XP Pro OEM

[Alias]

Now I'm totally confused.....lol. What's the deal with the 120 days thing?
Does it mean that if you change, for example, your mobo and try to
reinstall XP OEM within 120 days it won't work but after 120 days it's OK
to do this? What happens if I change my mobo just for the hell of it and
then claim it is a replacement for a faulty one?

Cheers.

Si

MS only keeps your hardware hash for 120 days and then cleans the slate
which means not only can you upgrade a motherboard, you could install it on
another machine and it will activate. If you upgrade too many things before
the 120 days are up and have to use the phone option, you are not required
to tell them anything but a long code and they will give you another so it
will activate. You are not required to explain anything.

See http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/ for more information on dealing with
Product Activation.

Also, see http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx#details

Both Product Activation and Windows Genuine Advantage are the two worst
things that MS has ever done for PR because the only people that will ever
suffer are paying customers. The pirates had it cracked long ago. It has
inspired me to make my next computer a MAC.

Alias

 

[Steve N.]

And the reason you posted this is? This is a password protected web site and
is not the EULA. Further, once you've signed into Passport, you have to
register to get any further. The Partner Program is for System Builders and
is irrevelant and I go by my EULAs and none of them mention the word
"motherboard" once. Not only that, I have upgraded motherboards with OEM and
they activated without any problems. There also isn't any mention of having
to read this web site before installing.

My conclusion is you get some kind of vicarious thrill out of conning people
to buy another OS they don't need or to buy a retail copy, which they also
don't need. Either that or you're just dense.

Alias

How about both?

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.

Not true. Regular non-crippled OEM CDs are fully capable of doing a
repair installation or boot into the Revocery Console, which does NOT
require a clean install on a freshly formatted drive.

-- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.

Oh, it certainly can be in that one is able to do it. You're just not
"supposed" to according to the EULA which has yet to be upheld in a
court of law and is unenforcable.

-- only hardware component you cannot change is the motherboard model.

Another lie. It depends on the OEM CD type, particularly whether it is
BIOS locked or not, and even if it is BIOS locked upgrading to a
different modell of motherboard from the same manufacturer is perfectly
fine.

-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.

It sure can, says right there in the EULA that it can be transferred
along with the computer.

-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller".

Good Lord are you really that dumb? Then what do you call phone
activation? What do you call Hotfix support? What do you call the
ability to search the M$ KnowledgeBase? How about these support groups?
What does that oh-so-special M$ tech support get you? Two free phone
calls that are less likely to solve your problems than asking here.

-- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.

No, it costs less in order to get more copies of Windows running out in
the world, increase userbase, domintaion of the software and OS market,
etc. The only REAL limitations of a REAL OEM over Full Retail is the
inability to do an upgrade (big deal) and the unenforcable EULA claim
that it is permanently tied to the first computer it's installed on.

Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!

Best advice is to not listen to Carey's horsecrap, deceptive statements
and contradictions.

If you really _have_ to buy a copy of XP save some money; buy a generic
OEM with a mouse from Wal-Mart and do what you wish with it.

Steve

 

[Guest]

You would not be confused if you followed my sound advice
and purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP. No where
on the Microsft web site is there a recommendation that
consumers purchase an OEM version of their software.

 

[Si]

Thanks for clearing things up for me Alias.

Cheers.

Si

 

[Steve N.]

You would not be confused if you followed my sound advice
and purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP. No where
on the Microsft web site is there a recommendation that
consumers purchase an OEM version of their software.

You're the only one who thinks your advice is always sound. It's often
full of holes and misinformation, as evidenced in this thread. Some of
us point it out to you and you ignore it, betraying your lack of respect
for your peers. Guess what Carey? We _are_ your PEERS! You've let that
MVP tag go to your head for far too long.

Steve

 

[Si]

Unfortunately Carey it all comes down to money. There is no way I can afford
the full retail version which is why I was asking about the OEM version.

"No where on the Microsft web site is there a recommendation that
consumers purchase an OEM version of their software."

Now there's a surprise! Why would they? But it is an alternative and if the
OEM copy is not going to give me any problems when I need to replace a piece
of hardware then I think this is the one I should go for. It's either that
or find out how to get a pirate copy! Now which option do you think
Microsoft prefer I take? Hmm.................

Cheers.

Si


--
It denos't mtater waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, it's olny iprmoatnt
taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.Tihs is bcuseae the huamn
mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

 

[David Candy]

You'll be glad to know then that there is a PowerPC sitting on the footpath down the road for the last month.

 

[Alias]

Unfortunately Carey it all comes down to money. There is no way I can
afford the full retail version which is why I was asking about the OEM
version.

"No where on the Microsft web site is there a recommendation that
consumers purchase an OEM version of their software."

Now there's a surprise! Why would they? But it is an alternative and if
the OEM copy is not going to give me any problems when I need to replace a
piece of hardware then I think this is the one I should go for. It's
either that or find out how to get a pirate copy! Now which option do you
think Microsoft prefer I take? Hmm.................

Cheers.

Si

I have three generic OEM versions, no problems at all. Carey is just trying
to be a FUD meister.

Alias

 

[Alias]

You're welcome.

Alias

Thanks for clearing things up for me Alias.

Cheers.

Si


--
It denos't mtater waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, it's olny
iprmoatnt taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.The rset
can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.Tihs is
bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod
as a wlohe.

 

[Alias]

PowerPC?

Alias

"David Candy" <.> wrote

You'll be glad to know then that there is a PowerPC sitting on the footpath
down the road for the last month.

 

[David Candy]

Thinking about it it is probably an IBM. PowerPC is the name of the CPU in Apple's Power series Macs and in IBM's PowerPC.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Maybe the "trolls" who push the OEM version will pay
for your next license when you change the motherboard
to a different model.... the choice is yours and you
have been properly advised of the pitfalls.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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:

| Unfortunately Carey it all comes down to money. There is no way I can afford
| the full retail version which is why I was asking about the OEM version.
|
| "No where on the Microsft web site is there a recommendation that
| consumers purchase an OEM version of their software."
|
| Now there's a surprise! Why would they? But it is an alternative and if the
| OEM copy is not going to give me any problems when I need to replace a piece
| of hardware then I think this is the one I should go for. It's either that
| or find out how to get a pirate copy! Now which option do you think
| Microsoft prefer I take? Hmm.................
|
| Cheers.
|
| Si
|
|
| --
| It denos't mtater waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, it's olny iprmoatnt
| taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.The rset can be a total
| mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.Tihs is bcuseae the huamn
| mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
|
| | > You would not be confused if you followed my sound advice
| > and purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP. No where
| > on the Microsft web site is there a recommendation that
| > consumers purchase an OEM version of their software.
| >
| > --
| > Carey Frisch
| > Microsoft MVP
| > Windows XP - Shell/User
| >
| >
| > "Si" wrote:
| >
| >> Now I'm totally confused.....lol. What's the deal with the 120 days
| >> thing?
| >> Does it mean that if you change, for example, your mobo and try to
| >> reinstall
| >> XP OEM within 120 days it won't work but after 120 days it's OK to do
| >> this?
| >> What happens if I change my mobo just for the hell of it and then claim
| >> it
| >> is a replacement for a faulty one?
| >>
| >> Cheers.
| >>
| >> Si
| >
|
|

 

[Uncle Joe]

Are you on Microsoft's commission
plan, Carey?

 

[Doofusbrain]

Maybe the "trolls" who push the OEM version will pay
for your next license when you change the motherboard
to a different model.... the choice is yours and you
have been properly advised of the pitfalls.

With the retail version, if I swap out my motherboard I won't trigger
the activation?
I'm thinking of just getting a copy of the Retail version, and
constantly selling of PCs (after I wipe them of course) and
reinstalling. Will I have to call MS to do that?
Is the activation more easily "triggered" in the OEM version than the
retail?

 

[David Candy]

The technical details are the same. It's just that MS won't activate an OEM with changed MB.

 

[Alias]

"David Candy" <.> wrote

The technical details are the same. It's just that MS won't activate an OEM
with changed MB. <<<<<<<<<

Um, they have for me and many others. Where did you get that? My EULA says
nothing about a motherboard.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Maybe the "trolls"

Who are you calling a troll?

who push the OEM version will pay
for your next license when you change the motherboard
to a different model.... the choice is yours and you
have been properly advised of the pitfalls.

Not by you. You have lied. Do you consider that troll behaviour, lying?

Alias

 

[David Candy]

Nope is a PowerMac 5500. Someone has given it a chair to sit on since sunday.
http://lowendmac.com/ppc/5500.shtml

It's at the top of Varna St, Waverley 2022

 

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

With the retail version, if I swap out my motherboard I won't trigger

the activation?

It'll trigger, but reactivating will not be a problem.

I'm thinking of just getting a copy of the Retail version, and
constantly selling of PCs (after I wipe them of course) and
reinstalling. Will I have to call MS to do that?

Not sure what you mean here. If you are thinking of installing WinXP and
selling the system with it, then you are responsible for supplying the media
disks with the system. You will need a new set for each machine you build
and sell. In these cases, an OEM version for each would be more apropos, as
the end buyer is unlikely to be making major changes. You cannot use the
same retail or OEM single license disk to install to multiple machines for
redistribution. If you are just reselling the hardware after you're done
with it, and not the OS with it, then a single retail copy of WinXP for your
own use is fine. Whether or not re-activation requires a phone call will
depend on the frequency of your installations. The activation database
resets after 120 days, so if your activations are more than 4 months apart
it is unlikely that you will need to phone them in. Even if you do have to
phone it in, there is no problem in moving the regular retail version to new
hardware, with an OEM version it will likely eventually be denied as they
are generally permanently tied to the first system they are activated on.

Is the activation more easily "triggered" in the OEM version than the
retail?

Nope.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org