XNA (an Xbox 2 dev tool) real-time video demo footage

[R420]

http://www.microsoft.com/xna/

no, this is not Xbox 2 exactly. these are real-time tech demos using
XNA, Microsoft's new development / tool / middleware 'thingy' for
building next generation games. (for Xbox 2 and PC) The hardware
being used for those realtime demos is *most likely* the newest ATI
chip, the R420. Although I am not saying it IS R420 for sure.
Microsoft has not announced details on Xbox 2 yet. obviously the next
Xbox is at least 18 months away, if not further away, so it will be
using an ATI graphics chip of at least the R500 generation.

These three real-time demos I linked to are basicly the equivalent of
the real-time demos shown on the then-new Nvidia NV15 (GeForce 2 GTS)
at the March 2000 Xbox announcement conference... you know, the ping
pong demo, the garden demo, and the toy/desk demo. The final Xbox
released in 2001 used a much more powerful graphics chip, the
NV20/25-based NV2A. likewise, these new realtime demos don't show the
graphics power of the next Xbox, only a hint of the direction that
Xbox 2 graphics will be going. The main point of these new demos is to
show off XNA, Microsoft's new development environment thingy, which
goes further than just a new DirectX update.

 

[Rob Berryhill]

http://www.microsoft.com/xna/

IGN has a good interview about XNA as well. They are planning for the
ability to Xbox and PC to play together on Live in some really
interesting ways.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/501/501368p1.html

 

[Mike B]

From what i've read so far, this sounds promising in bringing us the kind of
games that we expect. Some people may think microsoft is evil, but they sure
are striving to succeed in the games industry, and they are making sure
consumers know how hard they are trying. That is a very good thing in my
opinion.

 

[xTenn]

IGN has a good interview about XNA as well. They are planning for the
ability to Xbox and PC to play together on Live in some really
interesting ways.

I have only one comment: About time.

 

[Bob]

Some people may think microsoft is evil,
Correct.

but they sure
are striving to succeed in the games industry,

Striving to take it over like they've taken over other markets.

and they are making sure
consumers know how hard they are trying.

That's marketing.

That is a very good thing in my opinion.

Not in mine. Take heed, monopoly is not good for consumers.

 

[xTenn]

Not in mine. Take heed, monopoly is not good for consumers.

Correct. Which is why I am glad Microsoft is going into the Videogames
business.

 

[msgs]

Some people may think microsoft is evil,

Correct.

-30 million people also voted for Hitler. That doesn't mean they were right.
More people buy Britney Sprears records than mucic by Bach. Does that mean
Britney is a better composer? Usually (almost alway) the big masses are
wrong.

Striving to take it over like they've taken over other markets.

-Hey, people buy what they like and that made MS what it is today.

That's marketing.

-And MS is the only firm doing that?

Not in mine. Take heed, monopoly is not good for consumers.

-Yeah, that's why MS is charging 129$ for each bug fix. No wait, that's
Apple. That's why they stealing ideas from other without any RD. No wait,
that's Linux. That's why MS never gives away any money. No, wait, they give
more to charity than any other company on this planet.

Yeah, they sure are a bad company.

 

[Bob]

Correct. Which is why I am glad Microsoft is going into the Videogames
business.

I'd agree except that MS is known for trying to dominate, not simply
compete. In addition, MS already owns the desktop, is trying to own
the server market (keep your fingers crossed, Linux is gaining), wants
to own your TV set box, your PDA, and a zillion other little pieces
that will result in MS steering technology whereever it wants. MS
wants to control every aspect of your hardware and software life. Take
a look at all they've purchased and are purchasing - it's not healthy
to have once company dominating the electronic/technology industry
like this.

For one peek, take a look at what they have done with the
desktop. They continue to integrate the browser with the OS and the
OS with the browser. Type a URL in the File Explorer and watch a
browser window pop. Their goal is blend the OS and Internet in a
way that you are trapped in their MS controlled world. They are tying
in the applications tightly to that model and soon the OS and the
apps will merge in one homogeneous blob. Unfortunately the Judge
in the US didn't get it.

For another example, note that they are trying to either start their
own search tool, or buy Google. Why, might one ask, would MS want a
search tool ? Because then they can hook it into their browser and
desktop by default. MS will then get 95% of all Internet searches
done with their knowledge. They know who is looking for what. They
know what markets to explore. They know what sells and what they can
sell to that. They prioritize and *control* the search results. 95% of
Windows users will never use any tool except the search tool that will
come on their browser/desktop - from MS. Join the blob.

Not worried yet ? MS collects *all* newsgroup postings, whether they
are marked "no-archive" or not, and is doing analysis on people
posting on the usenet. One might wonder why MS has to conduct
psychoanalysis on usenet posters. Think about it for a while.

Last example: they want to own the PDA, Desktop, cable box, and
entertainment market. The industry is heading towards more integration
of the computer with the home entertainment system, your PDA, your
cell phone, you gaming environment, etc. MS wants to *own* that
market, and you'll live in a nice neat little MS world - yet more
control of what you see, hear, and use courtesy of MS. They control
the market, they direct the standards.

See an example of Steve Ballmer speaking to employees on a video.
Recognize the brainwashing at MS. Talk to some MS people and see it
first hand. Get worried. It's big. It's unstoppable. Fight it while
you can. You've been warned.

 

[Mike]

I'd agree except that MS is known for trying to dominate, not simply
compete. In addition, MS already owns the desktop, is trying to own
the server market (keep your fingers crossed, Linux is gaining), wants
to own your TV set box, your PDA, and a zillion other little pieces
that will result in MS steering technology whereever it wants. MS
wants to control every aspect of your hardware and software life. Take
a look at all they've purchased and are purchasing - it's not healthy
to have once company dominating the electronic/technology industry
like this.

For one peek, take a look at what they have done with the
desktop. They continue to integrate the browser with the OS and the
OS with the browser. Type a URL in the File Explorer and watch a
browser window pop. Their goal is blend the OS and Internet in a
way that you are trapped in their MS controlled world. They are tying
in the applications tightly to that model and soon the OS and the
apps will merge in one homogeneous blob. Unfortunately the Judge
in the US didn't get it.

For another example, note that they are trying to either start their
own search tool, or buy Google. Why, might one ask, would MS want a
search tool ? Because then they can hook it into their browser and
desktop by default. MS will then get 95% of all Internet searches
done with their knowledge. They know who is looking for what. They
know what markets to explore. They know what sells and what they can
sell to that. They prioritize and *control* the search results. 95% of
Windows users will never use any tool except the search tool that will
come on their browser/desktop - from MS. Join the blob.

Not worried yet ? MS collects *all* newsgroup postings, whether they
are marked "no-archive" or not, and is doing analysis on people
posting on the usenet. One might wonder why MS has to conduct
psychoanalysis on usenet posters. Think about it for a while.

Last example: they want to own the PDA, Desktop, cable box, and
entertainment market. The industry is heading towards more integration
of the computer with the home entertainment system, your PDA, your
cell phone, you gaming environment, etc. MS wants to *own* that
market, and you'll live in a nice neat little MS world - yet more
control of what you see, hear, and use courtesy of MS. They control
the market, they direct the standards.

See an example of Steve Ballmer speaking to employees on a video.
Recognize the brainwashing at MS. Talk to some MS people and see it
first hand. Get worried. It's big. It's unstoppable. Fight it while
you can. You've been warned.

i think microsoft is pretty smart for doing these things. by having seperate
products in all those different fields it allows for even more vigerous
testing. take a look at their wireless gaming adapter, for instance. I've
never used one myself but from what i gather from these newsgroups it works
flawlessly compared to the DLink or Linksys versions.

in addition, why would any company who has the means to do these things not
want to? it makes logical sense. more divisions of a company = more income.

also, i dont disagree at all with IE incorperation into windows. it is still
very easy to use another default web browser than IE - and if you dont like
its incorperation with things like explorer - dont use windows. it doesnt
conflict with normal use at all... but can easily make things more convient.

mike

 

[xTenn]

I'd agree except that MS is known for trying to dominate, not simply
compete.

<snip of the painfully obvious>

So is Microsoft giving the Sony monopoly on gaming a good tumble a good
thing or not? Don't forget the overwhelming sprawl Sony has on motion
pictures. It was looking like Sony was on course to own your
entertainment...

I can't see it as anything but a good thing for the consumer, anti-MS
propaganda jack's ramblings aside.

 

[Dr Richard Cranium]

what IS the prob with Microsoft gma ? gma = global monetary ambitions

the phone company was a fed gov sponsored "monopoly" from the day the acid was spilt.
Bill's Lawyers are tougher than the phone companies were when the fed gov trashed the
phone company in favor of more competition (= more tax revenue). Bill was accidentally
handed this mega dollar corporation - his ambitions were/are not based on "blood lust".
The fed gov when through with the rapid advancement one large Microsoft company can make
and propel us all into the computer age following one idea/scheme/path vision they will
simply "trash" Microsoft. And turn the computer software industry back over to the people
(so to speak) any mollycoddling from the DOJ is surely only because the fed gov
(politically) feels we all still have something to learn/benefit/progress from -
Microsoft's dragging everyone kicking and screaming into a standardized computer
environment, and a stable one i might add.
if you really think about it and specifically - most of those third party software
programs were buggy, crashed, and a result of lazy coding. I for one do not wish to go
back to those days. I guess i "sold into" the Microsoft idea, however; by the same
token - i do not put trash programs on my PC's - solid software bubbles up to the top -
and duh - it appears to have the Microsoft label.

I agree with the EU. Microsoft should go for it and produce the product they want. Hell,
nothing like a living crashing example the EU will sell us back. I am not so bitter,
really - I look at my desktop - goldwave - musicmatch 8.2 - stomp - ad-aware - mcafees -
hex workshop - creative - razorlame - irview - Micrografx - InterActual - PowerDVD - some
of the few that do it better than Microsoft. So whom might be the criers ? second rate
goofsters than want to sell you anything - because you would buy it ? maybe.

oh hell, i just bought a canary yellow playstation 2 - not an x-box - simply because the
software is only available for the x-box - what is that called ? a lucrative deal Sony
made with square. who is john galt.

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: On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:26:06 GMT, "Mike"
:
: >in addition, why would any company who has the means to do these things not
: >want to? it makes logical sense. more divisions of a company = more income.
:
: Of course they do. However, we're supposed to enforce the anti-trust
: laws which allow one company to dominate a marketplace and therefore
: control and define it. Yes, there *are* laws against this... the
: Justice Dept just wimped on enforcing them for political reasons.
:
: >also, i dont disagree at all with IE incorperation into windows. it is still
: >very easy to use another default web browser than IE - and if you dont like
: >its incorperation with things like explorer - dont use windows. it doesnt
: >conflict with normal use at all... but can easily make things more convient.
:
: You've hit the nail on the head, even though you didn't know it. Their
: goal is to make everything so "convenient" that they average user -
: one who doesn't typically install software - simply uses the MS
: defined environment. Use the MS browser and MS can define the
: world of browsing. Use the MS search tool and MS defines the world's
: search results. Use this MS application that integrates so nicely
: with the MS servers, MS Office applications, MS network applications,
: MS Training, ME Certification, MS defined hardware,
:
: You may want Bill Gates's global monetary ambitions to define the
: direction of software, hardware, Internet, and the evolution of
: electronics - I don't.




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[Bob]

So is Microsoft giving the Sony monopoly on gaming a good tumble a good
thing or not? Don't forget the overwhelming sprawl Sony has on motion
pictures. It was looking like Sony was on course to own your
entertainment...

....and watch it unfold. I don't expect that we'll have more than two
or three players left in entertainment. I expect MS to be a major
player with one of them.

I can't see it as anything but a good thing for the consumer, anti-MS
propaganda jack's ramblings aside.

I agree that competition is good for the consumer. But, MS is not
competition, MS is "out of the frying pan and into the fire".

 

[Bob]

in addition, why would any company who has the means to do these things not
want to? it makes logical sense. more divisions of a company = more income.

Of course they do. However, we're supposed to enforce the anti-trust
laws which allow one company to dominate a marketplace and therefore
control and define it. Yes, there *are* laws against this... the
Justice Dept just wimped on enforcing them for political reasons.

also, i dont disagree at all with IE incorperation into windows. it is still
very easy to use another default web browser than IE - and if you dont like
its incorperation with things like explorer - dont use windows. it doesnt
conflict with normal use at all... but can easily make things more convient.

You've hit the nail on the head, even though you didn't know it. Their
goal is to make everything so "convenient" that they average user -
one who doesn't typically install software - simply uses the MS
defined environment. Use the MS browser and MS can define the
world of browsing. Use the MS search tool and MS defines the world's
search results. Use this MS application that integrates so nicely
with the MS servers, MS Office applications, MS network applications,
MS Training, ME Certification, MS defined hardware,

You may want Bill Gates's global monetary ambitions to define the
direction of software, hardware, Internet, and the evolution of
electronics - I don't.

 

[Mike]

income.

Of course they do. However, we're supposed to enforce the anti-trust
laws which allow one company to dominate a marketplace and therefore
control and define it. Yes, there *are* laws against this... the
Justice Dept just wimped on enforcing them for political reasons.
convient.

You've hit the nail on the head, even though you didn't know it. Their
goal is to make everything so "convenient" that they average user -
one who doesn't typically install software - simply uses the MS
defined environment. Use the MS browser and MS can define the
world of browsing. Use the MS search tool and MS defines the world's
search results. Use this MS application that integrates so nicely
with the MS servers, MS Office applications, MS network applications,
MS Training, ME Certification, MS defined hardware,

You may want Bill Gates's global monetary ambitions to define the
direction of software, hardware, Internet, and the evolution of
electronics - I don't.

good points! the fact is though, most people are exactly what you said -
average users. i think thats the one and only reason they have done so
well... they build their products around the intrests of the average user. I
think the anti-trust case in america was a little over board though. from
what i understand about the case in europe, all microst would have to do is
release a version of windows stripped of its media player and build-ins, and
release the windows OS code, correct me if im wrong. im hoping that MS
doesnt win this time. i think it will be good for competition and give me,
that average user, a few more choices.

mike