XP pro or XP corporate

[Paul G]

I have seen advertised by different suppliers both Windows XP
professional and XP corporate. Is this the same thing under different
names or different products. If its the latter which is best for general
small office use?

Thanks
Paul

 

[Robert Moir]

I have seen advertised by different suppliers both Windows XP
professional and XP corporate. Is this the same thing under different
names or different products. If its the latter which is best for
general small office use?

There is no such product as "XP Corporate". There is a warez distribution
using that name so I'd suggest that the people offering to sell you "XP
Corporate" are either idiots or trying to sell you warez.

Depending on the amount of XP licences you need and your exact
circumstances, you may find that "Volume licences" may be appropriate, most
decent resellers should be able to advise you here.

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[Guest]

I have seen advertised by different suppliers both Windows XP
professional and XP corporate. Is this the same thing under different
names or different products. If its the latter which is best for
general small office use?

The "Corporate" version doesn't exist. It is scammer verbiage for
"pirated" version by slicing out an illegal instance of a volume license
and selling it outside the organization to which the volume license was
sold. Some clowns also tried the same scam with QuickBooks by buying
the 5-license version and slicing it up to sell at the full single
license cost at eBay.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I have seen advertised by different suppliers both Windows XP
professional and XP corporate. Is this the same thing under different
names or different products. If its the latter which is best for general
small office use?

Thanks
Paul

Actually, there is no such thing as WinXP "Corporate Edition."
That is a term applied exclusively to pirated (iow, stolen) copies of
the Volume Licensed WinXP Pro by the "warez" aficionados. If you're
considering buying software from someone using that term, you'd be wise
to take your business elsewhere.

And in technical terms, there is *NO* difference between retail,
OEM, or Volume Licensed versions of WinXP Pro. The only differences lie
entirely in the licensing.


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[Paul G]

Actually, there is no such thing as WinXP "Corporate Edition."
That is a term applied exclusively to pirated (iow, stolen) copies of
the Volume Licensed WinXP Pro by the "warez" aficionados. If you're
considering buying software from someone using that term, you'd be wise
to take your business elsewhere.

And in technical terms, there is *NO* difference between retail,
OEM, or Volume Licensed versions of WinXP Pro. The only differences lie
entirely in the licensing.

Ok, Thanks to all for your replies, I will keep clear of the 'corporate'
version

Paul

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

There is no version of Windows XP called "corporate".
If someone is advertising a "corporate version", rest-assured
it is not a legitimate version of Windows XP.

Find the right Volume Licensing Program
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.mspx

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| I have seen advertised by different suppliers both Windows XP
| professional and XP corporate. Is this the same thing under different
| names or different products. If its the latter which is best for general
| small office use?
|
| Thanks
| Paul


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[Guest]

And in technical terms, there is *NO* difference between retail,
OEM, or Volume Licensed versions of WinXP Pro. The only differences
lie entirely in the licensing.

Well, there is one difference: the OEM version won't do an upgrade
(i.e., migrate) from another version. The OEM version does a full
install; i.e., with the retail version you can do an upgrade, but with
the OEM version you can't upgrade.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Well, there is one difference: the OEM version won't do an upgrade
(i.e., migrate) from another version. The OEM version does a full
install; i.e., with the retail version you can do an upgrade, but with
the OEM version you can't upgrade.

You're correct, of course. I was speaking in terms of system
operation, feature set, compatibility, and functionality, and not the
installation process. I'll try to clarify that in any such responses.


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[NoStop]

You're correct, of course. I was speaking in terms of system
operation, feature set, compatibility, and functionality, and not the
installation process. I'll try to clarify that in any such responses.

Bruce,

If that is the case, why would this KB article ...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

.... say this:

*Warning* Do not use the procedure that is described in this article if your
computer has an OEM-installed operating system. The system hive on OEM
installations creates passwords and user accounts that did not exist
previously. If you use the procedure that is described in this article, you
may not be able to log back into the recovery console to restore the
original registry hives.



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[Malke]

Bruce,

If that is the case, why would this KB article ...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

... say this:

*Warning* Do not use the procedure that is described in this article
if your computer has an OEM-installed operating system. The system
hive on OEM installations creates passwords and user accounts that did
not exist previously. If you use the procedure that is described in
this article, you may not be able to log back into the recovery
console to restore the original registry hives.

Because it is referring to specialized OEM versions like those put on by
companies like Compaq, HP, Dell, Sony, etc. - not to a standard OEM
copy of the os that you can buy.

Malke

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Bruce,

If that is the case, why would this KB article ...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

... say this:

*Warning* Do not use the procedure that is described in this article if your
computer has an OEM-installed operating system. The system hive on OEM
installations creates passwords and user accounts that did not exist
previously. If you use the procedure that is described in this article, you
may not be able to log back into the recovery console to restore the
original registry hives.

The type of "OEM installation" to which this KB article refers is one
in which the computer manufacturer has "customized" the OS or provided
only a Recovery/Restore CD, rather than a true installation CD.
Unfortunately, this is just the type of OEM installation that most home
consumers have. The procedures there-in work just fine when using
either a generic OEM CD or one provided by a responsible OEM, such as
Dell or Gateway.

And, again, my original response was referring to the operation of the
*installed* OS, not the various differences in the CDs.


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[NobodyMan]

Actually, there is no such thing as WinXP "Corporate Edition."
That is a term applied exclusively to pirated (iow, stolen) copies of
the Volume Licensed WinXP Pro by the "warez" aficionados. If you're
considering buying software from someone using that term, you'd be wise
to take your business elsewhere.

And in technical terms, there is *NO* difference between retail,
OEM, or Volume Licensed versions of WinXP Pro. The only differences lie
entirely in the licensing.

Except that VLK versions don't require product activation.........

 

[Guest]

Bruce,

If that is the case, why would this KB article ...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

... say this:

*Warning* Do not use the procedure that is described in this article
if your
computer has an OEM-installed operating system. The system hive on OEM
installations creates passwords and user accounts that did not exist
previously. If you use the procedure that is described in this
article, you
may not be able to log back into the recovery console to restore the
original registry hives.

"The system hive on OEM installations creates passwords and user
accounts that did not exist
previously."

That means all accounts are NEW. No accounts were migrated from a prior
existence in an old operating system that was in that partition.
Installing the OEM version wipes that partition and puts a new instance
of Windows in there and all accounts will get generated all news SIDs
(security identifiers) for them. None of the new SIDs will match the
SIDs for the accounts in your old version of Windows (except for some
"common" accounts, like Administrator).

An OEM install is a new *fresh* install. Only the standard or common
accounts will be created by the install. You then create more accounts
later. It may be that the OEM version referenced in this KB article is
including drive images that are used for restores. These are customized
images made by the system jobber, like Dell, which go beyond the default
install and include some customized setup after that point.

You can buy a *retail* version of an OEM version of Windows. That is
what Microsoft provides. When you install that OEM version, you get a
real instance of Windows. Lots of system vendors make their own
customized or altered copy of an OEM version of Windows. Dell is one of
them. You don't get a retail OEM version from Dell. You get Dell's OEM
version, and that is not the same as a Microsoft OEM version. One
example of the difference is that the Dell version of Windows may be
BIOS-locked to the model and BIOS ID code so it can only be installed on
that computer or another just like it, but an install will fail if tried
on host that isn't a Dell and isn't that specific model of Dell. The
Microsoft OEM version is not BIOS-locked. Personally I never buy
pre-installed OEM versions Windows with the hardware because I want the
real Microsoft version, but then I'm fabbing my own boxes instead buying
the low-end, consumer-grade, pre-fabbed stuff off the store shelves.

 

[NoStop]

"The system hive on OEM installations creates passwords and user
accounts that did not exist
previously."

That means all accounts are NEW. No accounts were migrated from a prior
existence in an old operating system that was in that partition.

If that is what this article is saying, it sure isn't being clear about it!
If I purchase a computer from a retailer and the OEM version of windows and
they install it on this new computer, it will have new accounts. Correct?

If I purchase full retail Windows XP Pro, reformat my hard drive and install
it and setup accounts, those accounts will be new also. I assume? This
isn't an upgrade from a previous version of Windows.

So why this warning that this registry recovery procedure will work with XP
Pro but not OEM XP? Still don't get the significance.

Installing the OEM version wipes that partition and puts a new instance
of Windows in there and all accounts will get generated all news SIDs
(security identifiers) for them. None of the new SIDs will match the
SIDs for the accounts in your old version of Windows (except for some
"common" accounts, like Administrator).

Again, what old version of Windows? I didn't see the article ever mentioning
anything about old versions of Windows as being at all significant to this
perscribed recovery procedure.

An OEM install is a new *fresh* install. Only the standard or common
accounts will be created by the install. You then create more accounts
later. It may be that the OEM version referenced in this KB article is
including drive images that are used for restores. These are customized
images made by the system jobber, like Dell, which go beyond the default
install and include some customized setup after that point.

Then why doesn't it talk about "customized" OEM setups? It makes no mention
of that. Still don't understand this warning.


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[Ron Martell]

Except that VLK versions don't require product activation.........

Neither do SLP (BIOS Locked) OEM versions.

And legitimate VLK users are subject to unannounced on-site audits of
their licensing compliance.


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