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Jim Marshall
Am thinking of installing Go Back software on my new XP. Any problems with
System Restore if I do?
System Restore if I do?
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Miss Perspicacia Tick
Jim said:
As I understand it, Go Back is *NOT* compatible with XP. Especially if you
have a NTFS formatted drive.
I'd stick with system restore. Why do you wish to install something that
could cause potential problems?
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
You should disable System Restore if you are going to use Go Back. To do
so, open Control Panel, open System, go to the System Restore tab, place a
check next to "Turn off System Restore on this drive," click apply and ok.
System Restore is essentially "Go Back" lite and only covers system settings
and the system state. "Go Back" can cover everything.
so, open Control Panel, open System, go to the System Restore tab, place a
check next to "Turn off System Restore on this drive," click apply and ok.
System Restore is essentially "Go Back" lite and only covers system settings
and the system state. "Go Back" can cover everything.
J
Jim Marshall
Thank you. Would I disable System restore before installing Go back, or
after?
after?
C
Cycle
Have you got any details about why GoBack is not compatible with WinXP,Miss Perspicacia Tick said:
please?
I was considering using GoBack on WinXP because it deals with everything,
not just system files. I used GoBack for some years with Win95, and found it
useful, enabling it only when I was doing something critical.
For what it is worth, you will see the Symantec web site says "GoBack is
completely compatible with Windows Me\XP System Restore".
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
You're welcome.
I would disable it before installing Go Back.
I would disable it before installing Go Back.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
You only need to be sure you have a compatible version of Go Back, however,
as I stated in this thread, if you are going to use Go Back, you need to
turn off System Restore.
as I stated in this thread, if you are going to use Go Back, you need to
turn off System Restore.
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HillBillyBuddhist
Jim Marshall said:
I've been using GoBack with System Restore on an XP NTFS formatted XP Pro
system for more than two years without problems.
They perform their functions in very different ways. System Restore simply
takes a snapshot of certain system files during the time it takes to create
a Restore Point and is (for lack of a better term) inert the rest of the
time. GoBack monitors all files in real time and is always memory resident.
One thing I have found disappointing with GoBack on an XP system (as opposed
to a 9x system) is the restore history. On 9x with the full 4GB history
buffer allotted I get several weeks of restore history. On XP the most I get
is 4-5 days. I attribute this to the increased overhead in the way of disk
activity with XP and the NTFS file system. On the plus side with the
increased stability of XP and the NTFS file system I've never had to revert
an entire drive under XP.
The Symantec Support document located here;
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPOR...src=hot&prod=GoBack&ver=3 Deluxe&csm=no&tpre=
<same link>
http://tinyurl.com/2t2ax
States "GoBack is completely compatible with the Windows System Restore
program. However, it is not necessary to run System Restore if you are using
GoBack."
I use them both in the event that I only want to restore Windows system
files as opposed to reverting the entire drive.
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D
I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
I was just trying to help.
Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or
advice herein.
No warranty is expressed or implied.
Your mileage may vary.
See store for details.
Remove shoes to E-mail.
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Unknown
Really, really bad advice. Restore AFTER in the event installing causes a
problem you can restore.
problem you can restore.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
Not in this particular case. The two conflict with each other and System
Restore may cause issues with the install.
Restore may cause issues with the install.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
My information came directly from their tech support near the time when XP
was released which certainly falls within the time frame you specify for
owning Go Back and this was Symantec's tech support recommendation.
While they can work together as the article suggests, they can also conflict
in which case, System Restore should be turned off. In order to resolve the
issue I had, I had to uninstall Go Back and make sure System Restore was
turned off prior to Go Back's installation
was released which certainly falls within the time frame you specify for
owning Go Back and this was Symantec's tech support recommendation.
While they can work together as the article suggests, they can also conflict
in which case, System Restore should be turned off. In order to resolve the
issue I had, I had to uninstall Go Back and make sure System Restore was
turned off prior to Go Back's installation
H
HillBillyBuddhist
Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) said:
All due respect and no offense intended but the two do not conflict with
each other. (read my post and view the Symantec support document)
I fully agree with the other responder, if you're going to disable System
Restore do so *after* you are satisfied with the GoBack installation. Doing
so before leaves no restore capability should the GoBack installation cause
the system to become unstable.
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D
I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
I was just trying to help.
Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or
advice herein.
No warranty is expressed or implied.
Your mileage may vary.
See store for details.
Remove shoes to E-mail.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
No disrespect taken. I've seen the document. I've also seen issues with
other users. Those issues are by no means universal nor are the issues I
had. By the same token, neither is your experience. There are simply too
many configurations and environments across the wide bed of XP users to make
blanket statement and go on the assumption they do not conflict when real
world evidence, suggest, at least under some conditions they do conflict.
Note the qualifier, under some circumstances and conditions.
I cannot pinpoint those but I can tell you what I have seen, the Symantec
article notwithstanding.
other users. Those issues are by no means universal nor are the issues I
had. By the same token, neither is your experience. There are simply too
many configurations and environments across the wide bed of XP users to make
blanket statement and go on the assumption they do not conflict when real
world evidence, suggest, at least under some conditions they do conflict.
Note the qualifier, under some circumstances and conditions.
I cannot pinpoint those but I can tell you what I have seen, the Symantec
article notwithstanding.
U
Unknown
The very statement 'there are too many configurations and environments across
the wide bed of XP users'
in itself dictates turning off restore AFTER an installation..
the wide bed of XP users'
in itself dictates turning off restore AFTER an installation..
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Dee
Is anything known about the cause of the possible conflict?
Recently I have had two goes at installing GoBack onto a system running
WinXP Pro.
On both occasions I had a computer crash. I got a message that GoBack had
installed successfully, but on restarting the computer, it would not boot.
Is it possible that turning off System Restore would solve my installation
problem?
Dee.
Recently I have had two goes at installing GoBack onto a system running
WinXP Pro.
On both occasions I had a computer crash. I got a message that GoBack had
installed successfully, but on restarting the computer, it would not boot.
Is it possible that turning off System Restore would solve my installation
problem?
Dee.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
Fine, as you wish.
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
I can't say for sure but it's certainly worth a try, just be sure you are
well backed up. In my case, I was not only well backed up but also had
imaging software and imaged my system before installation.
I can't speak to the actual cause. When I ran into the issue, it was at the
end of the XP beta. Beta testers already had the final product but we were
told to continue sending in bug reports. After sending in my report, I was
contacted by Symantec tech support and they flat out told me there was an
issue between System Restore and Go Back. I pointed out their own
literature as well as a tech papers at their website not only said the
opposite but said that Go Back was meant no to replace but to augment System
Restore.
They replied that was a marketing issue and that as far as tech support was
concerned, they didn't recommend running both at the same time. To me,
implicit in that would be the possibility that System Restore might
interfere with or cause issues during Go Back installation.
well backed up. In my case, I was not only well backed up but also had
imaging software and imaged my system before installation.
I can't speak to the actual cause. When I ran into the issue, it was at the
end of the XP beta. Beta testers already had the final product but we were
told to continue sending in bug reports. After sending in my report, I was
contacted by Symantec tech support and they flat out told me there was an
issue between System Restore and Go Back. I pointed out their own
literature as well as a tech papers at their website not only said the
opposite but said that Go Back was meant no to replace but to augment System
Restore.
They replied that was a marketing issue and that as far as tech support was
concerned, they didn't recommend running both at the same time. To me,
implicit in that would be the possibility that System Restore might
interfere with or cause issues during Go Back installation.
G
Guest
To carry on in the vein of this thread I would like to point out that System Restore in XP under most circumstances is a waste of system resources and space. Restore is at best completely unreliable and is affected by everything from defragging to anti-virus scans. Anyone using System Restore for a dependable backup is in for a rude awakening. NT Backup is the ony reliable backup in XP and can be counted on to be unaffected by any external program. Once you have a backup and if you decide to schedule a daily backup using the append feature you will always have a dependable restore option especially if the backup of your files and programs is made to a CD. So in short Restore should be turned off and I hope in future releases of an MS OS removed, and then you wouldn't need to worry about whether go back works or not as you simply don't need to waste your money, time, or resources. Learn to use the tools in XP like NT Backup and you will be surprised at how few 3rd party programs you need to waste your money on. {:~)
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Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP Windows Shell/User\)
System Restore is a good first line of defense, nothing more, nor was it
ever meant to be. No, it should not be used in place of a backup, I would
never suggest otherwise. The third line in my post doesn't say, "System
Restore is PC User's Best Friend. However, it can save a lot of time and
steps and it has done so for me, numerous times. The file store can become
corrupt, user's should test System Restore at least once a week by creating
a manual restore point and restoring to it. Used properly, with a proper
understanding of its function, it is a useful tool.
There is no replacement for keeping your system well backed up and neither
System Restore nor Go Back can or should be used in that fashion. That
doesn't mean they are not useful. They can save a lot of time and as a
first line of defense. If they work, it's better than users jumping
immediately to formatting, reinstalling the OS, reinstalling the apps and
then restoring their data from backup and it's certainly an alternative to
reinstalling XP over itself (which too many users resort to way too quickly
and too often rather than exploring other options first) or even a repair
install. All such options are still possibilities, especially if the user a
has a backup. But, if they have a tool that offers them the option to
quickly restore their setup without having to resort to more invasive
measures or simply starting over from scratch, there's no reason they
shouldn't have that option available to them, not as a last resort, not as
an alternative, simply as a first line of defense.
ever meant to be. No, it should not be used in place of a backup, I would
never suggest otherwise. The third line in my post doesn't say, "System
Restore is PC User's Best Friend. However, it can save a lot of time and
steps and it has done so for me, numerous times. The file store can become
corrupt, user's should test System Restore at least once a week by creating
a manual restore point and restoring to it. Used properly, with a proper
understanding of its function, it is a useful tool.
There is no replacement for keeping your system well backed up and neither
System Restore nor Go Back can or should be used in that fashion. That
doesn't mean they are not useful. They can save a lot of time and as a
first line of defense. If they work, it's better than users jumping
immediately to formatting, reinstalling the OS, reinstalling the apps and
then restoring their data from backup and it's certainly an alternative to
reinstalling XP over itself (which too many users resort to way too quickly
and too often rather than exploring other options first) or even a repair
install. All such options are still possibilities, especially if the user a
has a backup. But, if they have a tool that offers them the option to
quickly restore their setup without having to resort to more invasive
measures or simply starting over from scratch, there's no reason they
shouldn't have that option available to them, not as a last resort, not as
an alternative, simply as a first line of defense.
C
Crusty \(-: Old B@stard :-\)
Turn off system restore and reboot "prior" to installing GoBack. You don't
need, or want, them both. GoBack is the more robust and reliable of the two
utilities.
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Regards:
Richard Urban
aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard
need, or want, them both. GoBack is the more robust and reliable of the two
utilities.
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Regards:
Richard Urban
aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard