XP computer appears on Vista network, but I can't access it !?


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Guest

My desktop computer appears on the network map on my notebook, but I can't
access any files or printers.

Here is a few notes:
- desktop computer is running Windows XP SP2, notebook is Vista home premium
- I installed "Link-Layer Topology Discovery Responder" LLTD protocol on my
desktop
- both computers share the same workgroup and have different computer names
- file and printer sharing is enabled, network discovery is on
- windows firewall is off and I disabled Norton 360 temporarily

Please help me!
 
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Steve Winograd [MVP]

My desktop computer appears on the network map on my notebook, but I can't
access any files or printers.

Here is a few notes:
- desktop computer is running Windows XP SP2, notebook is Vista home premium
- I installed "Link-Layer Topology Discovery Responder" LLTD protocol on my
desktop
- both computers share the same workgroup and have different computer names
- file and printer sharing is enabled, network discovery is on
- windows firewall is off and I disabled Norton 360 temporarily

Please help me!

How are you trying to access the desktop's files and printers?

What exactly happens why you do it?

Have you gone to the Network and Sharing Center and made the right
settings for file and printer sharing?
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Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
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Guest

in Network and Sharing Center > View full map, I see an icon with the name of
my desktop computer and nothing happens when I click on it.

-I'm using TCP/IPv4
-The network is set to private
 
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Guest

same here for me.....the only way that i see my desktop computer running xp
pro sp2 on the network is if i click on "View full map".....but when i click
on the icon of my desktop, nothing happens.....my network is set to private
network, network discovery is on, file sharing is on, basically sharing and
discovery is on....

please help
 
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Guest

Possible work-around . . .

This is the first time I have posted, and I am not a high-tech guy, but I
have all the same issues, and I've made a few observations I haven't seen on
any discussion group. I'll apologize in advance for running on a little.

My setup includes 2 wired desktops (XP SP2) and a new wireless laptop (VISTA
Home Prem) behind a Linksys router. I've done all the things I know to make
them talk to one another: manually set IP/DNS addresses, workgroup/computer
names, user accounts, permissions all around, firewall, etc.. The result is,
everything works SOMETIMES. It's always a surprise as to which PC's will be
visible where.

So here's the twist (work-around). In one of my network's more lucid
moments, I went to each desktop and created a shortcut to one of the folders
I had shared manually. While sitting at each desktop, I moved the shortcuts
to the Public folder on my laptop. Now, even though I cannot see the
desktops on the VISTA network display, I can access the files on the desktops
by using the shortcuts.

Here's another observation. This morning, I can see one of the two desktops
in the VISTA network display (today's surprise). I opened a Word document on
the "invisible" PC using the shortcut I created yesterday. Now (GET THIS),
when I return to the VISTA network display, I still can't see the invisible
PC in the right (detail) pane, but it is now present in the left pane. If
anybody wants to see this, I did a print screen and saved the image to a
Worddoc.

So, after a lot of self-doubt, frustration, and reading on-line, I'm
starting to think this may not be a bunch of user errors popping up all over
the internet. Any ideas, or something I'm missing?
 
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Guest

You can add another frustrated user to your group. I just set up a new Vista
Home Premium machine. I had my home network running fine before with an XP
Pro and a Win 98 machine, which I replaced with the Vista. Have spent
countless hours on it and the best result so far is: The network mapping on
the Vista machine shows the XP machine, but I can't access it, nor does it
show up if I select "view computers and devices" in Vista. I CAN see and
access the Vista machine from the XP machine. I can't believe Microsoft
would make this so hard! I mean all I am trying to do is network two fairly
new machines running their newest software! Terrible!
 
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Guest

I did everything by the book and it still doesn't work!

There is a software called NetWorkMagic which should eliminate all network
and sharing problems. Do you know anything about it?

I am going to download the trial version and see if it helps.

check it out! http://www.networkmagic.com/
 
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Guest

Looking at the software site it appears that the free version is only good
for 30 days. This may be a dumb question but if I use this will I be able to
access the folders on other computers aftyer 30 days. Also it seems
rediculous in the extreme to have to down load third party software to do
somwething this simple. I have been working on this all day and have come to
the same place as all of you. It seems that Microsoft and possibly some of
the gurus should have an easy answer for this problem. I appreciate any help
that can be provided.
 
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Guest

Hello all.

for your problem i've some issue wich work on my network. to access computer
on my network on vista i don't need to click on view fullmap. cause this
option or this link is only a view. you cannot access on your computer only
by a view. to get connectto the other computer of you computer go to
start-->network
In this windows you'll see all your network computer and can access to all
of them.
ths computers are display without any map like on windows XP.

retain this the link "view network map" is only a view and not a point of
access

regards
 
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Guest

Add another upset Vista owner to the list!!!

I have the exact same config as everyone listed here: 1 XP and 1 Vista
system..I can see the XP PC in Vista's Network Map but cannot for the life of
me figure out how to access it...Winodws 98 was easier to figure out!

And I configure Cisco routers and switches for a living!

Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves....of course, they probably don't
care as they're getting the revenue anyway...

Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
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Guest

I understand that the "Network View" is only a view can isn't where you would
config the networking but what I think the problem most of us are having is
that we CANNOT see our networked (ie: XP) PC's in the "start ->Network" area.
It only shows my Vista system.

LLTD has been installed and turned on on all systems
file sharing on all systems in on
all firewalls are off (which is ridiculous)
both PC's can ping each other fine

....and still my XP system cannot be networked w/ my Vista PC....

This is the most unreal issue....either we are missing something very
obvious or Microsoft has made a complete piece of crap OS
 
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LoneStar

JimNH said:
Add another upset Vista owner to the list!!!

I have the exact same config as everyone listed here: 1 XP and 1 Vista
system..I can see the XP PC in Vista's Network Map but cannot for the life
of
me figure out how to access it...Winodws 98 was easier to figure out!

And I configure Cisco routers and switches for a living!

Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves....of course, they probably
don't
care as they're getting the revenue anyway...

I'm sorry that I can't help, but I must add my woes. On my Vista network
map, I can see only the Vista, the router, and the Internet. When I select
View All Network Locations (or something like that) I can see my XP computer
(which is shared) but it's on the BOTTOM of the screen -- sort of like a bad
step-child. I can't figure out how to get it on the main map! Perhaps
after I do, I can actually share the folders I've marked for sharing.

I'm with you. Networking was a breeze with Windows ME, 2000, and XP. No
problems. With Vista, it's horrible. The pros will give you links and more
links to read, give good sounding advice, mess with the registry, etc., etc.
It usually never works out. The only solution is to put everything in the
Public folder, then share.

Anyway, good luck on your network map. Thanks for letting me whine.
Unfortunately, I don't think Microsoft will "fix" this network scenario to
work like ME and XP does.

EW
 
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Guest

Check this guys....to solve the obvious Vista Wireless to XP wired
network...I worked my butt off to figure it out and after reading all this
and having my Tech buddy help out ...the only thing that could give full
access and freedom on the network is to use a small easy to use Network
utility called Network Magic. Make sure to find a full version or it only
lasts 30 days....after the full version is installed the beauty of it is that
it does all the work for you. Just fill out the info accordingly and your
set...any problems using Network Magic...thats your own deal buddy!
 
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Guest

this is crazy, this seems to be a mojor problem but it is not being sorted
out. nearly every post is about this problem.
I can see other vista machines on the network, i can access the internet
through the network but i cannot see any other machines, printers etc. I have
a system running all xp machines in my workplace but now have 2 laptops with
vista and must be able to use them,...
i have spent the whole day working on this bloody thing, i have a degree in
computers, i have worked in computers for the last few years, i have run
novell networks and i have never seen such rubbish as this in my life..
i am another unhappy vista owner...
 
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Guest

Add another frustrated user to the bunch. I wish I had read this before I
bought my laptop on yesterday. I have a desktop and laptop currently running
on XP and the new one running on vista. At least you guys can see your XP
machine(s). I can't, I can see my network (using Linksys router). I work
with networks at work and home and this is driving me CRAZY!!!
 
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LoneStar

Kennyboo said:
Add another frustrated user to the bunch. I wish I had read this before I
bought my laptop on yesterday. I have a desktop and laptop currently
running
on XP and the new one running on vista. At least you guys can see your XP
machine(s). I can't, I can see my network (using Linksys router). I work
with networks at work and home and this is driving me CRAZY!!!

Ditto! And what's driving me crazy -- further -- is that I doubt MS will
fix this networking fiasco. I never had networking problems, from the days
of Win 95 up to XP. But Vista simply refuses to let my XP machine look at
its "shared" folders. And I also have much experience with networks, etc.

OK, I fell better. Thanks

EW
 
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Guest

yes thank god I'm not the only one. Same set up vista on laptop xp on pc ,
pc shows on network map but not on network page. microsoft sight no help at
all. Phoned up told to contact computer manufacturer who of course suggested
it was a software problem
 
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Caz & Andy

Hi,

The problem is that XP is missing the extra file... There is now a download
from microsoft.... This is

Network Map Does Not Display Computers Running Windows XP
When you run Network Map in Windows Vista®, computers that are running
Microsoft Windows® XP do not appear on the completed diagram.

Cause
Network Map in Windows Vista diagrams the connections between network
devices to help you troubleshoot connectivity problems. Network Map uses a
discovery protocol called Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) in order to
query the other devices on the network to determine how the network is
organized. Computers that are running Windows Vista include the software
components that implement the LLTD protocol. For network computers that are
running Windows XP to appear on the map, they must have a discovery protocol
enabled that can respond to the mapping computer's requests.

Solution on Windows XP
For computers running Windows XP to appear on the Network Map diagram, you
must download and install the LLTD Responder component. By installing the
LLTD Responder, and enabling File and Printer Sharing in Windows Firewall, a
computer running Windows XP can respond to other Windows Vista computers on
the network that are attempting to create a network map.

The following procedures are performed on a computer running Windows XP.

To install the LLTD Responder onto a computer running Windows XP

1. Download the update for Windows XP from
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=70582

2. Run the update on the computer running Windows XP that you want to
appear on the Network Map.

3. On the Software Update Installation Wizard, click Next.

4. On the License Agreement page, read the license agreement, and if you
agree to the terms, click I Agree, and then click Next.

5. On the final page of the wizard, click Finish.

6. If you are prompted to do so, restart your computer.



You can verify that the LLTD Responder is successfully installed and
running.

To verify the LLTD Responder is installed and running

1. On a computer running Windows XP click Start, click Control Panel, and
then click Network Connections.

2. Click Local Area Network Connection, click Properties, and then view the
list of items used by the network connection.

3. Ensure that the Link-Layer Topology Discovery Responder check box is
selected.



Prior to generating a new Network Map in Windows Vista you must ensure that
Print and File Sharing is excluded from Windows Firewall filtering.

To exclude File and Printer Sharing from Windows Firewall

1. On a computer running Windows XP, click Start, click Control Panel, and
then click Network Connections.

2. Click Windows Firewall Settings, and then click the Exceptions tab.

3. If necessary, click Edit, and then select the File and Printer Sharing
check box.



Solution on Windows Vista
After performing the procedures in the preceding section, you can generate a
new Network Map for all computers on the network, including those running
Windows XP.

To generate a new Network Map and connect to all network computers

1. On a computer running Windows Vista, perform the following steps to
generate a new Network Map:

• Start Network and Sharing Center.

• On the right side of the Status section, click View full map.


2. Right-click the computer running Windows XP, and then click Open.

3. If connectivity issues persist, perform the following steps:

• Ensure that File and Printer Sharing is excluded from Windows Firewall on
the computer running Windows Vista.

• Consider excluding other services from Windows Firewall on the computer
running Windows Vista.



Regards
Andy
 
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Guest

our problem is not that the xp computer does not appear onnetwork map, on the
contary it appears there but not on the network page. I, like some of the
other posters have installed the lltp but this does not help. I also
installed network magic which worked fine. However this is atrial programme
that runs out in seven days and I will be back to square one. This is
ludicrous, having to go to a third party and pay for something that microsoft
should sort out.
 

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