XP Home w/SP "one and a half"

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Once upon a time I had XP Home SP2 with all updates.
Then I had one of those not so standard crashes (not easy to recover)
It seems that a Windows Repair did only half the job, so I reinstalled
Windows from my CD with SP1.

After I got up and running, Windows said I needed SP2.
During the Install, Setup aborted with a meaningless message and rolled
the system "back".
Not quite back, as Nortons WinDoctor now showed hundreds of before
non-existing problems.

Is my safest bet to buy XP with SP2 and do that install?
Or is there another way?
 
Frank said:
Once upon a time I had XP Home SP2 with all updates.
Then I had one of those not so standard crashes (not easy to recover)
It seems that a Windows Repair did only half the job, so I reinstalled
Windows from my CD with SP1.

After I got up and running, Windows said I needed SP2.
During the Install, Setup aborted with a meaningless message and rolled
the system "back".
Not quite back, as Nortons WinDoctor now showed hundreds of before
non-existing problems.

Is my safest bet to buy XP with SP2 and do that install?
Or is there another way?

If that is what you want to do, then OK. The alternative would
be to download and expand SP2. From here, create a slip-streamed
version of Windows XP, resulting in a XP-SP2 cdrom. Look up the
instructions in support.microsoft.com and/or download an app
named Autostreamer.exe. (Search for it in Google.)
 
Frank said:
Once upon a time I had XP Home SP2 with all updates.
Then I had one of those not so standard crashes (not easy to recover)
It seems that a Windows Repair did only half the job, so I reinstalled
Windows from my CD with SP1.

After I got up and running, Windows said I needed SP2.
During the Install, Setup aborted with a meaningless message and rolled
the system "back".
Not quite back, as Nortons WinDoctor now showed hundreds of before
non-existing problems.

Is my safest bet to buy XP with SP2 and do that install?
Or is there another way?

Windows XP SP1 cannot tell you that you need SP2. I don't think SP1
knew about SP2 , cetrainly not waht would require it.
Wipe the HDD. So rolling back will not work, there will be nothing to
roll back to.
Then install Windows XP SP1, and get all the updates.

You used to have to visit the windows update site a few times
restarting each time until they wre all installed. Nowadays perhaps you
only need to go once.


If you had wiped the HDD (that'd guarantee you'd be nothing to roll
back to) then it'd be fine.
It seems there was still some sp2 stuff somewhere that you didn't get
rid of. I don't know how. Since I always foudn that - at least win xp
pro - won't install windows over windows. it forces you to delete the
previous windows installation. Nevertheless, given your situation, if
you want a solution, wipe the hdd before installing
 
Windows XP SP1 cannot tell you that you need SP2. I don't think SP1
knew about SP2 , cetrainly not waht would require it.
Wipe the HDD. So rolling back will not work, there will be nothing to
roll back to.
Then install Windows XP SP1, and get all the updates.

You used to have to visit the windows update site a few times
restarting each time until they wre all installed. Nowadays perhaps you
only need to go once.


If you had wiped the HDD (that'd guarantee you'd be nothing to roll
back to) then it'd be fine.
It seems there was still some sp2 stuff somewhere that you didn't get
rid of. I don't know how. Since I always foudn that - at least win xp
pro - won't install windows over windows. it forces you to delete the
previous windows installation. Nevertheless, given your situation, if
you want a solution, wipe the hdd before installing

Windows Update is probably what told him he needs SP2.
 
Wiping the hard drive is like hitting my system with a huge sledge hammer.
I did some reading about autostreamer.exe... nice utility.
Do you concur that is the way to go?

BTW, during all this chaos I sure found out that Norton's Ghost is not a
very good package. I think I am pretty good with computers but that
package (v9.0) sure needs some help. Nothing like faithfully doing
Ghost's and then find out they cannot be read.
 
Frank said:
Wiping the hard drive is like hitting my system with a huge sledge hammer.

Perhaps, but it will allow you to get rid of everything Norton which is
a very good thing to get rid of. Back up your data and do a clean
install. It takes time but it will do the job for sure.

You can use Avast for your anti virus, www.avast.com and Zone Alarm for
your firewall, www.zonelabs.com, both free and much better than Norton.

You can order the SP2 CD from Microsoft at:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

All you pay is the shipping and handling.

Alias
 
Frank said:
Wiping the hard drive is like hitting my system with a huge sledge hammer.

it does no damage.
The disavantage of formatting or deleting partitions. / wiping the
whole HDD. It is the time it takes to reinstall afterwards that is the
problem. .
You're planning on removing windows anyway though.
The other thing with formatting, is you have to back up your data
beforehand. You should have all your data in a least 1 directory, so
you can easily back it up.

I did some reading about autostreamer.exe... nice utility.
Do you concur that is the way to go?

Maybe for you. It's better to have a windows xp sp2 disc. than a
windows xp sp1 disc.

The way that'd be going is slipstreaming. It can be done without
autostreamer, but autostreamer might make it easier by doing some
things for you.
BTW, during all this chaos I sure found out that Norton's Ghost is not a
very good package. I think I am pretty good with computers but that
package (v9.0) sure needs some help. Nothing like faithfully doing
Ghost's and then find out they cannot be read.

Don't *rely* on NG. But it can be a lifesaver, saves a load of time.
I've uised it about 5 times and had 4 successes.

One time fixing somebodies computer I had a scare, restarted the
computer and got some strange error.. booted win xp pe and that
couldn't read anything. Then I took the computer back home, started it
and it was fine. restrated it many times and it was fine. So that was
a kind of success.
All the time I was safe even when it appeared to fail, because I
corretly calculated that however wrong Ghost can go. It cannot damage
anything on the partition that contains the image. Because Ghost cannot
write to that partition. There's always the scare choosing the
partition, sometimes all you have to identify them are te sizes!! One
mistake there is a bit scary. But you know that - I think - that
partition with the image file on it is safe. You persumably cannot
select it or it won't let you wite the image to it.. I copied all the
data to there. So it had data+image file.

Most, if not all, seem to prefer acronis trueimage.

The really frightening one is Partition Magic. That never went wrong
for me(except once when i was trying to experiment with settings that
couldn't work! But you always have the rescue disks which are like PM
for DOS. But, still, it can go wrong.. I always hold my breath and pace
around when resizing a partition. What if there is a power surge! What
if the HDD fails/hiccups during the process! Imagine how many
problems they must've run into testing this software! This is such a
complicated operation internally, like an aeroplane staying in the
air!!! And it's so necessary to do it.. If the user has one partition
and you need to create another to put the ghost image on.
 
Good thoughts and thanks.
I have removed Ghost and installed TrueImage... now that is a real good
program. Running it from Windows OR the bootable CD everything looks
the same, no confusion there. I am now a TrueImage person.
My problem with Ghost was when I booted from their CD I never got
anything that looked like their console in the manual. So I tried to
tweak and go through the folders finding an EXE to work but no joy.

I went the autostreamer route, took my original SP1 CD and merged it
with the SP2 release and now have a SP2 CD ready to boot from and do the
cranking.
Just need a quiet day to kick it off.

The sad part of this is that I am an "old timer" going way back to the
mainframe days...... backups are a religion.... and I cannot recover my
own system from my own "precision" backups
 
Hello,
have used True Image here for a long while and swear by it....two
suggestions:

1.Make your images and restores when the machine boots up,i.e.,use the
F11 key
boot mode.True Image can do it from the active disk but,you know,why
push it?

2.If you have Partition Magic or similar,slice and dice a small logical
partition off
the main one and let TrueImage's Secure Zone be on it.Again,not
essential but
True Image seems to like it better.In other words,safer is better...

Regards...
 
Frank wrote:

BTW, during all this chaos I sure found out that Norton's Ghost is not a
very good package. I think I am pretty good with computers but that
package (v9.0) sure needs some help. Nothing like faithfully doing
Ghost's and then find out they cannot be read.

Whatever backup solution one employs, it should always be tested to make
sure it works to restore. Waiting until you need it to find out if it
works is almost the same as not backing up at all.
 
Frank said:
Wiping the hard drive is like hitting my system with a huge sledge hammer.
I did some reading about autostreamer.exe... nice utility.
Do you concur that is the way to go?


Sorry, I don't know that one.
 
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