XP SP3

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Shenan Stanley

AliceZ said:
I've heard that MS will be releasing SP3 for WinXPsp2, in a month
or so. I searched but did not find any info about it, other than it
will be abour 328MB.

Is this SP3 "coming out" soon? Will everyone who has SP2 be
required to download (?) and install it?

At the moment it appears to me that this SP3 will make many changes
to our computers and possibly cause problems with other programs we
now have installed.
Huh?

The world has not yet gotten to the point where one is forced to
apply as new service pack. The decision is up to you.

I suspect that once SP3 is officially released...the instances of
problems will be minimal...

hovever you may want to clone your drive prior to applying SP3 just
in-case of problems.

I did test out the pre-release of sp3 and found it made some nice
improvements to my system.

Wrong

they force you indirectly, expecially MSFT

there are so many programs that require sp 1 or 2 or else they will
not install

so unless you want to live in a batcave with old ancient non updated
programs you need the service packs.

Shenan said:
Many people choose to do this.
Again - you are NOT *forced* to change - especially not by any one
entity.
I still know people running Windows 95 happily - as all they want is
something to pop their email with or play an old game they enjoy.

If you change it is because you have decided to 'keep up' with the
rest of the world that is changing around you. You make that
decision. Sure - if you plan on being in a career that utilizes
computers in some major way - you will have to choose whether or
not to change because the world you deal with changes. Again -
your choice. There are still many places on the planet that do not
utilize computers and have changed very little in many many years
overall.
Also - the whole thing about blaming one entity for forcing the
CHOICE to change or not is ludicrous. A computer is not comprised
of one single component nor do the factors leading to the change in
any product usually based on one entities choices. It's usually
done per requests and or other factors that influence the product
in question to also change - which likely in turn causes many other
products to change and the cycle goes on like it always has.

What you are saying contradicts itself. You say you have to change
(apply a given service pack to a specific OS), but you add an
"unless" - which means you don't have to change(apply a given
service pack to a specific OS). So what you have done is say you
agree that no one forces you to do anything - but they do... ? Or
you have agreed saying that someone does force you to change - but
they don't...? heh
Everything is a choice. You don't even have to use Windows XP -
much less apply said service pack in discussion. You don't have to
have a computer even. Anything else is an assumption.


As for the original poster - it will be out soon enough, you can
choose whether or not you want to install it (taking into factor
security reasons, new software, new hardware, etc) and you should -
when doing anything to your computer, even just using it - ensure
you have a decent backup plan so you at least do not lose the data
important to you and quite possibly a more advanced plan to make it
easy to revert back to a state you were in prior to any bad
incidents.

there is nothing that biologically forces you to wear clothes..

you could remain in doors if its cold outside,
and get in your car that has heating to go from place to place in
the winter..

but you do wear clothes although no one is forcing you to do it

why? lol

Shenan said:
You are assuming quite a bit.
That's what got you into this in the first place.

You have no idea if I own/utilize a car. You can't even be sure
that I wear clothes. There are many people throughout the world
that do not subscribe to either of those things (cars or clothes.)

It is natural to try to warm oneself *if* it is cold *to them* -
but each person and situation is different for that as well. That
is survival instinct - not necessarily a conscience choice. Although there
are many examples where people have made the
conscience choice to die in the cold.
We are talking about a conscience choice that has nothing to do
with your continued survival. Getting indoors to warm up or into a
car to go someplace is a conscience choice (when available.) Someone could
just as easily choose to walk/run, use a seg-way,
roller skate, ice skate, pogo-stick, crawl or not leave/go/get warm
- or even die (although they have to have a decent amount of will
power.)
Comparing those items to installing a service pack on a certain
operating system and relating it to EVERYONE is just not going to
happen in the real world. ;-)

I am not assuming anything, and I am very comfortable and not stuck
in any way.

You could be an alien posting from a ufo in orbit, or an
experimental AI computer and not a human.

The thing is that I am taking what is most probable.

Probability is the very nature of our universe going down to basis
of all existance.

Its most probable that you would want to wear clothes even though
you don't have to. And you would want to do this for various
reasons. Now, the same applies to service packs, you don't HAVE to
do it, but you would most likely want to do it for various reasons.

However - until now - you never mentioned probability and you assumed much
in that act alone.

You said "they force you indirectly" not "odds are, you will have to
anyway"...

Comfortable and correct are not necessarily interchangeable. ;-)
 
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- Bobb -

I ran it too on one of my systems and FINALLY when I open add/remove (with
'Updates' checked), there was only SP3 listed and not the 100 updates
itemized.
I too had no issues with it.

As for "many updates'... SP3 is " a series of updates".
If you haven't updated at all, yeah it'll take a while, but IF you've been
updating occasionally, it recognizes what you've got and just " adds the
ones you didn't download yet' until that equals SP3.
 
T

Tom

I upgraded to service pack 3 last night and crashed. Microsoft was NO help.
they directed me here for help. Any ideas?
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Tom said:
I upgraded to service pack 3 last night and crashed. Microsoft was
NO help. they directed me here for help. Any ideas?

Since you should have nothing to lose (installation of a pre-release
software should only be done on a system you are willing/able to
format and rebuild at a moments notice - virtual machines with a
revert capability are great for this) when trying to install the
pre-release software (Windows XP SP3 Release Candidate 2)
simply format and perform a clean install on your test machine
that you are trying to install SP3 RC2 upon.

You also could try booting into Safe Mode and performing a
System Restore to a point in time before you installed Service
Pack 3 Release Candidate 2...

Before trying the pre-release software again on this obviously
crowded test machine - try a cleanup of said test machine. Similar
to one you might do before installing any major service pack full
release. The only real difference is that being a test machine - it
is not as important you backup anything...

- Uninstall unnecessary software.
- Update the hardware drivers from the hardware manufacturer's support
web pages.
- Use Disk Cleanup to clear all but the last restore point and to free up
some space not being used by much more than junk.
- Check for viruses/trojans/worms...
- Check for adware/spyware/malware...
- Use CHKDSK to check your hard disk drive for errors.
- Use DEFRAG to cleanup the drive a bit - tidy it up.

Then - once you have your test machine cleaned up - you could make a new
image of it (or however you plan to restore it each time you are done with
whatever tests you use it for) and you'd have a better testbed machine for
it.

Note - being a pre-release product - there really is not a direct support
option available. You have a few options, however:

Start here:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/0a5b9b10-17e3-40d9-8d3c-0077c953a761.aspx

Which can lead you:
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=103822

and the forums set up specifically for the pre-release product:
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17

And of course:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...2b2-aab1-b969a62c68a7&DisplayLang=en#filelist

Where you can download it in different languages OR download a script that
sets a registry key on your system so you can get Windows XP SP3 Release
Candidate 2 from the Windows Update web page directly.

Hope that helps!
 
C

Craig

Colin Barnhorst said:
No, because .net framework is not a part of XP, it is an option. It is a
part of Vista, but it is optional with XP. Bundled programs, like WMP and
IE are never updated by an OS service pack either. All of these items
have their own updates, and in the case of .net framework and IE, their
own service packs.

Thanks, Colin, that's a relief. I'll probably go ahead and do the XP SP3
when it becomes part of Windows Update then. Thanks again.

Craig
 
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Craig

Marko Jotic said:
the MS site clearly states that SP3 will be cummulative, e.g. SP1 and SP2
need not be installed.


Thanks, but that's not an answer to my question.

Craig
 
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AliceZ

Thank you Colin Barnhost... Your answer is what I was seeking.
I thought I would get one or two answers but was surprised to see so many
posts that did not enlighten me but rather confused and frightened me.
I guess best thing to do is just wait and see what happens when SP3 is
officially released.
One more question if I may. Many of the posts state that if you are
considering installing SP3, you should back up your work. Just what do they
mean by that? And how would it be done? As you can tell, I (and my husband)
are new to all of this and that is why all of the posts were confusing to us.
 
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Colin Barnhorst

YW

Craig said:
Thanks, Colin, that's a relief. I'll probably go ahead and do the XP SP3
when it becomes part of Windows Update then. Thanks again.

Craig
 
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Colin Barnhorst

The respondents assume that you know how to back up your files. Here is an
article that describes how to do that with the software on your system (if
XP Pro) or can be added (XP Home). The idea is that you should protect your
personal files so that you do not lose documents, pictures, music, etc that
you have saved on your computer. If you have not thought about backups
before you should because if something messes up your computer you would
lose all your work. While you can always reinstall Windows and your
applications, there is no way to replace your personal stuff if you don't
protect it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308422

This will set off another flurry of responses because computer users are
cheerleaders for one backup product or another and they all hate the backup
program included in XP, so be prepared.

My personal choices for backup programs (lots more options for what you can
backup and how) are EMC Retrospect 7.5 for Windows and Acronis True Image
Home. You can Google on those if you want something nicer than NTBackup
(the program in XP).

If you don't have "Backup" when you navigate to Start>All Programs>
Accessories>System Tools then you are probably using XP Home and need to
follow the directions in Step 2 of the support article above (or you can
download from http://www.ntbackup.us/Articles/install-ntbackup-xp-home.htm
(at the end of the article)).
 
B

Bill in Co.

I expect it would be easier to just use the Microsoft Win XP Backup as
you've suggested, too.
 
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Marko Jotic

Craig said:
Thanks, but that's not an answer to my question.

if your .net updates are in sp2 then their going to be in sp3

--
Marko Jotic
"Common sense is anything but common".
From the notebooks of Lazarus Long. Robert A. Heinlein.
Handmade knives, antique designs, exotic materials at
http://www.knifeforging.com/
 
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Craig

Marko Jotic said:
if your .net updates are in sp2 then their going to be in sp3

Luckily, the MS .Net Framework Service Packs were not part of any past WinXP
Service Pack, they were standalone updates to whichever .Net Framework
version a PC had previously installed. So I'm hoping that Colin's right and
that WinXP Service Pack 3 will not include the past MS .NET Framework
Service Pack updates.

Craig
 
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Colin Barnhorst

SP3 includes ONLY previous updates to the operating system and a few new
functionalities. That's operating system. .net framework is not part of
the operating system.
 
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AliceZ

Thank you again Colin Barnhorst.
I found the Backup in the Accessories/System Tools. I followed the
instructions on the MS page you supplied regarding 'backing up.'
#1- Maybe a stupid question, but I was wondering if this Backup is JUST for
this computer, or can it be used on another computer?
#2- There was also mention of 'backing up' System Stat.' Is that necessary?
I guess it would be if this Backup is just for this computer, but it should
not be done if the Backup can be used on our other PC. (But that would depend
on #1, I believe.)
Thank you.
Alice
 
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Colin Barnhorst

You're welcome.

Backup is for the local computer only. Third party backup programs like the
ones I talked about before can help you manage backups on a home network
from one of the computers but XP's Backup cannot do that.

The system state amounts to the registry and it is pretty important to back
that up. I don't know what OS is on the other computer but it should have a
built in backup program too. You can just treat the two computers
seperately. If you want to manage backups for both computers from one of
them and have a lot of choices on how to back up you should look at third
party programs to do it.
 
P

PD43

ANONYMOUS said:
There is! You could go to prison if you are found naked walking where
civilization exists! This is not biological but it is certainly legally!

I think this thread has finally met my killfile threshold.
 
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AliceZ

Again, thank you Colin Barnhorst.
We had a 2GB small flash drive which we plugged into a USB port on the
desktop (WinXPsp2) and did the backup (included the System Stat). We then
looked at the Properties of the flash drive and it showed one item = Backup
bkf 975,053. I guess everything we backed up (owner documents, cookies,
favorites, etc.) was condensed into that one file.

#1- I hope it was OKAY to do the backup to the flash drive! We didn't think
we were supposed to save the backup on our desktop.

Guess we will have to look for another 2GB flash drive and do the same
backup for our notebook (WinXPsp2), if it is OKAY to save BACKUP to a flash
drive.

HOPEFULLY, we will never need to use either one of them. Also hope, if we
must install the SP3 sometime in the future, that we will not have any
problems.
Thank you for your kind assistance. It has helped us greatly and taugh us
how to do the backup.
 
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Colin Barnhorst

Sounds OK. The last place you want to save it is on the system you are
backing up. Best practice for a backup is to use a removable drive as you
have or shiny media (cd/dvd) which can be stored away from the computer.
Buy something larger than a 2GB flash drive. Larger sizes are very cheap
now.

Good luck.
 

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