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Unknown
MS doesn't disagree------they want your $49.
Dustin Cook said:
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Gary S. Terhune
Microsoft is wrong about a LOT of things.
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Bruce Chambers
Dustin said:
Well, Microsoft *is* a business, after all. Why should they miss an
opportunity to separate fools from their money, when others are already
preying on the fears of the technically ignorant? We can only hope that
Microsoft's offering, coming as it does from the OS manufacturer, is
likely to be less harmful than such products offered by 3rd parties.
Why I don't use registry cleaners
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643
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Bruce Chambers
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
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Ken Blake
Microsoft is a company made up of many thousands of different people, with
different skill levels, different strengths, different weaknesses, and
different responsibilities. They certainly don't all have the same views on
everything. Those people with responsibility for marketing of software may
disagree, because their interest is selling you software that does this, but
Mark Russinovich, one of the most respected technical names at Microsoft,
happens to agree that registry cleaners should *not* be used.
I'm not using my home computer at the moment, and don't have a link handy to
the page in which Russinovich talks about this subject, but I hope someone
else here will post it.
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Gary S. Terhune
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db.·.. >
1) Microsoft is the absolute
source of information pertaining
to windows. all others is secondary.
2) their registry cleaner is a free
online safety scanner, therefore
there is no marketing or selling.
3) the fact is that the registry can be
cleaned and defrag'd. therefore, it
can be done at the discretion and
convenience of each windows user.
4) To utilize your argument:
Russinovich skill levels do not match
those of the software engineers that
created the One Care system.
In fact if Russinovich believed the
registry should be left alone, he
should not have created a utility
to defrag the registry hive.
source of information pertaining
to windows. all others is secondary.
2) their registry cleaner is a free
online safety scanner, therefore
there is no marketing or selling.
3) the fact is that the registry can be
cleaned and defrag'd. therefore, it
can be done at the discretion and
convenience of each windows user.
4) To utilize your argument:
Russinovich skill levels do not match
those of the software engineers that
created the One Care system.
In fact if Russinovich believed the
registry should be left alone, he
should not have created a utility
to defrag the registry hive.
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Gary S. Terhune
db.·.. > said:
That's a total crock, Idiot.
Here is is in words of two sylables, max, so maybe you'll understand Idiot:
Free Windows tools equals "good will", equals more sales equals more money.
Got it?
Fact is that they are sold (or given away for reasons selfless and not at
all selfless) as ways for "AVERAGE USERS" to "tune up or fix their PCs. Fact
is, they do nothing of the sort. It's a HUGE LIE!!!
Of course, you're no dobt one of those people who claims caveat emptor".
Well, when you SELL crap by making TOTALLY BOGUS CLAIMS, that amounts to
FRAUD!
Of course every user has the right to do what they want to their computer.
This discussion isn't about that. It's about whether OneCare Registry
Cleaner is bogus, dangerous crap or not. It is.
ROTFLMAO!!!!! THAT is a TOTAL load of BS! Those OneCare programmers don't
even come close to the skill levels of most of the rest of Microsoft's
programmers, let alone those of Russinovich.
You just can't help showing how stupid youu are, can you? Russinovich says
nothing in teh referenced articles about defragmenting the Registry, he only
speaks of "cleaning" the Resistry. Where does your stupidity enter into it?
Where you can't tell the difference between those two entirely different
topics.
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Bill in Co.
Gary, keep in mind you're still trying to reason with a guy who, in addition
to jumping on this (so-alleged by him) "Microsoft-approved, registry
cleaner" bandwagon, also insists that a transformer converts AC to DC! (and
when I pointed it out to him that he was wrong, couldn't, and wouldn't, ever
admit that (due to his inflatable ego) So, what do you expect? Do you
know the definition of insanity?
to jumping on this (so-alleged by him) "Microsoft-approved, registry
cleaner" bandwagon, also insists that a transformer converts AC to DC! (and
when I pointed it out to him that he was wrong, couldn't, and wouldn't, ever
admit that (due to his inflatable ego) So, what do you expect? Do you
know the definition of insanity?
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db.·.. >
terhune, you should
simply go back into
your little trailer and
stop being a bully.
simply go back into
your little trailer and
stop being a bully.
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Gary S. Terhune
LOL!!! Who said I was trying to reason with *him*? I know he's hopelessly
ignorant, willfully stupid and a deliberate misleader of innocents. a troll
and a total POS besides. I respond for the benefit of those who might,
somehow, think he has anything he says is EVER correct (except by pure
accident), and that following his advice will greatly increase the chances
of ruining your Windows system.
ignorant, willfully stupid and a deliberate misleader of innocents. a troll
and a total POS besides. I respond for the benefit of those who might,
somehow, think he has anything he says is EVER correct (except by pure
accident), and that following his advice will greatly increase the chances
of ruining your Windows system.
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Gary S. Terhune
Awwww... poor w'il baby feeling picked on? Where's your Mommy? Oh, she's
right there under your butt? Well, tell her for me that she's a totally
lousy mother to have raised such a POS as yourself.
I'll bully you and anyone else who deserves it all I want to. For the
betterment of humankind, if for no other reason. Tiny pieces of dung should
rot into the dirt, like they're supposed to, not pretend to know anything at
all about computers, Windows, Microsoft, the MVP Program or anything else,
and especially not presume to think they know the slightest thing about me.
right there under your butt? Well, tell her for me that she's a totally
lousy mother to have raised such a POS as yourself.
I'll bully you and anyone else who deserves it all I want to. For the
betterment of humankind, if for no other reason. Tiny pieces of dung should
rot into the dirt, like they're supposed to, not pretend to know anything at
all about computers, Windows, Microsoft, the MVP Program or anything else,
and especially not presume to think they know the slightest thing about me.
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Gary S. Terhune
ROFL! And you think that's still where I live. IDIOT! You can't even do a
decent job of simple research. Of course, you know that others ARE capable
of such research, which is why you hide behind one of the stupidest sigs
ever invented. Otherwise, it's quite likely that somebody you piss off will
come to your place and make it personal. (No, not me. If I were that kind of
person, you'd be WAY down the list.)Chickensquirt, that's what you are.
ROFLMAO! You still don't know anything about the MVP Program, really.
Because you lack the faculty called "critical thinking". Blame your mother
for that one, too.
But there's no laughing about total losers like you claiming to know
anything about computers. That's a crime, pure an simple, one called
"fraud", just to start with, and much worse depending on who you manage to
convince that you know anything at all, much less about computers.
As for your link, that's REALLY HILARIOUS, <BG>, seeing as I just got an
email from the MVP Program stating exactly the opposite. Just what part of
those three paragraphs do you think I don't live up to? Quote them here. Or
did you fail "quoting text" in freshman English (or did you even go to
school?)
decent job of simple research. Of course, you know that others ARE capable
of such research, which is why you hide behind one of the stupidest sigs
ever invented. Otherwise, it's quite likely that somebody you piss off will
come to your place and make it personal. (No, not me. If I were that kind of
person, you'd be WAY down the list.)Chickensquirt, that's what you are.
ROFLMAO! You still don't know anything about the MVP Program, really.
Because you lack the faculty called "critical thinking". Blame your mother
for that one, too.
But there's no laughing about total losers like you claiming to know
anything about computers. That's a crime, pure an simple, one called
"fraud", just to start with, and much worse depending on who you manage to
convince that you know anything at all, much less about computers.
As for your link, that's REALLY HILARIOUS, <BG>, seeing as I just got an
email from the MVP Program stating exactly the opposite. Just what part of
those three paragraphs do you think I don't live up to? Quote them here. Or
did you fail "quoting text" in freshman English (or did you even go to
school?)
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Dustin Cook
Hmm. I don't know you nor Gary, but I am among those who have been
writing software for a very long time.
From a coding standpoint, likely yes, the less dead keys you have. the
more efficient the system. That would occur with any database file
structure, however. In this respect, the registry is no different.
However, I still wouldn't just use some automated tool thats going to
take guesses. Registry keys and the values withen are extremely
important.
Thanks from the both of you and the input from the others regarding the
registry cleaners.
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Dustin Cook
Thanks!
I haven't and never will implement a Registry cleaner since it's of
little practical use on anything other than Win2K terminal servers and
developing one that's both safe and effective requires a huge amount of
application-specific knowledge.
Mark said that, and I find myself in total agreement.
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Zilbandy
So why not ignore him instead of cluttering up the group with posts
about his lack/lack of adequate knowledge? I have ignored him since I
got fed up with his short "newspaper column" width posts.
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db.·.. >
from a database
perspective, bad
data is unacceptable.
perspective, bad
data is unacceptable.
U
Unknown
If not addressed why unacceptable? Is all unused memory 'unacceptable'?
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Gary S. Terhune
It's a close call. Ignoring the idiot will give me more peace, and I've done
that for at least a year, more like two. But as another colleague responded
when I asked, it is actually better to keep an eye on him and make as many
people as possible aware that he is an ignorant jerk who's advice will very
likely result in a broken Windows system. Yes, regulars and the
knowledgeable will know to ignore him, but how about the innocents who come
looking for answers and can't tell that his are from the dark side.
that for at least a year, more like two. But as another colleague responded
when I asked, it is actually better to keep an eye on him and make as many
people as possible aware that he is an ignorant jerk who's advice will very
likely result in a broken Windows system. Yes, regulars and the
knowledgeable will know to ignore him, but how about the innocents who come
looking for answers and can't tell that his are from the dark side.
G
Gary S. Terhune
You ARE aware that db-liar-thief knows absolutely nothing about computers?
That he is a total liar and ignorant poser?
That he is a total liar and ignorant poser?