XP - Disk Defragmentor vs Diskeeper

[Prabhat]

Ignore My Earlier POST as I forgot to send Multiple News Groups.

Hi all,

I have one Confusion.

I use my XP Built in Disk Defragmentor Once in a WEEK. (And After a CLean
Install).

Recently I have seen that The Builtin Defragmentor is Still Display a report
with the list of file that could not be defragmented. So I searched for good
Deframentor in Internet and Found : "Diskeeper" from Executive Software.

I have installed that in my XP PC with SP2. I have tested that and found
Very good features in compare to Built in one. But after I Install that When
I start my Biult in Defragmentor then that does not start the Windows
Defregmentor but Starts the Diskeeper.

My Diskeeper Point to : C:\WINNT\system32\mmc.exe "C:\Program
Files\Executive Software\Diskeeper\Diskeeper.msc"
and Build in Disk Defragmentor Ponts to : %SystemRoot%\System32\dfrg.msc

Then Why does the Diskeeper Starts when I start my Built in Defragmentor?

Thanks for any Suggestions
Prabhat

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I have one Confusion.

I use my XP Built in Disk Defragmentor Once in a WEEK. (And After a
CLean Install).

Recently I have seen that The Builtin Defragmentor is Still Display a
report with the list of file that could not be defragmented. So I
searched for good Deframentor in Internet and Found : "Diskeeper"
from Executive Software.

I have installed that in my XP PC with SP2. I have tested that and
found Very good features in compare to Built in one. But after I
Install that When I start my Biult in Defragmentor then that does not
start the Windows Defregmentor but Starts the Diskeeper.

My Diskeeper Point to : C:\WINNT\system32\mmc.exe "C:\Program
Files\Executive Software\Diskeeper\Diskeeper.msc"
and Build in Disk Defragmentor Ponts to :
%SystemRoot%\System32\dfrg.msc

Then Why does the Diskeeper Starts when I start my Built in
Defragmentor?

Because the Defragmentation built into Windows XP is licensed Diskeeper
technology.

"Windows Disk Defragmenter
Copyright (c) 2001 Microsoft Corp. and Executive Software International,
Inc."

And thus it takes over when you install the true package.

 

[Prabhat]

Hi Shenan,

Then you meen to say that After I Install Diskeeper I will not be able to
Use my Default Defragmentor?

Is there any way that I can Run Both?

And Does the Full version of Diskeeper is Better then the Default
Difragmentor one? So that I can Keep that in my Ssytem or Remove that.

Thanks
Prabhat

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Then you meen to say that After I Install Diskeeper I will not be
able to Use my Default Defragmentor?

Yes - as far as I could tell in my experience. Not that you need both.

Is there any way that I can Run Both?

Not that I know of.

And Does the Full version of Diskeeper is Better then the Default
Difragmentor one? So that I can Keep that in my Ssytem or Remove that.

The full version of Diskeeper is leaps and bounds better - in what it does.

 

[Peter]

I use Diskeeper Professional and it's light years better than the built in
one. Faster and has many more features. It just installs on top of the
built in version so should you uninstall it the old one is still there.
For some unknown reason though, Windows says it's an incompatible piece of
software, found that out the first time I did a repair reinstallation of
Windows. Just disregard!

 

[Prabhat]

Hi Shenan,

Some time I also use Defragmentor of "Sytem Mechanic" of iolo.

Can you tell me which one is good?

As per me I found the Diskeeper is Better then the Sytem Mechanic, as this
has got Lots of Options to defrag. What is your suggestion?

Thanks
Prabhat

 

[SlowJet]

I think diskkeeper has a marketing point that does not apply to many single
computer users. The past need for frequent defrags is not really the case
for large partitions and NTFS 3.
I found that running DK lite on a multi-partition disk acually keep my
Windows from self tuning after SP2, not to mention a bit of over head
reporting news fragments.
I wondered what the heck is a fragment anyway?
It turns out that newly allocated files have overallocation fragments and
that are not always released until after a new file is opened again or
undated. I'm not sure how it works but I do know it is not worth worring
about.
On a single user computer with xp sp2, you could run for years and wouldn't
ever reach the point of defragmentation equal to the SP2 install.

On a Pent 4 2.4 I defrag with the windows defrag and it doesn't take very
long and it seldom leaves any unfragmented files. All I'm saying is for
older PC's your money would be better spent on hardware that a bunch of out
dated and redundant untilities.

And try letting your computer run two or three weeks without a defrag and
you'll see it is just as fast becuse NTFS doesn't slow down like FAT and the
slowest you disk will ever be is right after the SP2 install.

IMO,

SJ

 

[Prabhat]

Hi,

Can you tell me what is NTFS 3?

I have my PC XP + SP2 (FAT32). Is the NTFS 3 is there in XP and If I Convert
to NTFS DO I Get that?

Thanks
Prabhat

 

[R. McCarty]

NTFS has revision levels, just like Windows. Currently, XP uses
NTFS 3.1. Also, fragmentation level is determined by usage &
type of disk use. One factor is having My Documents and other
user data stores on the XP partition. Since those change frequently
it contributes to the fragmentation level.

 

[SlowJet]

Good point.
That leads right into what dynaic disks volumes are all about.

//computerwiththebigdisk//smallpersonalvolumexyz/R McCarty
Documents/freqchangedfile.zip

SJ

 

[SlowJet]

Yes, it is XP's version and you get it with the convert BUT because you
didn't install with NTFS you are missing a lot of security. If that is
important (and it is if you care about your data) then a re-install would be
a consideration. (Less important if you are the only user on the PC and you
have the sense to make up a second user with limited permisions to do the
daily work vs. changing hats and becoming ADMINMAN. Because he can do
anything at anytime, even goofup.

SJ

 

[Prabhat]

Hi,

Your points are Strong.

I use another Directory on Different Partition to Save my Office Works
(Similar like My Document - for Word, Excel, Powerpoint etc.).

But I think Still the USer DAta will be in the Same Drive. Is that
Recomended to Move to another Partition? If Yes HOW?

Thanks
Prabhat

 

[DILIP]

NTFS has revision levels, just like Windows. Currently, XP uses
NTFS 3.1.

The NTFS version for XP is 5.1. Win2K was NTFS 5. NT4 was NTFS 1.1 or
commonly called NTFS 4.




Also, fragmentation level is determined by usage &

 

[R. McCarty]

Please see the following:
http://www.ntfs.com/quest1.htm

 

[Prabhat]

Hi,

Good Link.

I have sen the Link: http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm

There it is Mentioned that the :
NTFS Performance is Low on small volumes and High on Large Volumns.
But FAT32 Performance is is High on small volumes and Low on Large Volumns.

But what is that Volumn Size?

I have a 80 GB GDD - 7200 RPM with Partition of 14 GB Each. SO Shaould I Go
for NTFS, And Will NTFS will Perform GOOD on that Partition?

Thanks
Prabhat

 

[R. McCarty]

NTFS is Windows XP's native disk format. It offers a number of
advantages over FAT32. The speed differential between them is
very small. I would say that NTFS would be worth the conversion.
But, with any disk modification, I would do a Chkdsk on all first,
even though the conversion itself will do a cursory disk check.
You'll want to be sure to avoid ending up with 512 Kbyte clusters.
Do a Google for "NTFS Conversion 512" and you'll find plenty of
tech notes on the potential issue.
Also, if you are interested in "Fine Tuning" your drives, I would
recommend you investigate Raxco's Perfect Disk 2000, Version 6.
With Offline and GUI Defrag it certainly optimizes performance &
integrates nicely with Prefetch/Layout.
They have a 30-Day free, but fully functional trial at:
http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/perfectdisk2000_download.cfm
Spend a few minutes reading the Help on setup and configuration.
Product cost is ~$45.00.

 

[Prabhat]

Hi,

If I will Perform a Clean Install of XP, And During that If I will format My
C: Partition to NTFS, Then Will that Benifit then Converting that Partition?
(I Dont have ant thing in C

And How Do I Get NTFS5 ? Do I get that If I will do Clean Install of XP with
NTFS Format?

And Reg the Raxco's Perfect Disk, I Got the "Diskeeper" of "Executive
Software". Is the your Reference is Better then This?

Thanks
Prabhat

 

[Prabhat]

Hi,

The Link is working, But the EXE Link in that Page does not WORK.

http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/perfectdisk2000_download.cfm

Thanks for this Link
Prabhat

 

[R. McCarty]

Opps, Sorry about that - Try this one instead:
http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/

 

[Prabhat]

Hi,

How Do I Get NTFS5 ? Do I get that If I will do Clean Install of XP with
NTFS Format?

Thanks
Prabhat