found this is plenty. With the 200GB Data partition I had set up, I
was using 240GB which left 225GB unallocated. Not enough space on the HD
was just silly, so I started to look elsewhere.
I disconnected my second HD (another 500GB) and my second CD/DVD
drive. I even unplugged my card-reader from it's USB port, and tried
again. Same message.
This is no longer silly, I thought, Just plain stupid. I know it
CAN work, as I built a system for my stepson and that worked first time.
What was different? We used an IDE CD/DVD RW on his system, with a 160GB
Sata HD. Then I had THE brainwave.
I went into the bios and found the SATA CD/DVD drive was showing as
SLAVE on IDE 0.
The SATA HD was showing as MASTER on IDE 0. I moved the CD/DVD's
cable over to another Sata port (MASTER on IDE 2 it turned out) and
re-tried the backup. IT WORKED.

I deleted the backup I'd just made (loopy, but I was incensed by
now!) using the REMOVE option of Xpress Recovery2, and tried again with
all the drives re-attached, BUT KEEPING CLEAR OF 'SLAVE ON IDE 0'. IT
WORKED AGAIN.
I deleted this backup (!!!), and tried the CD in my second CD/DVD
drive (Slave on IDE 1), but I then pressed F9 by mistake during POST
instead of waiting for the 'Run From Disk' prompt. It worked OK again,
so the CD was no longer needed, but I wanted to run it from the CD to be
sure so I deleted it (again!!!). This time I ran it from the CD/DVD
drive. It worked again, but I cannot be sure if it actually ran from the
CD or not. Anyway, I was fed up by this time, so I left the backup on my
drive and made a second Data partition of 200GB on the first HD,
labelled E:.
So as it stands, I have a SATA 500GB main drive partitioned as...
C: 40GB Windows & Installed Programs
D: 200GB Data Disk1
E: 200GB Data Disk2
25GB Unallocated of which just under 10GB is used by Xpress
Recovery2 at the moment, which leaves 15GB spare in case of future
requirements.
A second SATA 500GB HD partitioned as...
F: 195GB Data Disk3
G: 270GB Data Disk4
Two SATA CD/DVD RW H: and I:, 1 Card Reader (USB) showing as
J:,K:,L:, & M.
Pendrives and camera tag on the end as and when needed.

I tried the backup out by re-formatting the C: directory by
connecting the drive into my Stepsons system, then re-connected the
drive to my PC then turned it on (I HAD TO KNOW!!!).
I pressed F9 during POST, selected INSTALL and 12 minutes later I
had a system up and running complete with all my programs and settings
intact. (12 MINUTES!!!).
I then realised a potential problem in the future, and so made
drive D: my Documents location by right-clicking the 'MY DOCUMENTS'
icon, selecting 'PROPERTIES' and typing 'D:\My Documents' into the
'TARGET' box, then clicking on 'MOVE'. No-one else uses my PC, but if
they did they would need to move their 'MY DOCUMENTS' folders also,
using the same method.
By storing everything important in the 'MY DOCUMENTS' folder on
another partition or drive, (using suitably named sub-folders of
course), that data stays safe even when you re-install the system. It
also makes backing up your files to a separate drive or DVD very simple.
I then deleted and remade the backup (Yet Again !!!) using Xpress
Recovery2 so the 'MY DOCUMENTS' icon points to the correct location when
re-installed.
You, of course, would do this BEFORE your first and only time of
creating your backup, especially after reading this tale of woe.
Et Voila!! Job Done.
The actual backup took only 15 minutes for 9.75GB.
I think this is because my drives are SATA II.
SATA I or PATA drives by definition must run slower.


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oldgit...
Let me make it clear at the outset that if you believe this Xpress Recovery2
program fulfills your needs in terms of a establishing & maintaining a
comprehensive backup & recovery program...so be it. Each user must determine
for himself/herself which type of backup/recovery program best meets their
particular needs.

My comments that follow are based on my recent (limited) experience with
that XR2 program when I had occasion to build a system with a Gigabyte
motherboard. I've built or worked on a considerable number of Gigabyte-based
systems over the years but except for a brief acquaintance with the XR
program some years ago (I think it might have been the original XR program)
I've really never worked with it until now. The only reason I now did so was
because of the comments of "Mickey Mouse" who also touted the program during
some posts we exchanged concerning comprehensive backup/recovery programs. I
believe you also had an exchange of posts with "Mickey". You've probably
come across my posts in which I'm particularly partial to the Casper 5
disk-cloning program for the great majority of users who are looking for a
comprehensive backup type of program.

I'm not commenting on the initial difficulty you apparently had in setting
up the XR2 program. I really can't understand how the Master/Slave settings
or the installation of secondary HDDs and/or other storage devices impacted
on the installation problem you encountered. Obviously the program is
designed to be installed on the boot volume and I'm assuming your SATA HDD
containing the OS was (is) connected to the motherboard's first SATA
connector.

1. First of all potential users should understand that this is a program
designed (integrated) for Gigabyte motherboards. The program is installed
through the Gigabyte motherboard's installation CD. I doubt that the program
is available as a standalone program that can be used in non-Gigabyte based
systems but I don't know that for sure.

2. The user must set up "unallocated" disk space in order for the program to
function. This can be accomplished when the XP OS is fresh-installed during
the setup process or later through a disk management type of program, e.g.,
Partition Magic, EASEUS Partition Manager, etc. Upon the user invoking the
backup process the program will backup the contents of the boot volume to
this unallocated space creating a non-standard "EISA Configuration"
partition in the process.

3. While the program recommends that (initially) 10 GB of unallocated disk
space be available for the program, it's actually necessary for the user to
take account of the programs/data he or she has installed on the program
following the installation of the XP OS. And even possibly project what
future needs will be in terms of disk space necessary to store future
backups.

4. So, as an example, let's say that following the installation of the OS,
the user had installed various programs, data, etc. so that the volume
contains 20 GB of total data. The user would might then set up say, 25 GB of
unallocated disk space.

5. The XR2 program would be installed via the Gigabyte installation CD.
Backing up those 20 GB of data (using a fairly high-end system) would take
about 1 hour 25 minutes based upon my experience. (Backing up a number of
systems we averaged about 170 MB/minute data transfer speed). It's an
extremely slow backup process compared with other disk-cloning/disk-imaging
programs.

6. The program utilizes whatever disk space is needed to contain the
backed-up contents within the unallocated disk space. So in this example
since the data contents of the initial backup total 20 GB a partition of
that size would be created and the remaining 5 GB would still be unallocated
disk space.

7. So let's say that by & by the OS becomes corrupted for one reason or
another and the system is unbootable. The user would then boot to the system
and at the Gigabyte splash screen presses the F9 key which triggers the XR2
program and the recovery process. The program would utilize the stored
backup data to restore the system as of the time of that backup data.

In my view there are some serious drawbacks in using this XR2 program as
one's routine backup program.
1. Probably the most serious is that the program is installed on the same
drive that will need to be restored. So the obvious question is "What if the
HDD fails. How can the data be restored?" Obviously it can't since the
backup program & its data is incorporated on the same drive.
2. The backup process is slow - excruciatingly slow. It's hard to imagine a
user would be encouraged to back up his/her system on a routine frequent
basis knowing that the process will take an inordinately long time to do so.
3. During the backup process the program creates a (non-standard) partition
that is sufficient in size *only* to hold the actual contents of the backup
data. So, for example, if the user originally set up 25 GB of unallocated
disk space and the backup data totals 18 GB of data, then the backup
partition will be created as an 18 GB partition. The remaining portion of
the original unallocated disk space would be 7 GB.
4. Thus it would be necessary that assuming the user desires a backup system
that's reasonably up-to-date in terms of his/her existing system, every time
program/data modifications are made to the system, e.g., installation of new
programs, manipulation of personal data, modification of system data,
additions, deletions of data, etc., etc., to back up the system at that
particular point-in-time. And given the time it takes for the XR2 program to
complete this process it's not something the average user would look forward
to undertaking in my view.
5. There would also be the probable future need for the user to change the
amount of unallocated disk space that the program requires to house the
backup data. If, for example, 25 GB of unallocated disk space was originally
established and now, because of program/data additions, the system contains
28 GB of total data, then the user would not be able to backup the existing
28 GB contents of the system. The user would need to set aside (at least) 28
GB of unallocated disk space to store the new amount of backup contents.
Thus the existing partition originally created by the XR2 program would need
to be deleted (along with its backup contents); the unallocated disk space
increased to at least 28 GB, and of course, a new backup would have to be
created . Making matters more complicated, the "EISA Configuration"
partition set up by the program to store the backup contents cannot be
deleted via the usual XP Disk Management snap-in utility. It would be
necessary to invoke the Diskpart (DOS) command accessed via the Command
window in order to do so and then establish the (new) necessary unallocated
disk space to hold the contents of the new backup (and project what disk
space will be needed to store future backups).

Anyway, if a user could live with the above limitations (at least
limitations as I view them), then he or she might want to install & use the
XR2 program in a Gigabyte-based system. Frankly I find the program wanting
in so many respects that I would be loathe to recommend it to the average
user. Especially since other comprehensive backup/restore/recovery programs
are available to users which I believe are substantially superior to the XR2
program.

On the other hand I suppose (as "Mickey Mouse" has pointed out) that there
are PC users who simply will not use a backup/recovery-type program of
virtually any type on any routine basis no matter how relatively simple that
program might be to use. Perhaps that type of user (assuming he or she has a
Gigabyte-based system) might be enticed to use the XR2 program after some
friend or acquaintance first installs the program and instructs the user
about pressing the F9 key to access the program for backup/recovery
purposes.
Anna
 
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Mickey Mouse

Hey Oldgit,
I agree with you. However, I've had to learn Acronis due to the amount of
pc's I come into
contact with that don't have Gigabyte Mobo's. XR2 is ideal for people who
don't want to learn
about Secure Zones, incremental etc.. Acronis is easy to use, but to be
familiar with all it's facets,
then there is quite a learning curve.
There really is no learning curve with XR2 as there is with programs like
Acronis. XR2's only real
drawback is that it uses the system drive for it's partition.
If you buy an HP system, or similar system that don't offer cd's for mobo
drivers and the drive fails,
well, you're in the crapper there too. If you're prepared to cop a failed
drive then XR2 is ideal for many.
I'm wondering if XR2 can be installed on a non-Gigabyte mobo, I haven't
tried?

Mickey
 
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Anna

oldgit929 said:
Hi Anna.
You seem to have missed the point of this program completely.
It is not meant to be used as a backup program as you think of it, it
is purely a means of re-installing the OS and any programs that you
would normally install from scratch every time you reformat your drive
for whatever reason.
I don't know what you consider a fast system, but as I stated
previously I backed up my system and all the essential programs (to me)
which in total was 9.75GB, in 15 minutes, and it installed onto my
system in 12 minutes.
It takes me longer than that sometimes to find all the disks containing
all the programs, never mind installing them.
It takes me 20+ minutes to just install windows, so I do not accept the
fact that it is a slow method of re-installing everything.
The idea behind this program is roughly the same as when you buy a
system and find there is no recovery disk, the recovery program is run
from the onboard HD. Except that YOU get to choose the other programs
that get installed, not the supplier of the system.
If you expect too much from this program, you will be let down.
If you get a viral infection or some other form of malware, it is
quicker to just re-install the system rather than try to get rid of the
problem, which if unsuccessful, or just to be certain, would probably
mean a re-install anyway.
Like I said before, 6 hours for a normal install with all the programs
needed, or 15 minutes to get back to the same position.
I'll take the 15 minutes any day.
I still perform backups of my DATA, which is the only part of my system
that changes on a regular basis. This is all backed up onto my other HD
daily, and monthly onto DVD.
My system, by the way, is an Intel E8400 @ 3.6ghz, 2GB Corsair XMS2
6400 C4 DDR2, Gigabyte EP45-DS3R, Windows XP PRO SP2, Geforce 8400 GS
256mb @ 650/600 GPU/Mem and yes it is quite a fast system, but by no
means exceptional. If you find it slow then you are not using SATA II
Drives.
It does the job it is meant to do, not what other people think it
should do.
It comes bundled free with the motherboard. It is far more useful than
some software that is bundled, or as I call it, got rid of, with some
motherboards.
I do not work for Gigabyte, by the way, I just hate to see a very
useable and indeed quite useful (in context) program get slammed, which
could put off potential users who would benefit from it. Yes, this time
I had a bit of a job getting it to work, but last time I used it, on my
stepsons PC, it worked a treat. My system is quite a bit more
complicated than his, and his is more representative of the sort of PC
(and owner) this program is aimed at. If I had only installed one HD and
one CD/DVD RW, then I would probably not have had a problem at all.
Anyway, whatever anyone else thinks, this is purely my own opinion. I
say, let people try things for themselves and come to their own
conclusions. They'll either like it or loathe it. And if they get stuck,
they can come here on this forum, and be helped by informed people to
sort themselves out.
Nice talking to you, and sorry for going on a bit. Old age can do that
to you, wait and see.
TTFN
Oldgit.


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Oldgit:
As you probably know from previous posts I'm a strong proponent of the
Casper 5 disk-cloning program. I've worked with a fairly large variety of
comprehensive backup programs over the years and I find that program
superior for the large majority of PC users in terms of simplicity of use
(there's virtually no learning-curve), general effectiveness, and perhaps
most of all...speed of backup operations when the program is used (as it
should be used) on a routine frequent basis so that a user's system is
always or nearly always backed up on a current basis.

You mentioned that using the XR2 program you were able to back up 9.75 GB of
data in 15 minutes. Using the Casper 5 program (again, on a routine basis)
it would probably take you two (2) minutes or less to perform that backup.
Surely this is a great incentive for a user to undertake frequent backups of
his/her system knowing that the process will take only a modest amount of
time.

In my previous post I laid out my reasons why I believe that by & large the
XR2 program is a poor choice as a comprehensive backup program for most PC
users (notwithstanding that the program is designed solely for
Gigabyte-based systems). Obviously this is my opinion based upon my
experience with the program.

I am not trying to "slam" the XR2 program. As I indicated at the beginning
of my last post describing my experience with the XR2 program each user has
to determine for him or herself what best meets their backup needs. If you
or anyone else feels this or that program is "right" for you, so be it.
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Mickey Mouse said:
Hey Oldgit,
I agree with you. However, I've had to learn Acronis due to the amount of
pc's I come into
contact with that don't have Gigabyte Mobo's. XR2 is ideal for people who
don't want to learn
about Secure Zones, incremental etc.. Acronis is easy to use, but to be
familiar with all it's facets,
then there is quite a learning curve.
There really is no learning curve with XR2 as there is with programs like
Acronis. XR2's only real
drawback is that it uses the system drive for it's partition.
If you buy an HP system, or similar system that don't offer cd's for mobo
drivers and the drive fails,
well, you're in the crapper there too. If you're prepared to cop a failed
drive then XR2 is ideal for many.
I'm wondering if XR2 can be installed on a non-Gigabyte mobo, I haven't
tried?

Mickey


Hi Mickey.
I got lost in the ether for a bit there,but am back with some news.
I installed Windows XP SP3 on my old rig.

ECS M810DLU motherboard
AMD Athlon XP 2200+ @1.8 GHz
512mb PC3200 Samsung Ram (1 Stick)
80Gb Maxtor IDE HD configured 60Gb system/20Gb unallocated
Philips DVD ROM
Onboard SiS 650_651_M650_740 Graphics
Onboard sound

I installed all the motherboard drivers etc.
I installed some music files, and a few programs to try out.
I put my CD from my Gigabyte EP45-DS3R into the optical drive.
I re-booted my system, pressing <F9> during POST.

XPress Recovery2 started up, and let me back-up my system!

It was a bit long-winded, but the HD is only IDE so I expected that.
I removed the CD, added some other files, and re-booted, pressing <F9> again
during POST. The system just booted normally, ignoring the key-press.
I tried a few times to be sure, then inserted the CD again.
With the CD in, I could again get into XPress Recovery2, and the <RESTORE>
option was showing, so I tried it.
It started to restore the drive, and it took <10 minutes to end.(8Gb data)
The CD ejected just like it should, and the system re-booted.
It had worked. Everything was as it should be, and any files I had added after the
back-up had disappeared.
So the answer to your query seems to be, YES, it can be used on other machines,
with the caveat that a copy of the CD needs to be inserted during re-install.
Hope this is useful to you.
Oldgit.
 

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